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Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.11/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id iBC7Blkm021718 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:11:47 -0500 Received: (from mdom-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id iBC7BlNN021717 for hangouts-destenys; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:11:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: mdom set sender to owner-hangouts-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com using -f Received: from bsd4.nyct.net (mail-out.nyct.net [216.139.141.2]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.11/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id iBC7Blsn021712 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:11:47 -0500 Received: from bsd1.nyct.net (bsd1.nyct.net [216.139.147.7]) by bsd4.nyct.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBC7C4jt075241 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:12:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from adrba-at-nyct.net) Received: from localhost (adrba-at-localhost) by bsd1.nyct.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id iBC7C4An084699 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:12:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: bsd1.nyct.net: adrba owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:12:04 -0500 (EST) From: Contrarian To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Subject: Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting machines) In-Reply-To: <20041212015845.L83660-at-bsd1.nyct.net> Message-ID: <20041212021009.H84640-at-bsd1.nyct.net> References: <200412120637.iBC6bf2V082297-at-bsd1.nyct.net> <20041212014300.K82657-at-bsd1.nyct.net> <20041212015028.X83264-at-bsd1.nyct.net> <20041212015845.L83660-at-bsd1.nyct.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hangouts-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Contrarian List: New Yorker GNU Linux Scene Admin: To unsubscribe send unsubscribe name-at-domian.com in the body to hangout-request-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on www2.mrbrklyn.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,URI_REDIRECTOR autolearn=ham version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-Keywords: X-UID: 38881 Status: RO Content-Length: 2189 Lines: 50 More predictions of the current debacle, from someone with first-hand experience as a local office candidate: Mark my words: We will never know the true vote count next month on election day no matter how many times the ballots are run through a machine or how many lawsuits the Democrats file against the Republicans and visa versa. ... As someone who has run for public office, put their whole heart into the effort, along with all the volunteers and the financial generosity of so many, I would rather have waited four or five days for a real vote count than be cheated. I don't want election results at the speed of a button, I want a true vote count. ... A must is to get rid of the insidious Motor Voter Law of 1993. All states of the Union must purge their voting rolls and start over from scratch. There is a two year period between elections. That's more than enough time for anyone who has a real desire to vote, to obtain a certified birth certificate and personally get down to the county clerk's office to register. If someone can't find those few minutes over a two year period, then fine, keep them out of the voting booth. From: http://www.NewsWithViews/Devvy/kidd72.htm: More articles: Laying the Groundwork: A Study Of Voter Registration In Missouri http://cf.townhall.com/linkurl.cfm?http://www.centerforethics.org/VoterRegistrationStudy.htm Nearly 50,00 duplicate registrations: Florida Redux? http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2004/oct04/04-10-27.html Here's a Republican warning about technological deficiencies, in May: Don't Let Judges Jimmy Elections http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2004/may04/04-05-12.html The most serious risk: The Scam of Voting by Noncitizens and Felons http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2004/aug04/04-08-18.html If this isn't fixed, the system will be broken. Carrying out the Mandate: Get Borders and Illegal Immigration Under Control http://cf.townhall.com/linkurl.cfm?http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=5718 ____________________________ NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc 2004-12-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 'Free' Software Isn't Free (Article) 2004-12-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Suffering the Swings and Arrows of Outrageous Customer Service! 2004-12-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In lui of a board meeting, some suggestions 2004-12-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Dual-booting multiple Linux distros 2004-12-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS: Non-profit Status 2004-12-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [googlealerts-noreply-at-google.com: Google Alert - Linux] 2004-12-28 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] On the heels of the FireFox removal thing. 2004-12-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: Re: [NMLUG] Microsoft still up to tricks 2004-12-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Fw: Re: [NMLUG] Microsoft still up to tricks 2004-12-28 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: Re: [NMLUG] Microsoft still up to tricks 2004-12-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] A Moment to Pause 2004-12-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Steinbeck's hometown to close libraries 2004-12-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sprucing up open source's GPL foundation 2004-12-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Technite 2004-12-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite 2004-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] jobs3 2004-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs2 2004-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs 2004-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software in Primary School Education 2004-12-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] supplies 2004-12-23 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [hangout] supplies 2004-12-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] supplies 2004-12-23 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [hangout] supplies 2004-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lost works from the web 2004-12-23 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] unsubscribe 2004-12-23 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] unsubscribe 2004-12-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting today? 2004-12-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [meissner-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: various kernel problems (SUSE-SA:2004:044)] 2004-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Urgent! I need an answer for the meeting ASAP. 2004-12-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Urgent! I need an answer for the meeting ASAP. 2004-12-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting? 2004-12-20 mlr52 <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] NY area high school art/design/media teacher contacts for workshop 2004-12-19 Evan Inker <einker-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Sunday Tech Night 2004-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: I would like to invite you to be aguest on my show. When you 2004-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] KDE 2004-12-19 Steve Lebetkin <SteveL-at-primagency.com> Subject: [hangout] KDE 2004-12-19 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Desktop FS System Software 2004-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Desktop FS System Software 2004-12-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: Upcoming hearings by the New York City Council's Committee on Technology in Government (as of 12.17.04).] 2004-12-17 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Way too Weird!!!! 2004-12-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Way too Weird!!!! 2004-12-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Lawsuit filed to prohibit copyright protection of software 2004-12-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Priorities for PR in Your New Year Plans (fwd) 2004-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Improving Job Market and the Linux Journal 2004-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Improving Job Market and the Linux Journal 2004-12-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [Politics] retired 2004-12-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: How smart is your right foot? 2004-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs Board 2004-12-13 wjc <wjc-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] rpmfind.net 2004-12-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] cross posting. 2004-12-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting machines) 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Great Article: Free as in Freedom - Part 1 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting 2004-12-12 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: why we need Free Software voting machines 2004-12-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DSL or Broadband 2004-12-11 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Why we need Free Software voting machines 2004-12-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DSL or Broadband 2004-12-10 Steve Lebetkin <SteveL-at-primagency.com> Subject: [hangout] paging Paul Robert Marino 2004-12-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Great Article: Free as in Freedom - Part 1 2004-12-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Getting back to you. 2004-12-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux class questions 2004-12-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Researchers warn laptop users of infertility risk 2004-12-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting 2004-12-09 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Board meeting 2004-12-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Introducing you to a new Linux Journal sister publi 2004-12-09 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Introducing you to a new Linux Journal sister publi 2004-12-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] NYC gets no respect... 2004-12-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Introducing you to a new Linux Journal sister publication 2004-12-09 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] A Chanuka Gift from the City of New York 2004-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A Chanuka Gift from the City of New York 2004-12-08 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] A Chanuka Gift from the City of New York 2004-12-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] A Chanuka Gift from the City of New York 2004-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC gets no respect... 2004-12-08 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!! 2004-12-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today] 2004-12-07 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!! 2004-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Leads: Student Club 2004-12-07 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!! 2004-12-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!! 2004-12-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!! 2004-12-07 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!! 2004-12-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!! 2004-12-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!! 2004-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House CONGRADS!!! 2004-12-06 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging David Sugar 2004-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Help with Open House set up 2004-12-06 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today 2004-12-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today 2004-12-05 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive 2004-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novel Review 2004-12-04 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [hangout] What would the definition of enterprise 2004-12-04 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] What would the definition of enterprise level 2004-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Holography and Computers 2004-12-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Radio Show 2004-12-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] I have an announcement message, 2004-12-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive 2004-12-03 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive 2004-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive 2004-12-02 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive 2004-12-02 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive 2004-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive 2004-12-02 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive 2004-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House and Classes Drive 2004-12-02 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] New Website Advice 2004-12-02 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] leafleting report 2004-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Getting New Volunteers 2004-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kill all the Spammers 2004-12-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] What would the definition of enterprise level computing be? 2004-12-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] need car 2004-12-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] mp3 editing 2004-12-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tomorrow Morning 2004-12-01 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting Tomorrow Morning 2004-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux gains in data warehousing 2004-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting Tomorrow Morning 2004-12-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What would the definition of enterprise level computing be? 2004-12-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council (as of Nov. 30, 2004) 2004-12-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [FCNYC] Computer ONLY for non-profit!!!] (fwd) NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! 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