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DATE 2004-11-28
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Desktop Linux: Novell leads from the front
Andrew Donoghue
ZDNet UK
April 19, 2004, 11:55 GMT

As CIO for Novell, Debra Anderson is in tricky situation. She may be
head of internal technology at a technology provider but her software
and hardware decisions have very real external ramifications for a
company keen to be seen as 'eating its own dog food'.

Anderson's latest mission is to deliver on a commitment made by Novell
senior management in March to migrate the majority of the company's
5,000 users from Windows and Office to open-source alternatives.

The company's chief executive Jack Messman recognises the importance of
being seen to lead from the front when encouraging users to ditch the
tried and semi-trusted world of Microsoft for the disruptive and unknown
world of desktops running Linux and and OpenOffice, which is an
open-source alternative to Microsoft's Office application.

ZDNet UK found some time in Anderson's hectic schedule to get some
details on moving an entire enterprise worth of desktops onto a
relatively untried platform.

Why is this migration being done? What is it about the Linux desktop
that makes this migration so compelling and worthwhile?
Frankly I think we are moving to the Linux desktop for two reasons. One
is corporate strategy but if I put my CIO hat on and say 'why would I do
this', then for me it's about flexibility, choice, security. There is a
lot that Linux has to offer that Microsoft says it's doing, but the more
I read the more it seems what they're supposed to be coming up with is
late.

So what is the timeframe for the migration from Office and Windows to
Open Office running on the Linux desktop?
The aim is to have 90 percent of Novell on OpenOffice by the end of
July. We are well on track for that. We think it's very important to
give everyone a hands-on feel for open-source software and take it
department by department, rather than rolling it out in a big disruptive
way. As we go we are finding more and more material to help them
migrate.

We took a rough guess of what the training costs would be for each
person in the company and we are actually not finding it to be as big as
we expected it to be, which is great.

So why just 90 percent of the company - what is the other 10 percent
doing?
So, right now there are a few functional issues such as Excel Macros
that are not supported in OpenOffice quite as well as we'd like but we
know that there is work on the way to close that gap. I think as we go
ahead with this we will find little pockets where it just doesn't make
sense to migrate for the sake of it.

Ok - so what's the timeframe to migrate off of Windows onto the Linux
desktop?
So, our next big milestone is to get 50 percent of the organisation over
to the Linux desktop by the end of October 2004. We are again tracking
really well with that and have got a large core of users internally who
have already made that leap. We also created an early adopter program
with our hardcore technology people at the end of last year - actually
before the Suse acquisition so I guess I read the tea leaves right on
that one. We started the early adopter programme last October to seek
volunteers to actually work with us --- we've got about a 1,000 people
on board at the moment -- and again it is going really well and I think
we have identified a lot of the application issues.

So roughly how many desktops are there in Novell?
Well being a very technical company we have about two-point-something
machines per person - which is not typical of a traditional enterprise
but it's still going well.

One of the things I talk to CIOs about is critical success factors and
right now one of those is not to treat it like a traditional IT project.
For me the reason not to treat it like a traditional project is that on
a usual project then the IT team would be off for six to nine months
really testing everything. For this what we did was say 'Join with us',
this is a disruptive technology without an established road-map so we
need volunteers to help weather some of the initial stages.

How much is the migration a marketing decision and how much is it really
about technology?
I have spent most of my career working for non-technical companies, so
would I have done this migration if I didn't work for Novell? Well, yes
but I would have probably done it differently. I would probably have
done a bigger pilot project but only because we are still at the very
early part of the development curve of the technology.

But who made the decision to go with this migration - Jack Messman?
Well that would be the perception but we started the early adopter
programme last year without Jack and before we bought SuSE.

Is the long-term aim of this project to get to a point where there is no
Microsoft software being used in Novell?
We are a cross-platform provider and as such we continue to use
Microsoft software and the desktop is an important part of that. I think
for our customers who are continuing to use Microsoft desktop and maybe
using Zenworks as part of their solution, it's important that we
continue to reassure them that we are supporting that.

How is it working out winding up the Microsoft licences you do have –
are they making that an easy thing for you to do?
It's interesting you ask that -- we just concluded our licences in
March. That was our annual contract with Microsoft and we terminated the
Microsoft OS and Office enterprise licence.

That was across the entire organisation?
What that means is that for all the OSes I have, I do not have upgrade
rights. Now I still have perpetual use for the set number of Microsoft
Office clients I purchased.

So I've read that you expect to save about $900,000 (£497,594) from the
Microsoft licensing issue but do you think there will be any costs
associated with the migration -- around hardware for instance?


As we expand the desktop rollout across the company I expect to find
areas of the company that may have equipment that is six years old or
more, and I will have to address that, but I don't know if I wouldn't
have been upgrading that equipment anyway.

Do you see Novell developing any commercial migration tools of the back
of this internal project?
Yes, definitely, and that is happening on the services side too. If you
go online right now and look at the offerings from our consulting group,
we have a desktop and a server migration offering and they are
developing these methodologies based on what we are doing internally.

So from a services perspective do you think you would have been able to
go to customers and say 'we'll help you migrate from Windows' if you
hadn't done this internally first? Did you really have any choice but to
do this?
That's an interesting question. We certainly could have done but we
would have partnered with whoever that first customer would have been.
But as it is, my role is more than the traditional internal CIO role and
it is to often be that first customer whom we think is very important in
the whole development process.

So is it possibly to quantify exactly how many of the 5,000-plus users
will be running Windows and Office this time next year?
It's very difficult to say as we are a cross-platform provider so we
will never get 100 per cent of staff. My measurements are a bit cloudy
from that standpoint. But if we are talking about enterprise desktops
then hopefully six months on from this October – say mid 2005 then we
should have the majority of desktops moved. It will never be that clear
cut because you can have some machines that are portioned and running
Linux and Windows. Success for me would be in say April 2005 if those
people running portioned desktops [with Windows and Linux] were only
actually using the Linux portion of their machine.

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  83. 2004-11-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Emplyees, Consultants, and Business Owners
  84. 2004-11-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Em
  85. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Emplyees, Consultants, and Business Owners
  86. 2004-11-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  87. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  88. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  89. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Pick Up
  90. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  91. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  92. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  93. 2004-11-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  94. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  95. 2004-11-23 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  96. 2004-11-23 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  97. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  98. 2004-11-23 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  99. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [MLUG] November 13, 2004 Meeting Notes
  100. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  101. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  102. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  103. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  104. 2004-11-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  105. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  106. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  107. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  108. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute: Classes
  109. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Skills become more valuable
  110. 2004-11-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  111. 2004-11-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] "Linux World" - Time for a Boycott
  112. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  113. 2004-11-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Be Happy!
  114. 2004-11-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  115. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  116. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  117. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  118. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  119. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Local Press
  120. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Local Press
  121. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] "Linux World" - Time for a Boycott
  122. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO and and FUD leads to resignations
  123. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Archive
  124. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] flyers
  125. 2004-11-21 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] flyers
  126. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  127. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  128. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  129. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  130. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  131. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  132. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  133. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  134. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  135. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  136. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  137. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  138. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  139. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  140. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  141. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  142. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  143. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  144. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Trimming an MP3
  145. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  146. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  147. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  148. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  149. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  150. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  151. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  152. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tonights NYLXS Radio Show - Reading Tea Leaves in Corperate IT
  153. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Nukes Needed for ME
  154. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Call me 1-718-715-1771
  155. 2004-11-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  156. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  157. 2004-11-19 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  158. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  159. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  160. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk t o the New York Linux Scene]
  161. 2004-11-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk t o
  162. 2004-11-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun's Solaris 10 Launch - The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly
  163. 2004-11-19 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  164. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk to the New York Linux Scene]
  165. 2004-11-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  166. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [moyses-at-inpa.gov.br: How to join?]
  167. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  168. 2004-11-18 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  169. 2004-11-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement
  170. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  171. 2004-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Learning all about Linux
  172. 2004-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Saturday Night
  173. 2004-11-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC'S SECRET GUIDE ON FIRING TEACHERS
  174. 2004-11-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Fedora Core 3 vs. Suse 9.2 Professional
  175. 2004-11-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need suggestions. 3D development software for Linux/Unix.
  176. 2004-11-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  177. 2004-11-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fwd: NY Holiday Event
  178. 2004-11-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  179. 2004-11-16 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] Need suggestions. 3D development software for Linux/Unix.
  180. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: OpenOffice
  181. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Open House Schedule and Preparation
  182. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  183. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: OpenOffice
  184. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House Schedule and Preparation
  185. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  186. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  187. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  188. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fwd: NY Holiday Event
  189. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  190. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Worse than Al-Quada!
  191. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your Final Notice of Domain Extension]
  192. 2004-11-15 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  193. 2004-11-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  194. 2004-11-15 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  195. 2004-11-15 Walt Costanza <wjc-at-retsambew.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your Final Notice of Domain Extension]
  196. 2004-11-15 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..

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