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MESSAGE
DATE 2017-06-11
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] PBMs and Rebates... lets not just blame Abbott
http://www.pharmacytimes.com/blogs/pharmacists-united-for-truth-and-transparency/1211/what-the-pbms-arent-telling-the-press-and-employers-about-rebates

What the PBMs Aren't Telling the Press and Employers about Rebates
DECEMBER 01, 2011
As we expected, PBMs are trying to confuse the employers and the press
about how the Lipitor rebate situation will play out. Rebates are one of
the least transparent transactions that the PBMs control. Employers have
been erroneously trained by their consultants to focus on “guaranteed”
rebate dollars, instead of demanding that the employer get ALL of the
rebate money. By bringing the Lipitor rebate out in the sunlight,
Pharmacists United for Truth and Transparency has begun to expose how
rebates can help increase the PBM’s bottom line at the employer’s expense.

To fully understand how the PBMs Lipitor rebate schemes will cost the
employer more than the generic, we will describe in depth how the
current rebate system plays out in the self insured employer market.

Rebate terms are agreed upon at the time the employer/PBM contract
is signed. Contracts are typically 3-year terms.
Rebates are NOT drug specific, they are claim-specific. This helps
the PBM avoid transparency by not having to account for each rebate for
each drug.
Rebate language generally takes one of two forms (paraphrased):
“Employer’s drug plan rebates will consist of $3 per brand and generic
drug claim” (all claims) OR “Employer’s drug plan rebates will consist
of $17 per brand name drug” (rebatable claims)
When the PBM obtains rebate dollars in excess of what is
“guaranteed”, the PBM retains all of those dollars.
PBMs will also engage in semantics games with the drug manufacturer
to hide rebate dollars. For example rather than have the drug
manufacturer provide a $50 rebate for a drug, the manufacturer will
reclassify a portion of those dollars, say $35 as a “formulary fee” or
“administrative” of “anything other than a rebate” and $15 as a
“rebate”. In this example the employer will then only get a portion of
the $15 “rebate” when they should be getting $50.

In the case of Lipitor, because the generic is expected to be about $35
cheaper than the brand (during the first 180 days), the existing rebate
money contract language will not likely be enough to make up the
difference in cost to the employer between the brand and generic. Unless
there is a specific contract addendum in place to address the Lipitor
rebate, the employer’s PBM contract will only entitle them to the
rebates they agreed to at the beginning of the contract (between $3-$17
per brand name claim on average).

What do we know about the Lipitor situation from the PBM documents?

The rebate from Pfizer to the PBMs is about $47 per Lipitor script
filled.
The difference in cost between brand and generic Lipitor is $35
If the employer receives less than $35 plus the copay differential
in additional rebate money from terms of their original rebate contract,
they are losing money on each Lipitor script filled by their employees.

What about the effect of reduced Lipitor copays?

When copays are reduced, the employer’s costs are INCREASED.

Example A. $155 drug with a $40 copay costs the employer $115
$155 (drug cost) - $40 (copay) = $115 (employer cost)

Example B. $155 drug with a $10 (generic) copay costs the employer $145
($30 MORE)
$155 (drug cost) - $10 (copay) = $145 (employer cost)

Many employer decision makers (Human Resource Directors/CFOs) are
unaware that reducing copays increases employer’s cost (this also
applies to mail order incentives).

Putting it all together:
Even if the employer is able to get every dollar of rebate provided by
Pfizer to the PBM (based on Catalyst’s number), the employer will still
be paying MORE for Lipitor than if they had simply obtained the lower
cost generic available.

Self insured employer groups will need to be made aware of that they
must stay on top of the various deals and schemes being put together
between Pfizer, the PBMs, and the Insurance carriers.

The employers need to be on the phone with their benefits consultants
and demanding that the PBM provide the following:

A readily available and easily auditable accounting of all Lipitor
prescriptions filled during the first 180 days of generic Lipitor’s
availability
A written guarantee that the employer’s net cost for brand Lipitor
will be lower than the generics available after reduced copays and
rebates are calculated
Financial penalties, including contract termination without penalty
if the cost of Lipitor is higher than the generic

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  107. 2017-06-23 Kevin Zheng <kevinz5000-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [crossfire] Release proposal
  108. 2017-06-23 Matthew Giassa <matthew-at-giassa.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [crossfire] Release proposal
  109. 2017-06-23 Preston Crow <pc-crossfire06-at-crowcastle.net> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [crossfire] Crossfire maps idea
  110. 2017-06-23 David Hurst <davidnicholashurst-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [crossfire] Release proposal
  111. 2017-06-23 Rick Tanner <leaf-at-real-time.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [crossfire] Release proposal
  112. 2017-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [crossfire] Release proposal
  113. 2017-06-23 From: "Meaningful Beauty" <MeaningfulBeauty-at-islerpatto.stream> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Youthful looking Skin + Free-Shipping
  114. 2017-06-23 David Hurst <davidnicholashurst-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [crossfire] Release proposal
  115. 2017-06-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] TED on the threat of AI in the Military
  116. 2017-06-26 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #309 - csvgrep and the recipe for
  117. 2017-06-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fishing images
  118. 2017-06-26 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [security-announce] SUSE-SU-2017:1669-1:
  119. 2017-06-26 opensuse-security-at-opensuse.org Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [security-announce] openSUSE-SU-2017:1685-1:
  120. 2017-06-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fishing images
  121. 2017-06-26 Rick Tanner <leaf-at-real-time.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [crossfire] Release proposal
  122. 2017-06-26 Rick Tanner <leaf-at-real-time.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [crossfire] Expanded World Map (was: Release
  123. 2017-06-26 Rick Tanner <leaf-at-real-time.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [crossfire] Crossfire maps idea
  124. 2017-06-27 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Score: 9 - 0 ! WIN ! on SCOTUS
  125. 2017-06-23 From: "NYU Langone Careers" <nyumccareers-at-symphonytalent.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Follow up from NYU Langone Medical Center
  126. 2017-06-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] family in need
  127. 2017-06-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] A train derailment
  128. 2017-06-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] A train derailment
  129. 2017-06-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Must See website
  130. 2017-06-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] A train derailment
  131. 2017-06-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: [manjaro-general] Manjaro-Architect ISO
  132. 2017-06-29 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] time to put down the phone
  133. 2017-06-29 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lottery programmer rigs systems in 4 states,
  134. 2017-06-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Dinosaur found in Amber

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