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DATE | 2004-12-12 |
FROM | Contrarian
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SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting
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From owner-hangouts-destenys-at-mrbrklyn.com Sun Dec 12 02:03:40 2004 X-UIDL: "De"!=G)!!gAA"!I:k!! Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.11/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id iBC73e3G021396 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:03:40 -0500 Received: (from mdom-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id iBC73dmh021395 for hangouts-destenys; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:03:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: mdom set sender to owner-hangouts-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com using -f Received: from bsd4.nyct.net (mail-out.nyct.net [216.139.141.2]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.11/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id iBC73cgX021390 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:03:39 -0500 Received: from bsd1.nyct.net (bsd1.nyct.net [216.139.147.7]) by bsd4.nyct.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBC73uxF066111 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:03:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from adrba-at-nyct.net) Received: from localhost (adrba-at-localhost) by bsd1.nyct.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id iBC73uIB084060 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:03:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: bsd1.nyct.net: adrba owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:03:56 -0500 (EST) From: Contrarian To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Subject: Re: [hangout] Voting (was:Re: why we need Free Software voting machines) In-Reply-To: <20041212015028.X83264-at-bsd1.nyct.net> Message-ID: <20041212015845.L83660-at-bsd1.nyct.net> References: <200412120637.iBC6bf2V082297-at-bsd1.nyct.net> <20041212014300.K82657-at-bsd1.nyct.net> <20041212015028.X83264-at-bsd1.nyct.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hangouts-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Contrarian List: New Yorker GNU Linux Scene Admin: To unsubscribe send unsubscribe name-at-domian.com in the body to hangout-request-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on www2.mrbrklyn.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-Keywords: X-UID: 38883 Status: RO Content-Length: 1445 Lines: 41
Adam, do you have an author name for the Counterpunch article? Anyway, regarding Free Software, you are entirely right, I just don't think that is a strong enough measure. When the voting error issue first began to be discussed on local lists I thought it was it was an activist side-show without any merit. I was wrong, as a little research (on c.r. and else where) showed me. But the remedy isn't better software I think it's no software.
>From Mike Bacarelly on the nylug-talk list:
:Nothing that I've seen regarding either election has :convinced me that the issues and controversy are due to :technical failures. Quite the opposite --they've been :administrative failures.
:Where I voted in New York, they had mechanical voting :machines that did basically everything a voting machine should. :It clearly showed the options, only allowed me to make no vote :or a valid vote (wouldn't let me vote for more than one :candidate per position), and had very discrete start/done :operations.
:As far as I'm concerned, this is the ideal. Putting a :computer inside these machines increases their chances :of failure and the risk of tampering by a gajillion :bajillion percent.
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