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DATE 2009-01-11
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Isreal and Gaza
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:59:16 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Isreal and Gaza
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Commentary on the Israel-Hamas war has tended toward partisan pleading,
making the moral case for or against Israel. That's a crucial debate but
not the only one; there's also a need for a cool strategic assessment:
Who is winning, who is losing?

Hillel Frisch argues that Hamas (which he calls "a small isolated
movement that controls a small strip") has "grossly miscalculated" by
antagonizing the Egyptian government and making war on Israel. He
concludes that Hamas has embarked on "strategic suicide."

Perhaps, but scenarios exist in which Hamas gains.

Khaled Abu Toameh notes the powerful and growing support for Hamas
around the Middle East. Caroline Glick notes two ways Hamas wins: a
return to the status quo ante, with Hamas still in charge of Gaza, or a
cease-fire agreement whereby foreign powers form an international
monitoring regime to oversee Gaza's borders with Israel and Egypt.

As this suggests, an assessment of Hamas's war record depends primarily
on decisions made in Jerusalem. Those decisions being the real issue,
how well has Israel's leadership performed?

Disastrously. Jerusalem's profound strategic incompetence continues and
heightens the failed policies since 1993 that have eroded its
reputation, strategic advantage and security. Four main reasons lead me
to this negative conclusion.

FIRST, THE team in charge in Jerusalem created the Gaza problem. Its
leader, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, immortally explained in 2005 the
forthcoming unilateral withdrawal from Gaza: "We are tired of fighting,
we are tired of being courageous, we are tired of winning, we are tired
of defeating our enemies." Olmert had a vital role in (1) initiating the
Gaza withdrawal, which ended the IDF's close control of the territory,
and (2) giving up control over the Gaza-Egypt border. This latter,
little noted decision, enabled Hamas to build tunnels from Egypt,
smuggle in matériel and launch missiles.

Secondly, Olmert and his colleagues failed to respond to the barrage of
rockets and mortar shells. From the withdrawal in 2005 until now, Hamas
has launched more than 6,500 missiles. Incredibly, Israelis endured
nearly eight attacks a day for three years; why? A responsible
government would have responded to the first rocket as a casus belli and
immediately responded.

Thirdly, a committee of the French parliament published an important
technical report in mid-December, establishing that "there is no longer
doubt" about the military purposes of the Iranian nuclear program, and
that it will be up and running in two to three years.

The waning days of the Bush administration, with the current president
nearly out the door and the president-elect still in the wings, offers a
unique moment to take care of business. Why did Olmert squander this
opportunity to confront the relatively trivial danger Hamas presents
rather than the existential threat of Iran's nuclear program? This
negligence has potentially dire repercussions.

FINALLY, FROM what one can discern of the Olmert government's goal in
its war on Hamas, it seems to be to weaken Hamas and strengthen Fatah so
that Mahmoud Abbas can retake control of Gaza and restart diplomacy with
Israel. Michael B. Oren and Yossi Klein Halevi captured this idea in a
recent article titled: "Palestinians need Israel to win: If Hamas gets
away with terror once again, the peace process will be over."

Bitter experience, however, invalidates this thesis. For one, Fatah has
proven itself a determined enemy intent on eliminating the Jewish state.
For another, Palestinians themselves repudiated Fatah in 2006 elections.
It strains credulity that anyone could still think of Fatah as a
"partner for peace." Rather, Jerusalem should think creatively of other
scenarios, perhaps my "no-state solution" bringing in the Jordanian and
Egyptian governments.

More dismaying even than Olmert's ineptitude is that the Israeli
election a month from now pits three leaders of his same ilk. Two of
them (Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Defense Minister Ehud Barak)
currently serve as his main lieutenants, while two (Barak and Binyamin
Netanyahu) failed badly in their prior prime ministerial stints.

Looking beyond Olmert and his potential successors comes the worst news
of all, namely that no one at the upper echelons of Israel's political
life articulates the imperative for victory. For this reason, I see
Israel as a lost polity, one full of talent, energy and resolve, but
lacking direction.

The writer is director of the Middle East Forum and Taube distinguished
visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University.
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http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

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  91. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY |
  92. 2009-01-29 From: "Beau Gould" <bg-at-capitalmarketsp.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY | 70-100k
  93. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  94. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  95. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  96. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  97. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  98. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Brooklyn + Jelly Talks! this Friday, 1/30]
  99. 2009-01-30 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  100. 2009-01-30 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY |
  101. 2009-01-30 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  102. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  103. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY |
  104. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  105. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  106. 2009-01-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  107. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  108. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  109. 2009-01-30 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] news groups urge court webcast in music case
  110. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] news groups urge court webcast in music case
  111. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  112. 2009-01-31 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  113. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  114. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  115. 2009-01-31 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  116. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  117. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  118. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [isoc-ny] NYC Community Fiber Project]
  119. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  120. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  121. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  122. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  123. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  124. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  125. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  126. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects

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