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DATE | 2015-02-12 |
FROM | Rick Moen
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SUBJECT | Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] On the art of mailing lists
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From owner-hangout-outgoing-at-mrbrklyn.com Thu Feb 12 02:47:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) id 76BD5161303; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 02:47:52 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: hangout-outgoing-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 28) id 67421161305; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 02:47:52 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Received: from linuxmafia.com (linuxmafia.COM [198.144.195.186]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B4E161303 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 02:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from rick by linuxmafia.com with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1YLoV3-0003gU-3q for hangout-at-nylxs.com; Wed, 11 Feb 2015 23:47:49 -0800 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 23:47:49 -0800 From: Rick Moen To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] On the art of mailing lists Message-ID: <20150212074749.GH10984-at-linuxmafia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already. X-Mas: Bah humbug. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: rick-at-linuxmafia.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on linuxmafia.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Ruben mentioned this mailing list by its LHS name only ('hangout' \n 'NYLXS') on Don Marti's linux-elitists mailing list. (Gosh, Ruben, a URL was too much trouble?)
I looked around. I found http://www.nylxs.com/mailing.html . It says:
> The Main NYLXS Mailing List is Hangout. [...]
1. Page doesn't say what the actual mailing list address is. This omission is a significant error, and should be fixed. There's a form to subscribe. Used that. No feedback whatsoever about what the mailing list address is.
2. Got a confirm mail from Majordomo-Owner-at-mrbrklyn.com. Oh, so maybe it's hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com or hangout-at-lists.rbrklyn.com. Can't tell yet. But we're already up to two Internet domains.
Oh, wait, the body of the confirmation message says:
Someone (possibly you) has requested that your email address be added to or deleted from the mailing list "hangout-at-www.mrbrklyn.com".
If you really want this action to be taken, please send the following commands (exactly as shown) back to "Majordomo-at-www.mrbrklyn.com":
Ah, now we're up to three hostnames, and it's increasingly unclear what the actual mailing list address is, as nothing clarifies that. This omission is a significant error, and should be fixed.
3. Sent confirmation. Got welcome message. Which doesn't state what the mailing list addresss is. This omission is a significant error, and should be fixed.
4. Not very coincidentally, Ruben posted just after I joined. Ah, the haplessly inept failure to state the mailing list address will be mitigated, right. Sort of.
Let's look at Ruben's headers. Those should clarify things:
To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Message-ID: <20150212071444.GC16612-at-www.mrbrklyn.com> Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Reply-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Wow, that's just totally messed up -- not even counting the acute embarrassment of Reply-To munging in 2015.
Ruben, you should make up your mind what the mailing list's address is, and make your MLM and MTA use it.
I suspect you've never fixed this and never will, ultimately because you don't care. Which is sad.
-- Cheers, If you're going to play the game properly, Rick Moen you'd better know every rule. rick-at-linuxmafia.com -- Sen. Barbara Jordan (D-Texas) McQ! (4x80)
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