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DATE 2009-01-29
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
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Ron Guerin wrote:
> Ronny Abraham wrote:
>
>> I solved the main problem of libxml2, but I still want to get away
>> from OSX - I don't feel like going through this kind of configuration
>> hell again.
>>
>
> When someone says this, they tend to come off sounding like a basher
> because of Apple's legendary ease of use, blah blah blah.
>
> But I saw someone setting up a new Macbook recently, and while the
> library of HOWTO videos it comes with is indeed impressive, and
> something I've since been telling people I wish we had, the fact of the
> matter is the video I saw was on setting up Apache/PHP/MySQL on OS X,
> and any modern Linux does a far superior job of setting that up than
> Apple does. A video that talks you through the entire manual process
> including creating icons in the control panel thingy is still an
> impressive video, but for a highly inferior user experience than a Linux
> user expects. I've seen it done better under Windows, never mind Linux.
> This may well be some edge case I happened to witness, but the fact
> remains, Apple's reputation exceeds reality every time I've been in a
> position to observe one of these things in action.
>
> - Ron
>
>
Apple provides its own challenges when advocating GNU systems because it
is the very opposite of the GNU approach to computing. With GNU,
everything is about access and choice. With Apple, everything is about
dogma and marketing. The systems are stable enough because they have
mostly a Free Software back end, but the user experience is all glitter
and restrictive at every turn. The minions that use apple are often
educated but inexperienced drones who never think outside of the box,
The company takes their users up to the sight of the goal line in
usability and then cuts them off from real access and development or
administrative usability. But plastered on the eye candy, hipsters
can't get enough of sex appeal.

Apple users are like rich boys who date dumb blonds. They look good on
the passenger side of your Ferreri, but you can all but forget about the
after dinner conversation.

The machines are incredibly stupid from the ground up,

Ruben

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  2. 2009-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Spreading Free Software through Life Style
  3. 2009-01-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Billionaire Suicides on the rise
  4. 2009-01-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Billionaire Suicides on the rise
  5. 2009-01-06 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Billionaire Suicides on the rise
  6. 2009-01-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Billionaire Suicides on the rise
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  8. 2009-01-08 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Spreading Free Software through Life Style
  9. 2009-01-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Spreading Free Software through Life Style
  10. 2009-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Isreal and Gaza
  11. 2009-01-11 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Isreal and Gaza
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  13. 2009-01-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Prisoner Died today...
  14. 2009-01-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Prisoner Died today...
  15. 2009-01-15 Mark Halegua <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Prisoner Died today...
  16. 2009-01-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And what about Ricardo =?utf-8?q?Montalb=C3=A1n=3F?=
  17. 2009-01-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Announcing Adobe(R) AIR(TM) 1.5 for Linux(R). (i'm not sure why the
  18. 2009-01-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And what about Ricardo =?UTF-8?B?TW9udGFsYg==?=
  19. 2009-01-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And what about Ricardo
  20. 2009-01-14 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Seen this?
  21. 2009-01-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] US Air bus down in Hudson River
  22. 2009-01-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Fwd: US Air bus down in Hudson River]
  23. 2009-01-15 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtOWUxYUyAtIEhBTkdPVVRdIFNlZW4gdGhpcz8gIkEgU29mdHc=?=
  24. 2009-01-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtOWUxYUyAtIEhBTkdPVVRdIFJlOiBbTllMWFMgLSBIQU5HT1U=?=
  25. 2009-01-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtOWUxYUyAtIEhBTkdPVVRdIFJlOiBbTllMWFMgLSBIQU5HT1U=?=
  26. 2009-01-15 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] "Opportunities for open source M&A in 2009". There may be some hope
  27. 2009-01-15 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy? The latest & greatest
  28. 2009-01-16 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ubuntu
  29. 2009-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [sluppino-at-gmail.com: Linux Classes]
  30. 2009-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: =?utf-8?Q?=5BNYL?=
  31. 2009-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy? The latest & greatest please.
  32. 2009-01-16 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ubuntu
  33. 2009-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Lake Plaicd
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  36. 2009-01-16 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy? The latest & greatest please.
  37. 2009-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy? The latest & greatest please.
  38. 2009-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  39. 2009-01-17 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  40. 2009-01-17 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy? The latest & greatest please.
  41. 2009-01-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy?
  42. 2009-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  43. 2009-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy? The latest & greatest please.
  44. 2009-01-17 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  45. 2009-01-17 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  46. 2009-01-18 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy?
  47. 2009-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy? The latest & greatest please.
  48. 2009-01-18 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Does anybody have an Ubuntu Distro I can buy?
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  50. 2009-01-19 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Things we don't need
  51. 2009-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Things we don't need
  52. 2009-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] and you wonder why we have problems
  53. 2009-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BBC is just full of good news today
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  55. 2009-01-21 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BBC is just full of good news today
  56. 2009-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] BBC is just full of good news today
  57. 2009-01-23 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Smile - The sun shines for ALL
  58. 2009-01-23 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  59. 2009-01-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Smile - The sun shines for ALL
  60. 2009-01-23 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  61. 2009-01-27 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FW: [nylug-announce] KDE 4.2 New York Release Event: Wednesday
  62. 2009-01-27 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FW: [nylug-announce] KDE 4.2 New York Release Event: Wednesday
  63. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Jelly in Brooklyn + Jelly Talks! this Friday, 1/30]
  64. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  65. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  66. 2009-01-29 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  67. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  68. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  69. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
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  71. 2009-01-29 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  72. 2009-01-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  73. 2009-01-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  74. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  75. 2009-01-28 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  76. 2009-01-29 Mark Halegua <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  77. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  78. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  79. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  80. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  81. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  82. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  83. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  84. 2009-01-29 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  85. 2009-01-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  86. 2009-01-29 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  87. 2009-01-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  88. 2009-01-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  89. 2009-01-29 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  90. 2009-01-29 From: "Beau Gould" <bg-at-capitalmarketsp.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY | 70-100k
  91. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY |
  92. 2009-01-29 From: "Beau Gould" <bg-at-capitalmarketsp.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY | 70-100k
  93. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  94. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  95. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  96. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  97. 2009-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  98. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Brooklyn + Jelly Talks! this Friday, 1/30]
  99. 2009-01-30 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  100. 2009-01-30 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY |
  101. 2009-01-30 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  102. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  103. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [JOB] PHP4/5 Developer - NYC or Troy, NY |
  104. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  105. 2009-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] can someone here help me?
  106. 2009-01-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  107. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  108. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  109. 2009-01-30 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] news groups urge court webcast in music case
  110. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] news groups urge court webcast in music case
  111. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  112. 2009-01-31 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  113. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  114. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  115. 2009-01-31 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  116. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  117. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  118. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [isoc-ny] NYC Community Fiber Project]
  119. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  120. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  121. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  122. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  123. 2009-01-31 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  124. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  125. 2009-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSPACE and Off The Hook
  126. 2009-01-31 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects

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