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-----Original Message-----
From: Inker, Evan [mailto:EInker-at-gam.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:49 AM
To: 'hangout-at-nylxs.com'
Subject: [hangout] Adobe dipping toes into desktop Linux waters




Adobe dipping toes into desktop Linux waters


By Stephen Shankland
http://news.com.com/Adobe+dipping+toes+into+desktop+Linux+waters/2100-7344_3
-5435397.html
3-5435397.html?tag=prntfr>

Story last modified November 3, 2004, 4:00 AM PST
Adobe Systems, maker of major desktop software products such as Photoshop
and Acrobat Reader, has begun a quiet effort to become more involved with
desktop Linux.

Adobe has largely been on the sidelines of efforts to boost Linux for
desktop computers, the vast majority of which run Microsoft Windows. The
software maker is now taking a more active role by joining a prominent Linux
consortium, working to improve Linux and planning to lead its own
open-source development projects, CNET News.com has learned.

Two job postings reveal some of the company's intentions. Adobe wants to
hire a director of Linux market development to "identify and evaluate
strategies for Adobe in the Linux and open-source desktop market" and to
identify projects that "will help improve Linux as a desktop environment."
The employee also will "develop strong business relationships with leading
Linux distributors and partners."

News.context


What's new:
Adobe has joined a prominent Linux consortium and is launching efforts to
improve the operating system.

Bottom line:
Adobe isn't committing to bring its graphics software to Linux, but the
company's more direct involvement reflects the growing significance of the
operating system for desktop computers.

In addition, Adobe seeks a senior computer scientist who will "become
maintainer and/or architect for one or more Adobe-sponsored open-source
projects." Hosting open-source projects has become a rite of passage for
companies--IBM, Sun Microsystems and even Microsoft--hoping to sample and
perhaps take advantage of the collaborative programming philosophy.

Adobe has joined the Open
102-7344_3-5435397&ontId=7343&lop=nl_ex> Source Development Labs, the
industry consortium that employs Linux founder and leader Linus Torvalds.
Adobe is active in OSDL's desktop
344_3-5106119.html?tag=nl> Linux working group, according to a source
familiar with Adobe's efforts.

The San Jose, Calif., company confirmed its OSDL membership but wouldn't
comment on most of its Linux desktop software plans. However, Pam Deziel, an
Adobe director of product marketing, did say the company doesn't think there
are enough customers today to justify selling Linux versions of its flagship
Photoshop or Illustrator graphics programs.

"From a technical maturity perspective, the (Linux) platform is robust,"
Deziel said. "From a business perspective, the platform has probably not
achieved a scale that is aligned with most of Adobe's markets."

Although Linux has caught on for some workstation applications such as
programming or processor design, Jupiter analyst Michael Gartenberg doesn't
see Linux as a good idea for graphics software sellers today.

"I would see it being very difficult to sell those applications. At the
low-end side, there are simply too many free apps with similar
functionality, and at the high-end side, the market is very small,"
Gartenberg said. "People willing to pay $500 to $800 for an application
usually have no problem running Mac OS or Windows."

In one more limited area, Deziel said, customers are interested, though: an
updated Linux version of Acrobat Reader, which is used to view Portable
Document Format (PDF) files. "We would like the version of the Linux reader
to be updated from 5.0, and we're working on that," she said. Adobe offers
version 6.0.1 for Windows users today.

Linux rising
There is growing activity in the desktop Linux market. Hewlett-Packard, the
No. 2 PC seller, shipped about 200,000 PCs loaded with Linux in its most
recent quarter, a rate that's double what it sold a year earlier, said
Jeffrey Wade, HP's manager of worldwide Linux marketing.

"The success on the server side has been so great that these customers are
looking for opportunities on the desktop as well," Wade said. HP predicts
that desktop Linux will outship Mac OS in 2004, though it won't come
anywhere near Window's market share of more than 90 percent, he added.

Red Hat, the top seller of Linux, has chiefly focused on selling the
operating system for use on powerful networked computers called servers.
However, with growing interest in alternatives to Windows for PCs, the
company this year launched
5117.html?tag=nl> Red Hat Desktop.

No. 2 Linux seller Novell views desktop versions of its SuSE
39632.html?tag=nl> Linux software as a means of gaining an edge over Red
Hat. This month, the company is expected to begin selling Sundance
00555.html?tag=nl> , a version that merges SuSE Linux features with software
from Ximian
0.html?tag=nl> , another Linux software company the Waltham, Mass., company
acquired.

And buying trends are changing. Previously, most desktop Linux interest was
in Asia, but new growth is cropping up in the West. About 35 percent of HP's
desktop Linux shipments go to Europe and 15 percent to North America, Wade
said.

Dell, the top PC seller, is less eager about the desktop Linux market. Among
Dell customers, interest on desktop Linux is "very limited, but we are
getting some questions on that," said Steve Felice, vice president of Dell
America's corporate business group.

But there are barriers to people interested in making the switch: Software,
training and support are expensive, Felice said. "For companies with tens of
thousands of employees, migrating them all is a costly exercise," he said.

Adobe has products that run on servers, such as its LiveCycle document
management applications that are available for Linux. But Adobe is noting
the fact that the operating system is spreading more broadly to smart phones
and other devices.

"Linux is an interesting and emerging platform in a number of form factors,
from servers to mobile devices," Deziel said.





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desktop Linux shipments go to Europe and 15 percent to North America, Wade
said.



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the top PC seller, is less eager about the desktop Linux market. Among Dell
customers, interest on desktop Linux is "very limited, but we are gett=
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some questions on that," said Steve Felice, vice president of Dell
America's corporate business group.



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training and support are expensive, Felice said. "For companies with t=
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of thousands of employees, migrating them all is a costly exercise," h=
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said.



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applications that are available for Linux. But Adobe is noting the fact tha=
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devices.



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servers to mobile devices," Deziel said.



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  15. 2004-11-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. Nov. 11, 2004 Davydd Harries on Languages in Fre
  16. 2004-11-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell launches an enterprise Linux desktop
  17. 2004-11-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] tech night
  18. 2004-11-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] tech night
  19. 2004-11-06 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] More FS jobs
  20. 2004-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More FS jobs
  21. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell counters Microsoft's Linux 'facts' with 'truth'
  22. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open-source advocate Chris Stone unexpectedly leaves Novell
  23. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Warnings On New Phishing Threat Nov. 3, 2004
  24. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Keep an Eye on Your Linux Systems with Netstat
  25. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Important Message: BOYCOTT LINUXTODAY.COM
  26. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Website Advice
  27. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Ruben, we are looking for a Linux guru to work at our company!
  28. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House - Date
  29. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Open House - Date
  30. 2004-11-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Open House - Date
  31. 2004-11-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Open House - Date
  32. 2004-11-04 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] New Website Advice
  33. 2004-11-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] New Website Advice
  34. 2004-11-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House - Date
  35. 2004-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  36. 2004-11-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Adobe dipping toes into desktop Linux waters
  37. 2004-11-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] business (fwd)
  38. 2004-11-03 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Adobe dipping toes into desktop Linux waters
  39. 2004-11-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] business (fwd)
  40. 2004-11-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  41. 2004-11-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] business (fwd)
  42. 2004-11-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  43. 2004-11-02 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  44. 2004-11-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: ACSS CT and NYC Meeting: JPEGs, Viruses and Your System's
  45. 2004-11-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  46. 2004-11-01 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  47. 2004-11-01 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [hangout] Suse cd
  48. 2004-11-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  49. 2004-11-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [FCNYC] Computer ONLY for non-profit!!!] (fwd)
  50. 2004-11-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft upgrade knocks out 80,000 government PCs
  51. 2004-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Some good political action advise
  52. 2004-11-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  53. 2004-11-29 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  54. 2004-11-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  55. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  56. 2004-11-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  57. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RUBEN! I borrowered your Klezmagic CD and copied it! Not Your Scotch. Please do not call the Cops!
  58. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House Materials
  59. 2004-11-28 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] RUBEN! I borrowered your Klezmagic CD and copied it! Not Your Scotch.
  60. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  61. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  62. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] need car
  63. 2004-11-28 bluecitabria <bluecitabria-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] unsubscribe
  64. 2004-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] need car
  65. 2004-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] need car
  66. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New trolling sight for the argumentitive
  67. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novel Desktop Linux
  68. 2004-11-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In NY, Money Can't Buy Love But Gets a Foot in Door (fwd)
  69. 2004-11-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Linux (fwd)
  70. 2004-11-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers]
  71. 2004-11-26 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  72. 2004-11-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  73. 2004-11-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  74. 2004-11-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Thanks Giving Day Wishes
  75. 2004-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  76. 2004-11-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  77. 2004-11-24 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  78. 2004-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  79. 2004-11-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  80. 2004-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  81. 2004-11-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  82. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Em
  83. 2004-11-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Emplyees, Consultants, and Business Owners
  84. 2004-11-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Em
  85. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Emplyees, Consultants, and Business Owners
  86. 2004-11-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  87. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  88. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  89. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Pick Up
  90. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  91. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  92. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  93. 2004-11-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  94. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  95. 2004-11-23 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  96. 2004-11-23 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  97. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  98. 2004-11-23 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  99. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [MLUG] November 13, 2004 Meeting Notes
  100. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  101. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  102. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  103. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  104. 2004-11-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  105. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  106. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  107. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  108. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute: Classes
  109. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Skills become more valuable
  110. 2004-11-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  111. 2004-11-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] "Linux World" - Time for a Boycott
  112. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  113. 2004-11-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Be Happy!
  114. 2004-11-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  115. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  116. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  117. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  118. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  119. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Local Press
  120. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Local Press
  121. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] "Linux World" - Time for a Boycott
  122. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO and and FUD leads to resignations
  123. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Archive
  124. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] flyers
  125. 2004-11-21 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] flyers
  126. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  127. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  128. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  129. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  130. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  131. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  132. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  133. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  134. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  135. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  136. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  137. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  138. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  139. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  140. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  141. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  142. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  143. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  144. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Trimming an MP3
  145. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  146. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  147. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  148. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  149. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  150. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  151. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  152. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tonights NYLXS Radio Show - Reading Tea Leaves in Corperate IT
  153. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Nukes Needed for ME
  154. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Call me 1-718-715-1771
  155. 2004-11-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  156. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  157. 2004-11-19 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  158. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  159. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  160. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk t o the New York Linux Scene]
  161. 2004-11-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk t o
  162. 2004-11-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun's Solaris 10 Launch - The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly
  163. 2004-11-19 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  164. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk to the New York Linux Scene]
  165. 2004-11-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  166. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [moyses-at-inpa.gov.br: How to join?]
  167. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  168. 2004-11-18 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  169. 2004-11-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement
  170. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  171. 2004-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Learning all about Linux
  172. 2004-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Saturday Night
  173. 2004-11-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC'S SECRET GUIDE ON FIRING TEACHERS
  174. 2004-11-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Fedora Core 3 vs. Suse 9.2 Professional
  175. 2004-11-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need suggestions. 3D development software for Linux/Unix.
  176. 2004-11-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  177. 2004-11-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fwd: NY Holiday Event
  178. 2004-11-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  179. 2004-11-16 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] Need suggestions. 3D development software for Linux/Unix.
  180. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: OpenOffice
  181. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Open House Schedule and Preparation
  182. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  183. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: OpenOffice
  184. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House Schedule and Preparation
  185. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  186. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  187. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  188. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fwd: NY Holiday Event
  189. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  190. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Worse than Al-Quada!
  191. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your Final Notice of Domain Extension]
  192. 2004-11-15 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  193. 2004-11-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  194. 2004-11-15 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  195. 2004-11-15 Walt Costanza <wjc-at-retsambew.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your Final Notice of Domain Extension]
  196. 2004-11-15 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..

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