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DATE 2004-12-30
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If anyone needed another reason not to buy an Apple MAC........


Suffering the Swings and Arrows of Outrageous Customer Service!
By Dan Welch - Posted on 2004-12-30
08:50:40
at OSNews [http://www.osnews.com/]

This holiday season I was given some Christmas money, and I wanted to
purchase a DVD burner for my G4 Apple Macintosh computer. When I purchased
my computer, I was wise in buying a tower since they are upgradeable, right?
WRONG!


When I attempted to place an order for what Apple calls a "Superdrive" they
refused, stating that they do not carry them in stock. After a very lengthy
discussion, they sternly stated that the Apple store does not sell them! I
found this to be quite odd. I worked as a computer service technician for
over 10 years. I serviced every make and model machine from Compaq, IBM, HP,
Dell, and even a cheap no-name Korean brand that went out of business, and
none of them refused to sell me an internal drive of any kind, EVER! I knew
that the sales people might not have been properly trained, so I decided to
speak with Apple's service department. I thought that a certified Apple
service technician would be able to help me, WRONG! They stated that they
would not ship me a DVD drive because my machine was not originally
purchased with one. I retorted by asking them, could I buy a second
"Superdrive" if my machine came with one, then they said yes! However, I
would have to order it through a certified Apple Service Provider.
Apparently, Apple does not provide such a complicated, labor-intensive
service. I called one store local to me, and he stated that it would cost me
$450.00 of my Christmas money!!!! WHAT?!?!?


I called Apple back, and I was forced to wait on hold for over 3 hours.
Finally I spoke with Apple's customer relations department. This policy must
be a mistake, as it is the worst possible experience I have ever had with a
computer vendor. I asked them why Apple is the only computer company on the
face of the planet that refuses to provide an upgrade part for their
machines. They completely refused to give an adequate answer , then gave no
explanation, and no recourse at all. They stated that I had to purchase a
third party external drive, but they are not compatible with Apple's iDVD
software. They also stated that any third party internal drive was not
guaranteed to work with iDVD. Is this application forever uselessly
installed on my computer from the factory? I will probably purchase a third
party drive, and figure out a workaround like I would for a Windows or Linux
box, but if that is the case then why purchase a Macintosh to begin with? I
guess all of my technology friends were right when they warned me before
purchasing my machine. They would tell me, "Macintosh computers can not be
upgraded easily."

When I discussed this with other people, they said that they would never
have tried to buy a Superdrive from Apple, and that they would never try to
buy an upgrade component from any computer manufacturer. I received comments
in an e-mail such as this, "Why pay the extra money for nothing? So the fact
that they don't offer the drive as anything but a replacement part doesn't
really surprise me. However, the thing that really disgusts me is that they
didn't tell you the truth when you called: that you can buy a Superdrive
from other vendors, and that although they don't "support" other drives, a
lot of them work just fine, and work with iDVD, and the fact that they don't
"support" them means that if you can't get it working properly, you're not
entitled to use your free Apple tech support to try to get it working. So
that's the truth, and they should have told you that. Shame on them for
giving you the runaround like they did.You can go to dozens of resellers'
web sites where they will sell you a Superdrive. 30 seconds on google found
me one for $179. Other World Computing also has a bunch of iDVD compatible
drives".

My response is that they should support at least ONE updraded drive! That is
why I called them in the first place. Even Microsoft offers a hardware
compatibility list (HCL), for those devices that they support. If they only
told me, "the following drives are supported",and gave me a short list I
would have stoppped calling them.

I even had someone say that "From what I understand, with my experience with
DVD-+RW disks on OSX, the component of OSX that deals with optical drives,
simply, sucks.
That's the reason they prefer to not support at all third party drives or
just in conjuction with iDVD: because their generic driver for them is not
as reliable as it should, or as compatible.

On Apple's own website I posed this question to others. Here is the most
critical information that I found:

1) If you run into this problem, you can read owner reviews of different
drives -at- xlr8yourmac's Drive Compatibility

[http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso] database. A
database that Apple should provide, if they are not going to sell you a
working drive.


2) After you find a working drive, then you might need PatchBurn

[http://www.patchburn.de/download.html] to enable Finder & iApp support for
most 3rd party drives. It's better to stick with a vendor that Apple uses
(support is to strong a word) such as Pioneer, NEC, LG, Plextor, or LaCie.

3) Since 3rd party DVD-/+R/RW burners can be had for under $75 online, it
would make no sense to buy one from Apple for several hundred, even if you
could.
If you really want a drive with Apple-firmware (usually limits drive
performance) you can look on sites such as OtherWorldComputing; they often
have such drives for sale.
They recomended a DVR-108 or ND-3500A.

All this aside, this "work-around" process should not be happening for
machines that cost as much as $2000.00! I simply bought a DVR-107 out of
frustration from the first website I found that claimed to have compatible
drives. And I paid too much for it, to boot! I would not be upset by this if
I were running Linux. I bought a Macintosh computer because I thought they
always had certified drivers for a small subset of equipment. I was even
willing to pay slightly more for that convenience. Now, the writing is on
the wall. I bet, it will be an expensive pain to replace my video card. I
will leave that for another day.


( Original Story URL at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9286 )





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  By href="mailto:danwelch-at-NOSPAM.mac.com">Dan Welch - Posted on 2004-12-30
08:50:40
at OSNews [http://www.osnews.com/]

This holiday season I was given some
Christmas money, and I wanted to purchase a DVD burner for my G4 Apple Macintosh
computer. When I purchased my computer, I was wise in buying a tower since they
are upgradeable, right? WRONG!

When I attempted to place an order for what
Apple calls a "Superdrive" they refused, stating that they do not carry them in
stock. After a very lengthy discussion, they sternly stated that the Apple store
does not sell them! I found this to be quite odd. I worked as a computer service
technician for over 10 years. I serviced every make and model machine from
Compaq, IBM, HP, Dell, and even a cheap no-name Korean brand that went out of
business, and none of them refused to sell me an internal drive of any kind,
EVER! I knew that the sales people might not have been properly trained, so I
decided to speak with Apple's service department. I thought that a certified
Apple service technician would be able to help me, WRONG! They stated that they
would not ship me a DVD drive because my machine was not originally purchased
with one. I retorted by asking them, could I buy a second "Superdrive" if my
machine came with one, then they said yes! However, I would have to order it
through a certified Apple Service Provider. Apparently, Apple does not provide
such a complicated, labor-intensive service. I called one store local to me, and
he stated that it would cost me $450.00 of my Christmas money!!!! WHAT?!?!?

I called Apple back, and I was forced to wait on hold for over 3 hours.
Finally I spoke with Apple's customer relations department. This policy must be
a mistake, as it is the worst possible experience I have ever had with a
computer vendor. I asked them why Apple is the only computer company on the face
of the planet that refuses to provide an upgrade part for their machines. They
completely refused to give an adequate answer , then gave no explanation, and no
recourse at all. They stated that I had to purchase a third party external
drive, but they are not compatible with Apple's iDVD software. They also stated
that any third party internal drive was not guaranteed to work with iDVD. Is
this application forever uselessly installed on my computer from the factory? I
will probably purchase a third party drive, and figure out a workaround like I
would for a Windows or Linux box, but if that is the case then why purchase a
Macintosh to begin with? I guess all of my technology friends were right when
they warned me before purchasing my machine. They would tell me, "Macintosh
computers can not be upgraded easily."


When I discussed this with other people, they said that they would never have
tried to buy a Superdrive from Apple, and that they would never try to buy an
upgrade component from any computer manufacturer. I received comments in an
e-mail such as this, "Why pay the extra money for nothing? So the fact that they
don't offer the drive as anything but a replacement part doesn't really surprise
me. However, the thing that really disgusts me is that they didn't tell you the
truth when you called: that you can buy a Superdrive from other vendors, and
that although they don't "support" other drives, a lot of them work just fine,
and work with iDVD, and the fact that they don't "support" them means that if
you can't get it working properly, you're not entitled to use your free Apple
tech support to try to get it working. So that's the truth, and they should have
told you that. Shame on them for giving you the runaround like they did.You can
go to dozens of resellers' web sites where they will sell you a Superdrive. 30
seconds on google found me one for $179. Other World Computing also has a bunch
of iDVD compatible drives".


My response is that they should support at least ONE updraded drive! That is
why I called them in the first place. Even Microsoft offers a hardware
compatibility list (HCL), for those devices that they support. If they only told
me, "the following drives are supported",and gave me a short list I would have
stoppped calling them.


I even had someone say that "From what I understand, with my experience with
DVD-+RW disks on OSX, the component of OSX that deals with optical drives,
simply, sucks.
That's the reason they prefer to not support at all third
party drives or just in conjuction with iDVD: because their generic driver for
them is not as reliable as it should, or as compatible.


On Apple's own website I posed this question to others. Here is the most
critical information that I found:

1) If you run into this problem, you
can read owner reviews of different drives -at- xlr8yourmac's href="http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso"
target=_blank>Drive Compatibility

[http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/search.drivedb.lasso] database. A
database that Apple should provide, if they are not going to sell you a working
drive.


2) After you find a working drive, then you might need href="http://www.patchburn.de/download.html" target=_blank>PatchBurn
[http://www.patchburn.de/download.html] to enable Finder & iApp support for
most 3rd party drives. It's better to stick with a vendor that Apple uses
(support is to strong a word) such as Pioneer, NEC, LG, Plextor, or LaCie.


3) Since 3rd party DVD-/+R/RW burners can be had for under $75 online,
it would make no sense to buy one from Apple for several hundred, even if you
could.
If you really want a drive with Apple-firmware (usually limits drive
performance) you can look on sites such as OtherWorldComputing; they often have
such drives for sale.
They recomended a DVR-108 or ND-3500A.


All this aside, this "work-around" process should not be happening for
machines that cost as much as $2000.00! I simply bought a DVR-107 out of
frustration from the first website I found that claimed to have compatible
drives. And I paid too much for it, to boot! I would not be upset by this if I
were running Linux. I bought a Macintosh computer because I thought they always
had certified drivers for a small subset of equipment. I was even willing to pay
slightly more for that convenience. Now, the writing is on the wall. I bet, it
will be an expensive pain to replace my video card. I will leave that for
another day.

( Original Story URL at
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9286 )















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  27. 2004-12-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting today?
  28. 2004-12-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: various kernel problems (SUSE-SA:2004:044)]
  29. 2004-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Urgent! I need an answer for the meeting ASAP.
  30. 2004-12-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Urgent! I need an answer for the meeting ASAP.
  31. 2004-12-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting?
  32. 2004-12-20 mlr52 <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] NY area high school art/design/media teacher contacts for workshop
  33. 2004-12-19 Evan Inker <einker-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Sunday Tech Night
  34. 2004-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: I would like to invite you to be aguest on my show. When you
  35. 2004-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] KDE
  36. 2004-12-19 Steve Lebetkin <SteveL-at-primagency.com> Subject: [hangout] KDE
  37. 2004-12-19 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Desktop FS System Software
  38. 2004-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop FS System Software
  39. 2004-12-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: Upcoming hearings by the New York City Council's Committee on Technology in Government (as of 12.17.04).]
  40. 2004-12-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Way too Weird!!!!
  41. 2004-12-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Way too Weird!!!!
  42. 2004-12-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lawsuit filed to prohibit copyright protection of software
  43. 2004-12-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Priorities for PR in Your New Year Plans (fwd)
  44. 2004-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Improving Job Market and the Linux Journal
  45. 2004-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Improving Job Market and the Linux Journal
  46. 2004-12-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [Politics] retired
  47. 2004-12-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: How smart is your right foot?
  48. 2004-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs Board
  49. 2004-12-13 wjc <wjc-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] rpmfind.net
  50. 2004-12-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] cross posting.
  51. 2004-12-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting machines)
  52. 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Great Article: Free as in Freedom - Part 1
  53. 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting
  54. 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting
  55. 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting
  56. 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting
  57. 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: why we need Free Software voting machines
  58. 2004-12-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL or Broadband
  59. 2004-12-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Why we need Free Software voting machines
  60. 2004-12-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DSL or Broadband
  61. 2004-12-10 Steve Lebetkin <SteveL-at-primagency.com> Subject: [hangout] paging Paul Robert Marino
  62. 2004-12-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Great Article: Free as in Freedom - Part 1
  63. 2004-12-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Getting back to you.
  64. 2004-12-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux class questions
  65. 2004-12-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Researchers warn laptop users of infertility risk
  66. 2004-12-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting
  67. 2004-12-09 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Board meeting
  68. 2004-12-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Introducing you to a new Linux Journal sister publi
  69. 2004-12-09 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Introducing you to a new Linux Journal sister publi
  70. 2004-12-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] NYC gets no respect...
  71. 2004-12-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Introducing you to a new Linux Journal sister publication
  72. 2004-12-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] A Chanuka Gift from the City of New York
  73. 2004-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A Chanuka Gift from the City of New York
  74. 2004-12-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] A Chanuka Gift from the City of New York
  75. 2004-12-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] A Chanuka Gift from the City of New York
  76. 2004-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC gets no respect...
  77. 2004-12-08 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!!
  78. 2004-12-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  79. 2004-12-07 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!!
  80. 2004-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Leads: Student Club
  81. 2004-12-07 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!!
  82. 2004-12-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!!
  83. 2004-12-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!!
  84. 2004-12-07 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!!
  85. 2004-12-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!!
  86. 2004-12-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!!
  87. 2004-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!!
  88. 2004-12-06 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  89. 2004-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Help with Open House set up
  90. 2004-12-06 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  91. 2004-12-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  92. 2004-12-05 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive
  93. 2004-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novel Review
  94. 2004-12-04 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [hangout] What would the definition of enterprise
  95. 2004-12-04 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] What would the definition of enterprise level
  96. 2004-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Holography and Computers
  97. 2004-12-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show
  98. 2004-12-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] I have an announcement message,
  99. 2004-12-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive
  100. 2004-12-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive
  101. 2004-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive
  102. 2004-12-02 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive
  103. 2004-12-02 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive
  104. 2004-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive
  105. 2004-12-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive
  106. 2004-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive
  107. 2004-12-02 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] New Website Advice
  108. 2004-12-02 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] leafleting report
  109. 2004-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Getting New Volunteers
  110. 2004-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kill all the Spammers
  111. 2004-12-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] What would the definition of enterprise level computing be?
  112. 2004-12-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] need car
  113. 2004-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] mp3 editing
  114. 2004-12-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tomorrow Morning
  115. 2004-12-01 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tomorrow Morning
  116. 2004-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux gains in data warehousing
  117. 2004-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Tomorrow Morning
  118. 2004-12-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What would the definition of enterprise level computing be?
  119. 2004-12-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (as of Nov. 30, 2004)
  120. 2004-12-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [FCNYC] Computer ONLY for non-profit!!!] (fwd)

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