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DATE 2021-01-26
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Firstly, thanks for the 2.70 release! Yocto Project hasn't switched yet
as whilst we tested it and reported issues, there was a last minute
change which broke things for us. We'll get that sorted and upgrade.

I am one of the lead developers of the Yocto Project and at its heart
is OpenEmbedded which is basically a cross compiling operating system
build tool. We primarily target Linux and specialise in allowing
complete customisation of the end resulting images.

We try and solve a complex problem, pulling together all the pieces of
open source needed for an operating system including the toolchain,
cross compiling them and allowing the user to customise them in
infinitely different ways. Where the software uses autotools, we
actually regenerate the configure scripts and makefiles from the source
files before configuring and building the software. We do this since we
may need to include arch support that isn't part of the original
configure script, or to include fixes we carry to components like
libtool, which I'm say to say doesn't work properly cross compiling out
the box.

One scary statistic is that if we look at where our builds spend time,
40% of our wall clock build time is spent in "do_configure" tasks,
which is mostly running autotools and is single threaded. The compile
takes much less time as we can do things in parallel. Of that 40%,
about half of it is in autoreconf and half is running configure itself.

I did profile configure and the problem is that its basically a fork
bomb. Tons of forks to do trivial shell operations. I have less insight
how to speed up the autoreconf side of things as that mostly seems to
be in m4, although an m4 deletion party of obsolete things we don't
care about has come to mind before.

I like autotools, I've spent a lot of time debugging them but I also
know they solve some hard problems. I do wish there were more active
releases and an upstream we could engage with and get issues discussed
and resolved somehow.

I will observe that I once worked on a Makefile based build system
(buildroot) and I then somehow ultimately became the bitbake maintainer
which can be thought of as a custom python tool for parsing and dealing
with metadata. Over the years I have come to love python for handling
our recipes and configuration data. I saw suggestion of using some
other language for configure than shell and the idea sounds intriguing,
particularly after my positive experiences with python.

In terms of CI, Yocto Project had a challenge there as we have huge
possible numbers of configurations. Its taken us a few years but we do
now have a CI system I'm quite proud of. In around 6 hours we can take
a configuration and build it out from scratch for 4 principle
architectures in 32, x32/n32 and 64 bit variants for multiple init
systems, kernel versions, libc implementations and much much more. As
an idea, here is a link to one of our test reports:

https://autobuilder.yocto.io/pub/non-release/20210120-9/testresults/testresult-report.txt

That does correctly say it attempted about 2.6 million tests. Included
there are booting images under qemu for all our principle target
architectures and running the test suites included with many pieces of
software, including the testsuites with gcc, glibc, binutils, perl and
python and the ltp suite. We also cover things like reproducibility.

When we heard about the new release we did run 2.70 under this test
matrix and reported issues back so hopefully the release benefited from
this indirectly.

Doing something simpler with build testing for autoconf and other GNU
projects would be entirely possible, I mention this mainly to show what
can be done!

I do worry about the future for autotools, I see projects moving over
to alternatives and I am happy to see the performance gains we get from
it.

I'd mention that the copyright assignment situation needed for
contributions is prohibitive to people being able to participate
(including me in the past). GNU's thoughts on version control and
project interconnection is also somewhat discouraging to people in the
wider open source ecosystem although I don't follow it closely.

I've also not seen mention of it but the fact that GCC and the
toolchain use an ancient version of autoconf has always been rather sad
to me.

I do think autotools has a proud heritage but to survive into the next
decade, I do think it needs to change direction, stop supporting old
obsolete systems and embrace more new technology, much like it would
have done originally. Reducing to the lowest common denominator is ok
for a while but ultimately signs a death warrant as I've seen observed
on the libtool list by devlopers in recent years too.

Everything here is meant as constructive support of trying to find a
way to allow autotools to succeed into the future.

Cheers,

Richard



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  56. 2021-01-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to compile a vala GIMP plugin
  57. 2021-01-08 Ben Bullock <benkasminbullock-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] I can't figure out how to
  58. 2021-01-08 David Horman <davidhorman47-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] I can't figure out how to
  59. 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] internet freedom os speech,
  60. 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] internet freedom os speech,
  61. 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The genuine depths of the COVID-19 Response: The
  62. 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 Vaccine is going NOWHERE at this rate
  63. 2021-01-11 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #494 - Perl Myths
  64. 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] internet freedom os speech,
  65. 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Post COVID-19 Lockup Hell is opened
  66. 2021-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] What voter fraud?
  67. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] internet freedom os speech,
  68. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] under reported news on China and Tawian with long
  69. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] airline problems with the lockdown
  70. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] trump supporters doxed by left
  71. 2021-01-12 NYOUG <execdir-at-nyoug.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Upcoming Events for Oracle Professionals
  72. 2021-01-11 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Watch "Fight to Repair,
  73. 2021-01-11 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Watch "Fight to Repair,
  74. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Obsucles to Free Speech Platforms continue to
  75. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] down the rabbit hole we go...
  76. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Speech rubber hits the road..
  77. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] left wing free speech
  78. 2021-01-11 Dave Stevens <geek-at-uniserve.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Citation
  79. 2021-01-12 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Download of Registry
  80. 2021-01-11 Ross Martinek <triarius-at-att.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Citation
  81. 2021-01-11 Julian Correa via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Citation
  82. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] No Trial By Jury. No Due Process.
  83. 2021-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Learning from the Golden Gate Bridge
  84. 2021-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Speech being killed across the slaveware
  85. 2021-01-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hot Linux training deals at the Linux Foundation
  86. 2021-01-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] R Programing and Statisitcs
  87. 2021-01-15 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] something to clean up
  88. 2021-01-15 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] something to clean up
  89. 2021-01-15 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] something to clean up
  90. 2021-01-15 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] something to clean up
  91. 2021-01-15 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] something to clean up after
  92. 2021-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Serious misuse of the term opensource
  93. 2021-01-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Serious misuse of the term opensource
  94. 2021-01-16 Kollel Ner Dovid / Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim <info-at-kollelauction.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Flights to Israel?? And What Will You Get With $1,
  95. 2021-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] State demandsed socialist Social Warrior Bullshit
  96. 2021-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Freedom_of_Speech_on_the_Internet_-_?=
  97. 2021-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Big Tech Censorship
  98. 2021-01-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Herald Square
  99. 2021-01-18 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #495 - Collect O'Reilly Animals
  100. 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Exceultive order on internet freedom
  101. 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] This is why there is NO urgency to defeat the
  102. 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Another Trump step in the right direction ...
  103. 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The money goes straight from the US Treasury,
  104. 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Economic extortion threatens the west
  105. 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Everything is FINE with the economy - no rush
  106. 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Bidens Homeland Security know who is the threat,
  107. 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Trump Foriegn Policy Doctrim might actually
  108. 2021-01-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The lies and the double speak now goes full force
  109. 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] airline business is essential to the US economy
  110. 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Killing out police department
  111. 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fare Hikes postoned - but who cares. Everyone is
  112. 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fare Hikes postoned - but who cares. Everyone
  113. 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Death of NYC businesses
  114. 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Death of NYC businesses
  115. 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Killing jobs the Biden way - first day out
  116. 2021-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lies our fathers (and President) tell us
  117. 2021-01-20 Nate Bargmann <n0nb-at-n0nb.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  118. 2021-01-20 Dan Kegel <dank-at-kegel.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  119. 2021-01-20 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  120. 2021-01-20 Nate Bargmann <n0nb-at-n0nb.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  121. 2021-01-20 Dan Kegel <dank-at-kegel.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  122. 2021-01-20 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  123. 2021-01-20 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  124. 2021-01-21 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps
  125. 2021-01-20 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps
  126. 2021-01-20 Kian Kasad via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] s6 man pages package
  127. 2021-01-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps pipewire
  128. 2021-01-21 amdocs-jobnotification-at-noreply.jobs2web.com Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] New jobs posted from jobs.amdocs.com
  129. 2021-01-21 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps
  130. 2021-01-21 Jacob Moody via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps
  131. 2021-01-21 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps
  132. 2021-01-21 Jacob Moody via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] wayland and perhaps
  133. 2021-01-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Firs COVID-19 Podcast - hoping to get the second
  134. 2021-01-21 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  135. 2021-01-21 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  136. 2021-01-21 pluto--- via Discussion list for the autoconf build system Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  137. 2021-01-21 John Calcote <john.calcote-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  138. 2021-01-21 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  139. 2021-01-21 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  140. 2021-01-21 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  141. 2021-01-21 pluto--- via Discussion list for the autoconf build system Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  142. 2021-01-21 John Calcote <john.calcote-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  143. 2021-01-21 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  144. 2021-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] And away we gooo
  145. 2021-01-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lockdown? What lockdown?
  146. 2021-01-21 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  147. 2021-01-21 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  148. 2021-01-21 pluto--- via Discussion list for the autoconf build system Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  149. 2021-01-21 John Calcote <john.calcote-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  150. 2021-01-21 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  151. 2021-01-21 pluto--- via Discussion list for the autoconf build system Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  152. 2021-01-21 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  153. 2021-01-22 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] And away we gooo | | Excellent information !
  154. 2021-01-21 John Calcote <john.calcote-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  155. 2021-01-21 Tom Tromey <tom-at-tromey.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  156. 2021-01-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The individual freedom ....
  157. 2021-01-22 Eli Schwartz <eschwartz-at-archlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  158. 2021-01-22 Nick Bowler <nbowler-at-draconx.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  159. 2021-01-21 Zack Weinberg <zackw-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  160. 2021-01-21 Paul Eggert <eggert-at-cs.ucla.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  161. 2021-01-21 Paul Eggert <eggert-at-cs.ucla.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  162. 2021-01-21 Paul Eggert <eggert-at-cs.ucla.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  163. 2021-01-22 Kip Warner <kip-at-thevertigo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  164. 2021-01-12 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Download of Registry
  165. 2021-01-22 Jeffery Small via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Any way to disable GIMP from
  166. 2021-01-22 Akkana Peck <akkana-at-shallowsky.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to change colors of patterns
  167. 2021-01-22 Dennis <gimp-forums-at-mgssub.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to change colors of patterns
  168. 2021-01-22 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Any way to disable GIMP from
  169. 2021-01-21 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Images different in other editors
  170. 2021-01-20 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] setting DPI for Gimp
  171. 2021-01-20 Helmut Jarausch via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] setting DPI for Gimp
  172. 2021-01-20 Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Any way to disable GIMP from
  173. 2021-01-20 Jeffery Small via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Any way to disable GIMP from touching
  174. 2021-01-20 Kat <Kat-at-eusamart.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] My Fuzzy Select tool
  175. 2021-01-21 Dennis <gimp-forums-at-mgssub.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to change colors of patterns
  176. 2021-01-24 Tom Tromey <tom-at-tromey.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  177. 2021-01-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] How much longer can these idiots
  178. 2021-01-25 Paul Eggert <eggert-at-cs.ucla.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  179. 2021-01-25 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  180. 2021-01-25 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  181. 2021-01-25 Paul Smith <psmith-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  182. 2021-01-25 Nick Bowler <nbowler-at-draconx.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  183. 2021-01-25 From: "David A. Wheeler" <dwheeler-at-dwheeler.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  184. 2021-01-25 John Calcote <john.calcote-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  185. 2021-01-25 Paul Smith <psmith-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  186. 2021-01-25 Zack Weinberg <zackw-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  187. 2021-01-25 Paul Smith <psmith-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  188. 2021-01-25 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #496 - Statocles vs Hugo
  189. 2021-01-25 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] MORE Democratics Campaign Fraud: Big Machine
  190. 2021-01-25 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] How much longer can these idiots
  191. 2021-01-25 Paul Eggert <eggert-at-cs.ucla.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  192. 2021-01-25 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  193. 2021-01-25 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  194. 2021-01-25 Nick Bowler <nbowler-at-draconx.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  195. 2021-01-25 Bob Friesenhahn <bfriesen-at-simple.dallas.tx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  196. 2021-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] US Censorship is now truning Chinese
  197. 2021-01-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] John Brennan - Criminal
  198. 2021-01-26 facebook <facebook-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Congratulate_Paul_R=2E_Rodr?=
  199. 2021-01-26 Paul Smith <psmith-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  200. 2021-01-26 Paul Smith <psmith-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  201. 2021-01-26 Andy Tai <atai-at-atai.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  202. 2021-01-26 Richard Purdie <richard.purdie-at-linuxfoundation.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  203. 2021-01-26 Joseph Myers <joseph-at-codesourcery.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  204. 2021-01-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The ULTIMATE in fake news
  205. 2021-01-27 Richard Purdie <richard.purdie-at-linuxfoundation.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  206. 2021-01-27 Joseph Myers <joseph-at-codesourcery.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  207. 2021-01-27 From: "Pharmacy Times Continuing Education" <reply-at-email.pharmacytimes.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?COVID-19_Care=3A_How_to_Best_Apply_C?=
  208. 2021-01-27 Karl Berry <karl-at-freefriends.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  209. 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Socialists are driving the market crazy
  210. 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] You really need to watch this because we just
  211. 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccinations and the "Green Passport"
  212. 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Solarwidns hack deepens
  213. 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] you are watching a repeat of the 1929 stoclk
  214. 2021-01-29 Richard Purdie <richard.purdie-at-linuxfoundation.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  215. 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] You cat the Prodcut
  216. 2021-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] You ARE the product...
  217. 2021-01-29 From: "Optimum" <optimum-at-mail.optimumemail1.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Winter storm preparation.
  218. 2021-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lies the Social Justice Warriors Tell Us
  219. 2021-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Are you COLD? Well,
  220. 2021-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Left is coming for you and COVID-19 is the
  221. 2021-01-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: This week at Humble: Winter Store Sale,
  222. 2021-01-30 Bob Long <bob-at-oblong.com.au> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why.
  223. 2021-01-30 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why.
  224. 2021-01-30 Kat <Kat-at-eusamart.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why.
  225. 2021-01-30 Mark Morin <mdmpsyd-at-gwi.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why.
  226. 2021-01-30 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why.
  227. 2021-01-29 From: "Lani P. Richards via gimp-user-list" <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP *super* slow on new iMac
  228. 2021-01-30 From: =?utf-8?q?Jehan_Pag=C3=A8s_via_gimp-user-list?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP *super* slow on new iMac
  229. 2021-01-29 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP *super* slow on new iMac
  230. 2021-01-29 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP *super* slow on new iMac
  231. 2021-01-30 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP *super* slow on new iMac
  232. 2021-01-23 Rob Watson via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Wavelet denoise
  233. 2021-01-27 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Wavelet denoise
  234. 2021-01-28 Owen via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to change colors of patterns
  235. 2021-01-27 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Does "Emboss" filter work?
  236. 2021-01-27 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Does "Emboss" filter work?
  237. 2021-01-24 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Does "Emboss" filter work?
  238. 2021-01-30 Patrick Duehring via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why.
  239. 2021-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The value of community
  240. 2021-01-31 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  241. 2021-01-31 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  242. 2021-01-31 Gavin Smith <gavinsmith0123-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Future plans for Autotools
  243. 2021-01-30 Cristian =?UTF-8?Q?Secar=C4=83?= <liste-at-secarica.ro> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why.
  244. 2021-01-31 Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] My Fuzzy Select tool
  245. 2021-01-31 Johnny Rosenberg via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is awful, heres why.
  246. 2021-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Are you COLD? Well,
  247. 2021-01-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (2/18) - GC of GOOGLE - Legal, data privacy,
  248. 2021-01-29 Erik Lauritsen via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Please make an antix-announce
  249. 2021-01-29 Erik Lauritsen via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Please make an antix-announce
  250. 2021-01-30 From: "Canarsie Courier" <updates-at-canarsiecourier.net> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Grow Your Business For Only $25.00 Weekly
  251. 2021-01-26 From: "Wesley Peng" <wesley-at-pengfamily.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] perl's pulsar client
  252. 2021-01-26 From: "Wesley Peng" <wesley-at-pengfamily.de> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] perl's pulsar client
  253. 2021-01-26 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] perl's pulsar client

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