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([2001:8b0:aba:5f3c:740b:f7b2:9a90:fbc0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s22sm10193705ejd.106.2021.01.26.12.57.49 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:57:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: From: Richard Purdie To: autoconf-at-gnu.org Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 20:57:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: CAKCAbMiDiBPd3jy2gxMKkuxvCx4VwcAoUta6YXLq8t-sHT13gg-at-mail.gmail.com User-Agent: Evolution 3.38.1-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::52a; envelope-from=richard.purdie-at-linuxfoundation.org; helo=mail-ed1-x52a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:31:09 -0500 X-BeenThere: autoconf-at-gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout" Firstly, thanks for the 2.70 release! Yocto Project hasn't switched yet as whilst we tested it and reported issues, there was a last minute change which broke things for us. We'll get that sorted and upgrade. I am one of the lead developers of the Yocto Project and at its heart is OpenEmbedded which is basically a cross compiling operating system build tool. We primarily target Linux and specialise in allowing complete customisation of the end resulting images. We try and solve a complex problem, pulling together all the pieces of open source needed for an operating system including the toolchain, cross compiling them and allowing the user to customise them in infinitely different ways. Where the software uses autotools, we actually regenerate the configure scripts and makefiles from the source files before configuring and building the software. We do this since we may need to include arch support that isn't part of the original configure script, or to include fixes we carry to components like libtool, which I'm say to say doesn't work properly cross compiling out the box. One scary statistic is that if we look at where our builds spend time, 40% of our wall clock build time is spent in "do_configure" tasks, which is mostly running autotools and is single threaded. The compile takes much less time as we can do things in parallel. Of that 40%, about half of it is in autoreconf and half is running configure itself. I did profile configure and the problem is that its basically a fork bomb. Tons of forks to do trivial shell operations. I have less insight how to speed up the autoreconf side of things as that mostly seems to be in m4, although an m4 deletion party of obsolete things we don't care about has come to mind before. I like autotools, I've spent a lot of time debugging them but I also know they solve some hard problems. I do wish there were more active releases and an upstream we could engage with and get issues discussed and resolved somehow. I will observe that I once worked on a Makefile based build system (buildroot) and I then somehow ultimately became the bitbake maintainer which can be thought of as a custom python tool for parsing and dealing with metadata. Over the years I have come to love python for handling our recipes and configuration data. I saw suggestion of using some other language for configure than shell and the idea sounds intriguing, particularly after my positive experiences with python. In terms of CI, Yocto Project had a challenge there as we have huge possible numbers of configurations. Its taken us a few years but we do now have a CI system I'm quite proud of. In around 6 hours we can take a configuration and build it out from scratch for 4 principle architectures in 32, x32/n32 and 64 bit variants for multiple init systems, kernel versions, libc implementations and much much more. As an idea, here is a link to one of our test reports: https://autobuilder.yocto.io/pub/non-release/20210120-9/testresults/testresult-report.txt That does correctly say it attempted about 2.6 million tests. Included there are booting images under qemu for all our principle target architectures and running the test suites included with many pieces of software, including the testsuites with gcc, glibc, binutils, perl and python and the ltp suite. We also cover things like reproducibility. When we heard about the new release we did run 2.70 under this test matrix and reported issues back so hopefully the release benefited from this indirectly. Doing something simpler with build testing for autoconf and other GNU projects would be entirely possible, I mention this mainly to show what can be done! I do worry about the future for autotools, I see projects moving over to alternatives and I am happy to see the performance gains we get from it. I'd mention that the copyright assignment situation needed for contributions is prohibitive to people being able to participate (including me in the past). GNU's thoughts on version control and project interconnection is also somewhat discouraging to people in the wider open source ecosystem although I don't follow it closely. I've also not seen mention of it but the fact that GCC and the toolchain use an ancient version of autoconf has always been rather sad to me. I do think autotools has a proud heritage but to survive into the next decade, I do think it needs to change direction, stop supporting old obsolete systems and embrace more new technology, much like it would have done originally. Reducing to the lowest common denominator is ok for a while but ultimately signs a death warrant as I've seen observed on the libtool list by devlopers in recent years too. Everything here is meant as constructive support of trying to find a way to allow autotools to succeed into the future. Cheers, Richard _______________________________________________ Hangout mailing list Hangout-at-nylxs.com http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout 2021-01-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Troubles with wikipedia 2021-01-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Confused about two development utils [EXT] 2021-01-01 Mark Blackman <mark-at-blackmans.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Confused about two development utils [EXT] 2021-01-01 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Confused about two development utils [EXT] 2021-01-01 Akkana Peck <akkana-at-shallowsky.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] LED white christmas lights effect 2021-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Election Fraud baked into the system 2021-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] What COVID-19 has meant to Western Economies and 2021-01-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Wallmart and the Opiod Crisis 2021-01-03 Ben Bullock <benkasminbullock-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] Compression ratios of files 2021-01-02 Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] LED white christmas lights effect 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] researched facts wrapped in a ball of paranoia 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] researched facts wrapped in a ball 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] researched facts wrapped in a ball of paranoia 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] researched facts wrapped in a ball of paranoia 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] researched facts wrapped in a ball of paranoia 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] researched facts wrapped in a ball of paranoia 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to compile a vala GIMP plugin 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Fwd: Artix - Mirror rsync 2021-01-03 Juraj Oravec via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Fwd: Artix - Mirror rsync source 2021-01-03 Juraj Oravec <sgorava-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Artix - Mirror rsync source change 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Fwd: Artix - Mirror rsync 2021-01-03 Juraj Oravec via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Fwd: Artix - Mirror rsync source 2021-01-03 Juraj Oravec <sgorava-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Artix - Mirror rsync source change 2021-01-03 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to compile a vala GIMP plugin 2021-01-03 Kevin Cozens <kevin-at-ve3syb.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to compile a vala GIMP plugin 2021-01-02 flexible fotography via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] how can i... 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to compile a vala GIMP plugin 2021-01-03 Simon Budig <simon-at-budig.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] how can i... 2021-01-03 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] how can i... 2021-01-04 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #493 - Happy 2021! 2021-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Native Populations in the Caribian before 2021-01-04 Andrew Solomon <andrew-at-geekuni.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] A message from The Perl Foundation 2021-01-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccine research over the last 20 years 2021-01-04 From: "Humble Bundle" <contact-at-mailer.humblebundle.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Become_a_front-end_web_development_w?= 2021-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] defund everything... 2021-01-05 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Software Supporter Issue 153, January 2021 2021-01-05 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Sender address rejected: Domain not found 2021-01-05 Ansgar Wiechers <lists-at-planetcobalt.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Sender address rejected: Domain not found 2021-01-05 From: <ludicree-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Sender address rejected: Domain not found 2021-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Sender address rejected: Domain not found 2021-01-05 NYOUG <execdir-at-nyoug.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Upcoming Events for Oracle Professionals 2021-01-05 Karl Auer <kauer-at-biplane.com.au> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Sender address rejected: Domain not found 2021-01-04 From: "Odile C. Kamno" <christelia3-at-hotmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Set another Default value on 2021-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] WEchat - political survailence - the Baby with 2021-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] change the past.. 2021-01-06 James E Keenan <jkeenan-at-pobox.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Perl Foundation Survey; 2021-01-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccine locals in Brooklyn 2021-01-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Apache shows PHP code instead 2021-01-06 Tatsuki Makino <tatsuki_makino-at-hotmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Opening Web Interface 2021-01-06 dino-at-tuxweb.it Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Apache shows PHP code instead 2021-01-06 Eric Covener <covener-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Apache shows PHP code instead 2021-01-06 Len Kurylo via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] 2.10.22 vs 2.99.4 2021-01-06 Tom via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] 2.10.22 vs 2.99.4 2021-01-06 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] 2.10.22 vs 2.99.4 2021-01-06 Len Kurylo via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] 2.10.22 vs 2.99.4 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to compile a vala GIMP plugin 2021-01-08 Ben Bullock <benkasminbullock-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] I can't figure out how to 2021-01-08 David Horman <davidhorman47-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] I can't figure out how to 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] internet freedom os speech, 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] internet freedom os speech, 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The genuine depths of the COVID-19 Response: The 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 Vaccine is going NOWHERE at this rate 2021-01-11 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #494 - Perl Myths 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] internet freedom os speech, 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Post COVID-19 Lockup Hell is opened 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] What voter fraud? 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] internet freedom os speech, 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] under reported news on China and Tawian with long 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] airline problems with the lockdown 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] trump supporters doxed by left 2021-01-12 NYOUG <execdir-at-nyoug.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Upcoming Events for Oracle Professionals 2021-01-11 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Watch "Fight to Repair, 2021-01-11 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Watch "Fight to Repair, 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Obsucles to Free Speech Platforms continue to 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] down the rabbit hole we go... 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Speech rubber hits the road.. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] left wing free speech 2021-01-11 Dave Stevens <geek-at-uniserve.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Citation 2021-01-12 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Download of Registry 2021-01-11 Ross Martinek <triarius-at-att.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Citation 2021-01-11 Julian Correa via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Citation 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] No Trial By Jury. No Due Process. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Learning from the Golden Gate Bridge 2021-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Speech being killed across the slaveware 2021-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hot Linux training deals at the Linux Foundation 2021-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] R Programing and Statisitcs 2021-01-15 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] something to clean up 2021-01-15 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] something to clean up 2021-01-15 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] something to clean up 2021-01-15 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] something to clean up 2021-01-15 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] something to clean up after 2021-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Serious misuse of the term opensource 2021-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Serious misuse of the term opensource 2021-01-16 Kollel Ner Dovid / Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim <info-at-kollelauction.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Flights to Israel?? And What Will You Get With $1, 2021-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] State demandsed socialist Social Warrior Bullshit 2021-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Freedom_of_Speech_on_the_Internet_-_?= 2021-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Big Tech Censorship 2021-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Herald Square 2021-01-18 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #495 - Collect O'Reilly Animals 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Exceultive order on internet freedom 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] This is why there is NO urgency to defeat the 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Another Trump step in the right direction ... 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The money goes straight from the US Treasury, 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Economic extortion threatens the west 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Everything is FINE with the economy - no rush 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Bidens Homeland Security know who is the threat, 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Trump Foriegn Policy Doctrim might actually 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The lies and the double speak now goes full force 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] airline business is essential to the US economy 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Killing out police department 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fare Hikes postoned - but who cares. Everyone is 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fare Hikes postoned - but who cares. Everyone 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Death of NYC businesses 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Death of NYC businesses 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Killing jobs the Biden way - first day out 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lies our fathers (and President) tell us 2021-01-20 Nate Bargmann <n0nb-at-n0nb.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-20 Dan Kegel <dank-at-kegel.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-20 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-20 Nate Bargmann <n0nb-at-n0nb.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-20 Dan Kegel <dank-at-kegel.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-20 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-20 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps 2021-01-20 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps 2021-01-20 Kian Kasad via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] s6 man pages package 2021-01-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps pipewire 2021-01-21 amdocs-jobnotification-at-noreply.jobs2web.com Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] New jobs posted from jobs.amdocs.com 2021-01-21 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps 2021-01-21 Jacob Moody via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps 2021-01-21 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps 2021-01-21 Jacob Moody via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps 2021-01-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Firs COVID-19 Podcast - hoping to get the second 2021-01-21 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 pluto--- via Discussion list for the autoconf build system Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 John Calcote <john.calcote-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 pluto--- via Discussion list for the autoconf build system Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 John Calcote <john.calcote-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] And away we gooo 2021-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lockdown? What lockdown? 2021-01-21 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 pluto--- via Discussion list for the autoconf build system Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 John Calcote <john.calcote-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 pluto--- via Discussion list for the autoconf build system Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-22 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] And away we gooo | | Excellent information ! 2021-01-21 John Calcote <john.calcote-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Tom Tromey <tom-at-tromey.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The individual freedom .... 2021-01-22 Eli Schwartz <eschwartz-at-archlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-22 Nick Bowler <nbowler-at-draconx.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Zack Weinberg <zackw-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Paul Eggert <eggert-at-cs.ucla.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Paul Eggert <eggert-at-cs.ucla.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-21 Paul Eggert <eggert-at-cs.ucla.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-22 Kip Warner <kip-at-thevertigo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-12 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Download of Registry 2021-01-22 Jeffery Small via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Any way to disable GIMP from 2021-01-22 Akkana Peck <akkana-at-shallowsky.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to change colors of patterns 2021-01-22 Dennis <gimp-forums-at-mgssub.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to change colors of patterns 2021-01-22 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Any way to disable GIMP from 2021-01-21 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Images different in other editors 2021-01-20 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] setting DPI for Gimp 2021-01-20 Helmut Jarausch via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] setting DPI for Gimp 2021-01-20 Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Any way to disable GIMP from 2021-01-20 Jeffery Small via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Any way to disable GIMP from touching 2021-01-20 Kat <Kat-at-eusamart.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] My Fuzzy Select tool 2021-01-21 Dennis <gimp-forums-at-mgssub.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to change colors of patterns 2021-01-24 Tom Tromey <tom-at-tromey.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] How much longer can these idiots 2021-01-25 Paul Eggert <eggert-at-cs.ucla.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Paul Smith <psmith-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Nick Bowler <nbowler-at-draconx.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 From: "David A. Wheeler" <dwheeler-at-dwheeler.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 John Calcote <john.calcote-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Paul Smith <psmith-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Zack Weinberg <zackw-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Paul Smith <psmith-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #496 - Statocles vs Hugo 2021-01-25 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] MORE Democratics Campaign Fraud: Big Machine 2021-01-25 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] How much longer can these idiots 2021-01-25 Paul Eggert <eggert-at-cs.ucla.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Nick Bowler <nbowler-at-draconx.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] US Censorship is now truning Chinese 2021-01-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] John Brennan - Criminal 2021-01-26 facebook <facebook-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Congratulate_Paul_R=2E_Rodr?= 2021-01-26 Paul Smith <psmith-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-26 Paul Smith <psmith-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-26 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-26 Richard Purdie <richard.purdie-at-linuxfoundation.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-26 Joseph Myers <joseph-at-codesourcery.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The ULTIMATE in fake news 2021-01-27 Richard Purdie <richard.purdie-at-linuxfoundation.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-27 Joseph Myers <joseph-at-codesourcery.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-27 From: "Pharmacy Times Continuing Education" <reply-at-email.pharmacytimes.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?COVID-19_Care=3A_How_to_Best_Apply_C?= 2021-01-27 Karl Berry <karl-at-freefriends.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Socialists are driving the market crazy 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] You really need to watch this because we just 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccinations and the "Green Passport" 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Solarwidns hack deepens 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] you are watching a repeat of the 1929 stoclk 2021-01-29 Richard Purdie <richard.purdie-at-linuxfoundation.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] You cat the Prodcut 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] You ARE the product... 2021-01-29 From: "Optimum" <optimum-at-mail.optimumemail1.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Winter storm preparation. 2021-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lies the Social Justice Warriors Tell Us 2021-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Are you COLD? Well, 2021-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Left is coming for you and COVID-19 is the 2021-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: This week at Humble: Winter Store Sale, 2021-01-30 Bob Long <bob-at-oblong.com.au> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why. 2021-01-30 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why. 2021-01-30 Kat <Kat-at-eusamart.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why. 2021-01-30 Mark Morin <mdmpsyd-at-gwi.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why. 2021-01-30 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why. 2021-01-29 From: "Lani P. Richards via gimp-user-list" <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP *super* slow on new iMac 2021-01-30 From: =?utf-8?q?Jehan_Pag=C3=A8s_via_gimp-user-list?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP *super* slow on new iMac 2021-01-29 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP *super* slow on new iMac 2021-01-29 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP *super* slow on new iMac 2021-01-30 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP *super* slow on new iMac 2021-01-23 Rob Watson via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Wavelet denoise 2021-01-27 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Wavelet denoise 2021-01-28 Owen via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to change colors of patterns 2021-01-27 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Does "Emboss" filter work? 2021-01-27 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Does "Emboss" filter work? 2021-01-24 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Does "Emboss" filter work? 2021-01-30 Patrick Duehring via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why. 2021-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The value of community 2021-01-31 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-31 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-31 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools 2021-01-30 Cristian =?UTF-8?Q?Secar=C4=83?= <liste-at-secarica.ro> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why. 2021-01-31 Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] My Fuzzy Select tool 2021-01-31 Johnny Rosenberg via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why. 2021-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Are you COLD? Well, 2021-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (2/18) - GC of GOOGLE - Legal, data privacy, 2021-01-29 Erik Lauritsen via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Please make an antix-announce 2021-01-29 Erik Lauritsen via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Please make an antix-announce 2021-01-30 From: "Canarsie Courier" <updates-at-canarsiecourier.net> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Grow Your Business For Only $25.00 Weekly 2021-01-26 From: "Wesley Peng" <wesley-at-pengfamily.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] perl's pulsar client 2021-01-26 From: "Wesley Peng" <wesley-at-pengfamily.de> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] perl's pulsar client 2021-01-26 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] perl's pulsar client NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!