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| DATE | 2009-01-30 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
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Ronny Abraham wrote:
> Ruben, I don't understand why you seem to be taking such an aggressive
> tone. My statement was made in a kind manner.
>
>
sigh... I'm not being aggressive. You'll know when I'm being agressive
because I'll be up your sleave and had swallowed half your arm. I being
positive, and I'm positive that you have the know how, intellegence and
drive to kick this off the ground and make it a success.
> I would have given the specifics, but it seemed arrogant to do so if
> there is no interest.
>
>
Interest comes with success, one babystep at a time :)
did you see the smiley emotionicon :) :)
> In any case, I am happy to provide some ideas.
>
> 1. We can either use QT or GTK.
>
> 2(a) . If we use QT, we should probably stick with C++, as this is the
> standard language that is used with the toolkit
> 2(b). If we use GTK, we should similarly use C#
>
> 3(a). My gut says it's probably better to go with QT, as that lends
> itself more to platform independence. While GTK is also available on
> windows and mac, it's a bit more of a hassle to set up.
>
>
For me, I'm not interested in setting up anything on any non-free
platforms. Actually, that can be considered policy and has been NYLXS
policy since 2001.
> 3(b). Some might question the value of focusing on platform
> independence. After all, this is New York LINUX society.
> Nevertheless, I believe that this would open up such a project to
> developers who are not necessarily linux users. What's more, I am
> hoping this will be of greater benefit to more people.
>
>
That, is not a good idea. The developers are OK, the non-free OSes are
a dead end. We don't help people develope applications on non-free systems.
> 3(c). Furthermore, it's easier to showcase this project off to an
> employer or colleague if it can work on anything. Altruism is good,
> but I'd like for myself and anyone working on this to also gain
> respect from peers for it.
>
> 3(d). QT is a valuable commercial skill. Knowing how to use this
> library with C++ can give helpful experience. On the other hand,
> while I don't know too many people that rely on GTK,
FWIW - I had a 6 figure GTK C++ job offer about 3 weeks ago. But I want
to make this as understandable as possible, we are never interested in
the least bit in helping people develop anything on a non-free OS. We
promote only the use of Free Software and the development of Free
Software On Free Software.
FWIW - anything else is suicide for the Free Software developers, aside
from the fact that non-free software is crippled compared to Free
Software on X11. So don't mix things up. We just had this whole
conversation about Apple.
> I do know PLENTY
> of people that use C#. So I can hear the GTK route. It's also
> probably easier to maintain for a windows environment.
We don't know anything about Windows. We don't teach Windows.
> And as I
> pointed out above, I think that's important.
>
> 4. I suspect this will be a learning experience both for myself and
> anyone who works with me on this, as I am familiar with neither QT or
> C++, or GTK and C#.
>
> 5. Ultimately my goal is to produce something that looks similar to
> Omnioutliner. Not at the same level of functionality, but good enough
> that it can be worth using for someone who needs a quick and handy
> outliner program.
>
> 6. I'd expect about 3-4 hours a week of work. Which will have to be
> divided up into the following tasks
>
> 6a. Developing
> 6b. Maintaining the code base
> 6c. Maintaining the docs
> 6d. Creating and maintaining a site describing the project
> 6e. Coming up with nifty ideas.
>
>
> Well, that's all I can come up with as a first step.
>
> Tameek, my email is ronny.coder-at-gmail.com, I'd be more than happy to
> continue discussing this with you if you like.
>
>
Can we keep this on the mailing list so people can see it in the archive
and chose to become more involved as you accomplish more?
> -ron
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
>
>> No the ball is in YOUR court. What specifically would you propose to do and
>> who do you want to help you.
>>
>> Ruben
>>
>>
>
>
Its a good first step. Michael, I think you should help him get this
ball rolling.
Ruben
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