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DATE | 2021-01-20 |
FROM | Nate Bargmann
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Thu Jan 21 00:21:50 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73892163FB8; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 00:21:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07B90163FB5; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 00:21:44 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: Ruben Safir Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 00:21:44 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <20210121052144.GA11076-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Resent-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com X-Original-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3670C163FCF for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2021 20:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:37074 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l2PAW-0002Fs-EB for ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com; Wed, 20 Jan 2021 20:53:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l2PAE-0002Fm-Nv for autoconf-at-gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2021 20:53:34 -0500 Received: from www11.qth.com ([72.52.250.187]:33500) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l2PAA-0005uu-5d for autoconf-at-gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2021 20:53:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=n0nb.us; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=0iNTSfRYlHdI4BID2jxJNcfrIZNslMeav+3wBcCFEmY=; b=BquwZpOqbU4SoMzZkKE4i1E7xq VhYy7ORXIcodc8TKIVCecSh62EP9Mo00xinwRbYbXT9HyWUxkCtyleswm5SVJSuBuLgb3MvbZEqfQ M/1870T/5CoXqHyLu6Q+7UXaQKGtRYi4I9SAkLkS/7ChKvDxNwlgMJUqqhwVndE0XB1E=; Received: from [68.234.117.129] (port=42072 helo=merlin.lan) by www11.qth.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1l2PA8-006R6s-KV for autoconf-at-gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2021 19:53:28 -0600 Received: from nate by merlin.lan with local (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1l2PA8-001K09-0e for autoconf-at-gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2021 19:53:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 19:53:28 -0600 From: Nate Bargmann To: Autoconf Message-ID: <20210121015328.5wlr5t62uly4cjir-at-n0nb.us> X-Operating-System: Linux 5.10.0-1-amd64 x86_64 Organization: Amateur Radio! References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - www11.qth.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - n0nb.us X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: www11.qth.com: authenticated_id: n0nb-at-n0nb.us X-Authenticated-Sender: www11.qth.com: n0nb-at-n0nb.us Received-SPF: pass client-ip=72.52.250.187; envelope-from=n0nb-at-n0nb.us; helo=www11.qth.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: autoconf-at-gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0378032873==" Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
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Thanks for your effort over this past year, Zack. As a user of Autoconf, your work, as is that of all contributors, is much appreciated.
One strength of the Autotools that I think stands above the rest is the fact that a user of a distributed package does not need to install any of the Autotools packages. On the odd occasion I build a cmake or qmake based project locally I always need to install those build bootstrap systems. This, I think, was a stroke of genius from the start on the part of Autoconf. I think this should always be a primary goal of the project.
Another concern I think any project maintainer that uses the Autotools has is compatibility between versions. The configure.ac files that I maintain generally require a rather old version of Autoconf and work well, at least though 2.69. I'm not aware of glaring bugs that affect us. A reworked Autoconf that leaves behind m4 would be welcome so long as a present configure.ac file could be left in place to be used when an older Autoconf version is installed on older systems. This would likely require a new default name for an incompatible version of Autoconf, though this might cause issues with Automake and Libtool.
Thanks for taking an active interest in this project.
- Nate
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