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| DATE | 2009-01-31 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 03:40:55PM -0500, Ron Guerin wrote:
> Ruben Safir wrote:
> > Ronny Abraham wrote:
>
> >> 3(a). My gut says it's probably better to go with QT, as that lends
> >> itself more to platform independence. While GTK is also available on
> >> windows and mac, it's a bit more of a hassle to set up.
>
> I can't speak for Mac, but it's about 5 clicks to install GTK on
> Windows, all on "Next" and "Ok" buttons. I've done Qt on Windows also,
> and it's pretty much the same thing.
>
> > That, is not a good idea. The developers are OK, the non-free OSes are
> > a dead end.
>
> Cross-platform apps are very helpful in achieving the goal of getting
> them off those platforms.
>
> > We don't help people develope applications on non-free systems.
>
> You're overlooking that cross-plaform code is one way to increase the
> use of Free Software. I know many whose first exposure to Free Software
> was on Windows. Me included. Back in the day, I was a GNU AWK and
> MicroEmacs user on PCDOS. The development of Free Software that widens
> the front should not be discouraged. He's not talking about focusing on
> developing software for non-free platforms, he's just talking about
> developing software that *can* run on them. An objection to the first
> is understandable, an objection to the second I find counter-productive
> unless you're planning on delivering the "Killer App for Linux" that
> makes Microsoft and Apple users throw out their systems.
>
> >> 4. I suspect this will be a learning experience both for myself and
> >> anyone who works with me on this, as I am familiar with neither QT or
> >> C++, or GTK and C#.
>
> C# (Moonlight?!) is the preferred development environment for GTK?
> That's a typo, right?
>
> - Ron
The single only thing development tools and applications moved to
Windows has shown is that it can pull Free Software development OFF of
free software and take the developers with them. Applications developed
with Free Tools for properitary OS's only screws up the applications.
Do we need examples? History is littered with them. Firefox,
OpenOffice, the entire Gnome Project....
NYLXS is about Free Software. We don't dabble in non-free OS space.
Name one one major institution, business or product which after using
Firefox said, "Hey this is great. Lets Ditch Windows"
Let put it this way, more bluntly, we have the same attitude towards
non-free OS's that MS does torward Free OS's, or any other OS's for that
matter not named Windows. We want GOOD applications that run on Free
Software that lock people INTO free software, cohersively if need be.
I don't work for free, and spend $3000 a year to promote Microsoft crap.
And Bruce Perens, et al, can go to hell with Saadam Husien.
Feh. Enjoy the Firefox Profile boys and the broken cut and paste and
bloat on Open Office.
BTW - It might be worth looking at Mono. At least that is taking a
propretetary development tool and moving it to Free Software and apears
to be the new core of libgrade with C++ development.
Ruben
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So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."
"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
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