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DATE 2009-01-31
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 03:40:55PM -0500, Ron Guerin wrote:
> Ruben Safir wrote:
> > Ronny Abraham wrote:
>
> >> 3(a). My gut says it's probably better to go with QT, as that lends
> >> itself more to platform independence. While GTK is also available on
> >> windows and mac, it's a bit more of a hassle to set up.
>
> I can't speak for Mac, but it's about 5 clicks to install GTK on
> Windows, all on "Next" and "Ok" buttons. I've done Qt on Windows also,
> and it's pretty much the same thing.
>
> > That, is not a good idea. The developers are OK, the non-free OSes are
> > a dead end.
>
> Cross-platform apps are very helpful in achieving the goal of getting
> them off those platforms.
>
> > We don't help people develope applications on non-free systems.
>
> You're overlooking that cross-plaform code is one way to increase the
> use of Free Software. I know many whose first exposure to Free Software
> was on Windows. Me included. Back in the day, I was a GNU AWK and
> MicroEmacs user on PCDOS. The development of Free Software that widens
> the front should not be discouraged. He's not talking about focusing on
> developing software for non-free platforms, he's just talking about
> developing software that *can* run on them. An objection to the first
> is understandable, an objection to the second I find counter-productive
> unless you're planning on delivering the "Killer App for Linux" that
> makes Microsoft and Apple users throw out their systems.
>


BTW - I've been talking about just this for years...

World Vista is a great example of such an application Also see See Linux Format
(UK), October 2008, "25 Killer Apps". Where the heck is Donahue when I
need him.

> >> 4. I suspect this will be a learning experience both for myself and
> >> anyone who works with me on this, as I am familiar with neither QT or
> >> C++, or GTK and C#.
>
> C# (Moonlight?!) is the preferred development environment for GTK?
> That's a typo, right?
>
> - Ron

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  2. 2009-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Spreading Free Software through Life Style
  3. 2009-01-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Billionaire Suicides on the rise
  4. 2009-01-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Billionaire Suicides on the rise
  5. 2009-01-06 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Billionaire Suicides on the rise
  6. 2009-01-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Billionaire Suicides on the rise
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  9. 2009-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Spreading Free Software through Life Style
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  15. 2009-01-15 Mark Halegua <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Prisoner Died today...
  16. 2009-01-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And what about Ricardo =?utf-8?q?Montalb=C3=A1n=3F?=
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  19. 2009-01-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And what about Ricardo
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  46. 2009-01-18 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy?
  47. 2009-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy? The latest & greatest please.
  48. 2009-01-18 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy?
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  74. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  75. 2009-01-28 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  76. 2009-01-29 Mark Halegua <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  77. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  78. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  79. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  80. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  81. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  82. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  83. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  84. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  85. 2009-01-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  86. 2009-01-29 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  87. 2009-01-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  88. 2009-01-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
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  92. 2009-01-29 From: "Beau Gould" <bg-at-capitalmarketsp.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY | 70-100k
  93. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  94. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  95. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  96. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  97. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  98. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Brooklyn + Jelly Talks! this Friday, 1/30]
  99. 2009-01-30 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  100. 2009-01-30 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY |
  101. 2009-01-30 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  102. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  103. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY |
  104. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  105. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  106. 2009-01-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  107. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  108. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  109. 2009-01-30 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] news groups urge court webcast in music case
  110. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] news groups urge court webcast in music case
  111. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  112. 2009-01-31 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  113. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  114. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  115. 2009-01-31 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  116. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  117. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  118. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [isoc-ny] NYC Community Fiber Project]
  119. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  120. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  121. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  122. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  123. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  124. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  125. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  126. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects

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