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From: Ruben Safir
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Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
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Ronny Abraham wrote:
> Ruben, I don't understand why you seem to be taking such an aggressive
> tone. My statement was made in a kind manner.
sigh... I'm not being aggressive. You'll know when I'm being agressive
because I'll be up your sleave and had swallowed half your arm. I being
positive, and I'm positive that you have the know how, intellegence and
drive to kick this off the ground and make it a success.
> I would have given the specifics, but it seemed arrogant to do so if
> there is no interest.
Interest comes with success, one babystep at a time :)
did you see the smiley emotionicon :) :)
> In any case, I am happy to provide some ideas.
> 1. We can either use QT or GTK.
> 2(a) . If we use QT, we should probably stick with C++, as this is the
> standard language that is used with the toolkit
> 2(b). If we use GTK, we should similarly use C#
> 3(a). My gut says it's probably better to go with QT, as that lends
> itself more to platform independence. While GTK is also available on
> windows and mac, it's a bit more of a hassle to set up.
For me, I'm not interested in setting up anything on any non-free
platforms. Actually, that can be considered policy and has been NYLXS
policy since 2001.
> 3(b). Some might question the value of focusing on platform
> independence. After all, this is New York LINUX society.
> Nevertheless, I believe that this would open up such a project to
> developers who are not necessarily linux users. What's more, I am
> hoping this will be of greater benefit to more people.
That, is not a good idea. The developers are OK, the non-free OSes are
a dead end. We don't help people develope applications on non-free systems.
> 3(c). Furthermore, it's easier to showcase this project off to an
> employer or colleague if it can work on anything. Altruism is good,
> but I'd like for myself and anyone working on this to also gain
> respect from peers for it.
> 3(d). QT is a valuable commercial skill. Knowing how to use this
> library with C++ can give helpful experience. On the other hand,
> while I don't know too many people that rely on GTK,
FWIW - I had a 6 figure GTK C++ job offer about 3 weeks ago. But I want
to make this as understandable as possible, we are never interested in
the least bit in helping people develop anything on a non-free OS. We
promote only the use of Free Software and the development of Free
Software On Free Software.
FWIW - anything else is suicide for the Free Software developers, aside
from the fact that non-free software is crippled compared to Free
Software on X11. So don't mix things up. We just had this whole
conversation about Apple.
> I do know PLENTY
> of people that use C#. So I can hear the GTK route. It's also
> probably easier to maintain for a windows environment.
We don't know anything about Windows. We don't teach Windows.
> And as I
> pointed out above, I think that's important.
> 4. I suspect this will be a learning experience both for myself and
> anyone who works with me on this, as I am familiar with neither QT or
> C++, or GTK and C#.
> 5. Ultimately my goal is to produce something that looks similar to
> Omnioutliner. Not at the same level of functionality, but good enough
> that it can be worth using for someone who needs a quick and handy
> outliner program.
> 6. I'd expect about 3-4 hours a week of work. Which will have to be
> divided up into the following tasks
> 6a. Developing
> 6b. Maintaining the code base
> 6c. Maintaining the docs
> 6d. Creating and maintaining a site describing the project
> 6e. Coming up with nifty ideas.
> Well, that's all I can come up with as a first step.
> Tameek, my email is ronny.coder-at-gmail.com, I'd be more than happy to
> continue discussing this with you if you like.
Can we keep this on the mailing list so people can see it in the archive
and chose to become more involved as you accomplish more?
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>> No the ball is in YOUR court. What specifically would you propose to do and
>> who do you want to help you.
Its a good first step. Michael, I think you should help him get this