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DATE 2009-01-21
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] and you wonder why we have problems
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I a countrty where Dutch Artist, teddy vanGough was stabbed to death on
the streets of Amsterdamn with a note that said "this is what happens to
enemies of the Koran" ... we get this....

Islam film Dutch MP to be charged

A Dutch court has ordered prosecutors to put a right-wing politician on
trial for making anti-Islamic statements.

Freedom Party leader Geert Wilders made a controversial film last year
equating Islam with violence and has likened the Koran to Adolf Hitler's
Mein Kampf.

"In a democratic system, hate speech is considered so serious that it is
in the general interest to... draw a clear line," the court in Amsterdam
said.

Mr Wilders said the ruling was a "black day for me and for freedom of
speech".

"I am shaken. I had absolutely not expected it," he told the Dutch news
agency, ANP.

'Fascist book'

In March 2008, Mr Winders posted a film about the Koran on the internet.

The opening scenes of Fitna - a Koranic term sometimes translated as
"strife" - show a copy of the holy book followed by footage of the bomb
attacks on the US in 11 September 2001, London in July 2005 and Madrid
in March 2004.

Pictures appearing to show Muslim demonstrators holding up placards
saying "God bless Hitler" and "Freedom go to hell" also feature.

The film ends with the statement: "Stop Islamisation. Defend our
freedom."

Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said at the time that the film
wrongly equated Islam with violence and served "no purpose other than to
offend".

When asked about the impact of his film, Mr Wilders said: "It's not the
aim of the movie but people might be offended, I know that. So, what the
hell? It's their problem, not my problem".

He also once wrote in a national newspaper: "I've had enough of the
Koran in the Netherlands: Forbid that fascist book."

Mr Wilders has had police protection since Dutch director Theo Van Gogh
was killed by a radical Islamist in 2004.

Correspondents say his Freedom Party (PVV), which has nine MPs in the
lower house of parliament, has built its popularity largely by tapping
into the fear and resentment of Muslim immigrants.

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http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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  93. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  94. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  95. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  96. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  97. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
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  102. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  103. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY |
  104. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  105. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  106. 2009-01-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  107. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  108. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  109. 2009-01-30 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] news groups urge court webcast in music case
  110. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] news groups urge court webcast in music case
  111. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  112. 2009-01-31 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  113. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  114. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  115. 2009-01-31 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  116. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  117. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  118. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [isoc-ny] NYC Community Fiber Project]
  119. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  120. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  121. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  122. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  123. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  124. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  125. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  126. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects

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