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DATE 2004-11-16
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Fedora Core 3 vs. Suse 9.2 Professional

By Andrew Davis - Posted on 2004-11-16
07:00:10
at OSNews [http://www.osnews.com/]


While Suse 9.2 Pro was announced close to a month ago, it was only made
available for purchase recently. I was originally going to compare Suse 9.2
to something like RedHat WS 3.0. However, both Novell/Suse and RedHat seem
to now be offering a corporate desktop solution and a "desktop for the
masses" solution.



FC3 Vs SuSE 9.2, Page 1/4

Fedora Core 3 is what would have been RedHat 10 or 10.1 had RedHat not
abandoned the boxed, retail-shelf market and therefore is its closest
offering to Suse 9.2 Pro. Novell/Suse have recently announced
their
corporate desktop
[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/08/novell_linux_desktop_9/] which
appears to be in direct competition with RedHat WS and Sun's JDS. As such,
with different offerings from both parties, I wanted to make sure I was
comparing apples to apples and comparing Fedora Core 3 to Suse 9.2 Pro seems
to be the best match up.

In all honesty, I've been a loyal RedHat user for many years. I started into
Linux with Slackware, moved to FreeBSD for a while, then tried Solaris on
x86, and eventually went back to RedHat around release 6.0. I faithfully
bought or downloaded each RedHat release from 5.0 to 9.0 and have used both
FC1 and FC2. I like RedHat. I'm most familiar with RedHat. I support RedHat
for my paycheck (AS & ES). Since my network is comprised of about 70% RedHat
servers, it makes sense that I'd use RedHat/Fedora on my own workstation.
Honestly, I'd never really given Suse much thought until this last year.
They were always a little too German for me. Searches on google for third
party RPMs or support often left with me German-only web pages. However,
with the Novell acquisition my thoughts of Suse have changed. I now see them
more as an international company with better US (english) support. I also
saw HP ship the NX5000
-395654.html> notebook
[http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/321957-64295-89315-321838-f33
-395654.html] (a Centrino-based system) with Suse 9.1 Pro with all power
management and wireless working and realized that they had made some
significant improvements. Over the last year, I've switched back and forth
between Fedora Core 1/2 and Suse 9.1 Professional. With new versions of each
being released, I decided it was time to pick one.


Scope of Use:


I think its also important to understand how a system will be used for a
review. A review of FC3 as a web server will be different than FC3 as a
desktop system. As such, understand that my intent is to replace my Windows
XP system. On any given day, I use Mozilla for browsing the web, Mozilla
Mail for checking my 5 personal email accounts, and Outlook for corporate
email to our Exchange 2000 server. I use MS Word and Excel regularly. I
access shares and printers on 2 Windows file servers. I watch an occasional
DVD and listen to a music collection of both MP3 and WMA formats. From home
or anywhere I have broadband, I VPN into our Windows 2000 VPN server and
then use Outlook natively. If dial-up is my only choice, I use OWA. Lastly,
I got the Centrino system for the battery life. I value my battery life.
WinXP gives me about 3 hours with the stock battery. So, its with these
ideas in mind that I tested both Fc3 and Suse 9.2 Pro.


Installation:


I read lots of reviews on different Linux installations. In my opinion there
is entirely too much time spent covering installation (and far too many
screenshots [http://osdir.com/shots/]). Granted,
installing Linux hasn't always been the easiest thing to do, especially on a
laptop. However, in recent years this has gotten much easier, even on
laptops. While it used to be the norm to see article after article on
workarounds for installing Linux, its now more common to be surprised when
it doesn't install. So for simplicity's sake, I'm not covering installation
except to say that I did a fairly standard install on both, though did a
custom package selection on each and made sure I had both KDE and Gnome on
both. Both installs were to my raw hardware (not cheated by using VMWare).
My installation system is an IBM Thinkpad T41 (2379-DJU) which is a Centrino
system with a 1.6Ghz CPU and 802.11b (ipw2100) wireless. My concern was more
with usability than installation and since neither installation suffered,
suffice it to say that both have good installation routines. Suse 9.2's
installation routine was a bit different from FC3 and even from Suse 9.1
Pro. The installation was almost the same as 9.1, but appeared to only copy
enough to boot, then rebooted and copied the rest of what I needed. I
installed approximately 3.1Gb with each install, but Suse took about an hour
to install while FC3 only took 20 or 30 minutes.


FC3 Vs SuSE 9.2, Page 2/4

Fedora Core 3:

After installation, I booted into the default Gnome session. The first thing
I did was to start up Evolution and get it configured. Within about 10
minutes I was connected to my Exchange 2000 server with the Exchange
connector and accessing email, contacts, and calendars. After another 5
minutes or so of tweaking, I had auto-complete checking my personal contacts
and the Global Address List and was able to fully communicate with my other
Outlook-using co-workers. Before installing I had backed up all my docs and
my Mozilla profile to a 1Gb USB key. I plugged in the key and within seconds
I had a new desktop icon and was able to view my documents.


Firefox is the default browser. I installed Mozilla (from Mozilla.org) then
copied my Mozilla profile from my USB key to my home dir and after changing
some paths had Mozilla accessing all my favorite sites and checking my
personal mail accounts. I walked through the printer wizard and was able to
use the Samba connectors to connect to all 4 of our office printers (after
walking around and getting the model numbers). I fired up OpenOffice and
randomly chose 30 Word, Excel, and Powerpoint created docs. With the
exception of one, they all looked just fine. I then printed each of the 30
test documents in both color and black&white and they looked just fine.


I then took a trip over the pptpclient.sourceforge.net and followed the
instructions for FC2. With the exception of some newer packages/versions, it
installed just fine and about 5 minutes later I was on my VPN (Note: I use
special characters in my password. When using pptpclient it is necessary to
manually edit the conf file and put your password in quotes if you use
special characters). Next was MP3 and encrypted DVD support. Thankfully, our
friends at Freshrpms.net had their repository ready for FC3 the day of
release. So I installed apt-get and synaptic and within about 30 minutes of
downloads, I had all the software and codecs needed to listen to my audio
collection and watch The Matrix (both from DVD and Divx). I also installed
the mplayer-plugin, then went to watch the Quicktime video at the OQO
[http://www.oqo.com/hardware/video/]
website. Mplayer kicked in and all was working just fine. Then came getting
my 802.11b working. I had previously played with the release candidate of
FC3 and had some issues with the ipw2100 module due to the newer firmware.
Searching showed that others had the same issue. So I crossed my fingers and
tapped my heels together and went for it. Someone fixed something somewhere
cause I had it working about 20 minutes later.


The next test was the integration of OpenOffice for certain file extensions.
I went back to Evolution and emailed myself four attachments: one .rtf, one
.doc, one .xls, and one .ppt. Once they arrived, I clicked on each within
Evolution. Unfortunately, only the .doc and the .rtf offered both a "Save
As" and to open with OpenOffice Writer. The .xls and the .ppt only offered a
"Save As" option. My final step was to setup power management. Neither my
Fn+F4 (standby) or Fn+F12 (hibernate) buttons worked out of the box.


Within Gnome, I tried to suspend the system but got an APM error. Looking it
at, the Gnome battery applet was trying to use APM to suspend my system.
However, APM isn't loaded by default with FC3. By default, only ACPI is
loaded. This seems like a bug to me... one that shows that none of the core
FC developers use laptops. I replaced the APM command with an appropriate
ACPI one and tried it. Let's just say it wasn't pretty. I rebooted and went
into KDE and enabled ACPI support, then tried to suspend it. It half-worked.
So that's when I decided to patch the kernel with "suspend to disk
[http://softwaresuspend.berlios.de/]"
support.


This was successful, and I was able to write a quick shell script to start
the process, then configure both the Gnome and KDE battery applets to call
my script to start it. So all told, about 12 hours after installation
completed I had what I consider to be a fully working system. I could work
locally and remotely. I could use all my hardware. I could maximize my
battery consumption. Thanks to a host of third party add-ons and some well
documented workarounds for FC2, FC3 is usable to me as a Windows XP
replacement.


FC3 Vs SuSE 9.2, Page 3/4

Suse 9.2 Professional:

After installation, I booted into the default KDE session. I have to admit,
Suse's KDE is much brighter than FC's Gnome. The Bluecurve theme on FC3
seemed very grey and very Windows95'ish. Suse's KDE is bright and brilliant.
I'd almost swear my mood changed while using Suse 9.2.


As with Fc3, the first thing I did was start up Evolution and try to connect
to my Exchange server. Everything worked just fine. I was almost immediately
communicating with co-workers, getting appointment reminders, etc. Next I
popped in my USB key, and sure enough, I immediately had a desktop icon and
was browsing my documents. Just as with FC3, I configured Mozilla to pick up
my profile and everything just worked. I tested the same 30 documents with
OpenOffice and had the exact same results as with my Fc3 tests.


Printing setup was a little different, but worked just as well and all the
test documents worked just fine. Next was the VPN. Back to
pptpclient.sourceforge.net I went and just as I used the FC2 instructions
for Fc3, I used the Suse 9.1 instructions for 9.2. A few packages were
newer, but all worked fine and I was on my VPN shortly after. Next was MP3
and encrypted DVD support. It seems the MP3 support was already there. I
searched all over google for "xine for suse 9.2" but got no hits. I did find
rpms for 9.1, but all errored when I attempted to install them. Aside from
"going to the source", to quote from Matrix Revolutions, it looks like I'll
have to wait for the package maintainer to update his packages.


The same holds true for mplayer, the mplayer plugin, etc. In stark contract
to FC3, however, my wireless worked out of the box. All I had to do was go
into YAST and configure it (including adding my WEP key) and save the
settings. Within seconds I had an IP and was able to browse wirelessly. As
with FC3, I went back to Evolution and started testing file extensions.
Unlike FC3, all the documents offered to open them in their native
application. Kudos to Novell. Lastly, I tested my power management. Unlike
Fc3, however, I didn't have to reboot my system after a failed test nor
install any extra software. I simply enabled "suspend to ram" and "suspend
to disk" support in the KDE battery applet. Immediately after, I could do
either and my Fn+F4 (standby) and Fn+F12 (hibernate) buttons both worked.


Now this is one area where Suse shined. Because they integrated the suspend
to disk and suspend to RAM features, the KDE battery applet offers to let me
do either. In contrast, my FC3 Gnone battery applet only offers a "suspend"
feature which I had to manually link to my self-written script to suspend to
disk. Unlike Fc3, after installation, I was able to work locally and
remotely, use all my hardware, and maximize my battery consumption within
only about 2 hours. The only thing that I was lacking was encrypted DVD
support via Xine and mplayer (and its browser plugin). However, I also know
these existed for 9.1 and if I wait patiently, I can probably get them soon
for 9.2. All in all Suse 9.2 was also very usable to me as a Windows XP
replacement.


FC3 Vs SuSE 9.2, Page 4/4

Summary:

Fedora Core 3 has one big pro in my opinion: the huge repository of add-ons
at freshrpms.net
[http://heidelberg.freshrpms.net/]! And with others such as kde-redhat, etc,
I can have all the newest goodies whenever I want them. Suse doesn't seem to
have as big a following and thus their add-on repositories are fewer and
contain fewer applications. But FC3 isn't without its cons too. To get
everything working, I had to install modules and kernel tweaks for my
wireless, suspend-to-disk, and VPN. This means that anytime the FC3 update
channel releases a new kernel, I'll need to make sure each of these still
works and/or re-build them. And for any that are kernel version specific,
I'll have to wait for the package maintainer to make a package for the
specific kernel. Suse 9.2 Pro seems to have better out-of-the-box support.
My wireless and power management worked immediately. They also include three
thinkpad specific packages: tpctl, tp buttons, and configure-thinkpad. I'm
sure Suse put a lot of work into making 9.1 run on the Compaq/HP NX5000 and
those changes definitely made it into the 9.2 release. However, the
available 3rd party add-ons seem a bit lacking. But, at least if Suse
releases an updated kernel, I only have to worry about my VPN kernel module
working.


I guess it comes down to completely free vs convenience. Fedora Core
promises to be a completely free operating system which speaks loudly for
the FSS/OpenSource groups. Suse seems to be about 95% free. But that 5% is
made up for in convenience. And, sure, I can always go the "configure, make,
make install" route, but why? If I want to go down that road, I'd go all the
way with the LinuxFromScratch project.The Fedora/RedHat team have a long
history with Gnome, but with Novell owning Ximian (which also has a good
history with Gnome) and Suse (which has a good history with KDE), I
personally see Novell as having the better platform opportunity if they can
make the sales. They definitely have the server OS history and the "fight
the big dogs" history. In conclusion, I guess I'm torn. Both systems worked
well as a replacement for Windows XP for me. So on one side I have Fedora,
which is closer to the RH systems I support, completely free, and with a
large and diverse add-on repository(s). On the other side is Suse with
Novell backing, better out-of-the-box support, better looking, and seemingly
better polished. Which one am I going to use? I don't know yet.


About the author:
I'm a Sr. Level SysAdmin with 10+ years of experience, on a path to CTO
(hint, hint to any readers). I've worked in many different sectors,
consulted, and watched the dot-com rise and subsequent implosion. I have
experience with everything from Novell to Windows to Solaris to Linux to HA
Clustering to end-user desktop support and all the networks, routers,
firewalls, etc that connect them. I am neither pro-Windows, nor pro-Linux. I
believe each OS has its place and purpose, though where either can do the
job, I'll go with Linux. Presently I work for a biotech
[http://www.genvault.com] in the Carlsbad, CA
area.


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Fedora Core 3 vs.
Suse 9.2 Professional

  By href="mailto:andrew-at-NOSPAM.nccomp.com">Andrew Davis - Posted on 2004-11-16
07:00:10
at OSNews [http://www.osnews.com/]


While Suse 9.2 Pro was announced close
to a month ago, it was only made available for purchase recently. I was
originally going to compare Suse 9.2 to something like RedHat WS 3.0. However,
both Novell/Suse and RedHat seem to now be offering a corporate desktop solution
and a "desktop for the masses" solution.



Arial\?>FC3 Vs SuSE 9.2, Page 1/4

Fedora Core 3 is
what would have been RedHat 10 or 10.1 had RedHat not abandoned the boxed,
retail-shelf market and therefore is its closest offering to Suse 9.2 Pro.
Novell/Suse have recently href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/08/novell_linux_desktop_9/">announced
their corporate desktop

[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/08/novell_linux_desktop_9/] which appears
to be in direct competition with RedHat WS and Sun's JDS. As such, with
different offerings from both parties, I wanted to make sure I was comparing
apples to apples and comparing Fedora Core 3 to Suse 9.2 Pro seems to be the
best match up.

In all honesty, I've been a loyal RedHat user for many years. I started into
Linux with Slackware, moved to FreeBSD for a while, then tried Solaris on x86,
and eventually went back to RedHat around release 6.0. I faithfully bought or
downloaded each RedHat release from 5.0 to 9.0 and have used both FC1 and FC2. I
like RedHat. I'm most familiar with RedHat. I support RedHat for my paycheck (AS
& ES). Since my network is comprised of about 70% RedHat servers, it makes
sense that I'd use RedHat/Fedora on my own workstation. Honestly, I'd never
really given Suse much thought until this last year. They were always a little
too German for me. Searches on google for third party RPMs or support
often left with me German-only web pages. However, with the Novell acquisition
my thoughts of Suse have changed. I now see them more as an international
company with better US (english) support. I also saw HP ship the href="http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/321957-64295-89315-321838-f33-395654.html">NX5000
notebook

[http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/321957-64295-89315-321838-f33-395654.html]
(a Centrino-based system) with Suse 9.1 Pro with all power management and
wireless working and realized that they had made some significant improvements.
Over the last year, I've switched back and forth between Fedora Core 1/2 and
Suse 9.1 Professional. With new versions of each being released, I decided it
was time to pick one.

Scope of Use:

I think its also important to understand how a system will be used for a
review. A review of FC3 as a web server will be different than FC3 as a desktop
system. As such, understand that my intent is to replace my Windows XP system.
On any given day, I use Mozilla for browsing the web, Mozilla Mail for checking
my 5 personal email accounts, and Outlook for corporate email to our Exchange
2000 server. I use MS Word and Excel regularly. I access shares and printers on
2 Windows file servers. I watch an occasional DVD and listen to a music
collection of both MP3 and WMA formats. From home or anywhere I have broadband,
I VPN into our Windows 2000 VPN server and then use Outlook natively. If dial-up
is my only choice, I use OWA. Lastly, I got the Centrino system for the battery
life. I value my battery life. WinXP gives me about 3 hours with the stock
battery. So, its with these ideas in mind that I tested both Fc3 and Suse 9.2
Pro.

Installation:

I read lots of reviews on different Linux installations. In my opinion there
is entirely too much time spent covering installation (and far href="http://osdir.com/shots/">too many screenshots
[http://osdir.com/shots/]). Granted, installing Linux hasn't always been the
easiest thing to do, especially on a laptop. However, in recent years this has
gotten much easier, even on laptops. While it used to be the norm to see article
after article on workarounds for installing Linux, its now more common to be
surprised when it doesn't install. So for simplicity's sake, I'm not
covering installation except to say that I did a fairly standard install on
both, though did a custom package selection on each and made sure I had both KDE
and Gnome on both. Both installs were to my raw hardware (not cheated by using
VMWare). My installation system is an IBM Thinkpad T41 (2379-DJU) which is a
Centrino system with a 1.6Ghz CPU and 802.11b (ipw2100) wireless. My concern was
more with usability than installation and since neither installation suffered,
suffice it to say that both have good installation routines. Suse 9.2's
installation routine was a bit different from FC3 and even from Suse 9.1 Pro.
The installation was almost the same as 9.1, but appeared to only copy enough to
boot, then rebooted and copied the rest of what I needed. I installed
approximately 3.1Gb with each install, but Suse took about an hour to install
while FC3 only took 20 or 30 minutes.


Arial\?>FC3 Vs SuSE 9.2, Page 2/4

Fedora Core
3:

After installation, I booted into the default Gnome session. The first thing
I did was to start up Evolution and get it configured. Within about 10 minutes I
was connected to my Exchange 2000 server with the Exchange connector and
accessing email, contacts, and calendars. After another 5 minutes or so of
tweaking, I had auto-complete checking my personal contacts and the Global
Address List and was able to fully communicate with my other Outlook-using
co-workers. Before installing I had backed up all my docs and my Mozilla profile
to a 1Gb USB key. I plugged in the key and within seconds I had a new desktop
icon and was able to view my documents.

Firefox is the default browser. I installed Mozilla (from Mozilla.org) then
copied my Mozilla profile from my USB key to my home dir and after changing some
paths had Mozilla accessing all my favorite sites and checking my personal mail
accounts. I walked through the printer wizard and was able to use the Samba
connectors to connect to all 4 of our office printers (after walking around and
getting the model numbers). I fired up OpenOffice and randomly chose 30 Word,
Excel, and Powerpoint created docs. With the exception of one, they all looked
just fine. I then printed each of the 30 test documents in both color and
black&white and they looked just fine.

I then took a trip over the pptpclient.sourceforge.net and followed the
instructions for FC2. With the exception of some newer packages/versions, it
installed just fine and about 5 minutes later I was on my VPN (Note: I use
special characters in my password. When using pptpclient it is necessary to
manually edit the conf file and put your password in quotes if you use special
characters). Next was MP3 and encrypted DVD support. Thankfully, our friends at
Freshrpms.net had their repository ready for FC3 the day of release. So I
installed apt-get and synaptic and within about 30 minutes of downloads, I had
all the software and codecs needed to listen to my audio collection and watch
The Matrix (both from DVD and Divx). I also installed the mplayer-plugin, then
went to watch the Quicktime video at the href="http://www.oqo.com/hardware/video/">OQO
[http://www.oqo.com/hardware/video/] website. Mplayer kicked in and all was
working just fine. Then came getting my 802.11b working. I had previously played
with the release candidate of FC3 and had some issues with the ipw2100 module
due to the newer firmware. Searching showed that others had the same issue. So I
crossed my fingers and tapped my heels together and went for it. Someone fixed
something somewhere cause I had it working about 20 minutes later.

The next test was the integration of OpenOffice for certain file extensions.
I went back to Evolution and emailed myself four attachments: one .rtf, one
.doc, one .xls, and one .ppt. Once they arrived, I clicked on each within
Evolution. Unfortunately, only the .doc and the .rtf offered both a "Save As"
and to open with OpenOffice Writer. The .xls and the .ppt only offered a "Save
As" option. My final step was to setup power management. Neither my Fn+F4
(standby) or Fn+F12 (hibernate) buttons worked out of the box.

Within Gnome, I tried to suspend the system but got an APM error. Looking it
at, the Gnome battery applet was trying to use APM to suspend my system.
However, APM isn't loaded by default with FC3. By default, only ACPI is loaded.
This seems like a bug to me... one that shows that none of the core FC
developers use laptops. I replaced the APM command with an appropriate ACPI one
and tried it. Let's just say it wasn't pretty. I rebooted and went into KDE and
enabled ACPI support, then tried to suspend it. It half-worked. So that's when I
decided to patch the kernel with "href="http://softwaresuspend.berlios.de/">suspend to disk
[http://softwaresuspend.berlios.de/]" support.

This was successful, and I was able to write a quick shell script to start
the process, then configure both the Gnome and KDE battery applets to call my
script to start it. So all told, about 12 hours after installation completed I
had what I consider to be a fully working system. I could work locally and
remotely. I could use all my hardware. I could maximize my battery consumption.
Thanks to a host of third party add-ons and some well documented workarounds for
FC2, FC3 is usable to me as a Windows XP replacement.


Arial\?>FC3 Vs SuSE 9.2, Page 3/4

Suse 9.2
Professional:

After installation, I booted into the default KDE session. I have to admit,
Suse's KDE is much brighter than FC's Gnome. The Bluecurve theme on FC3 seemed
very grey and very Windows95'ish. Suse's KDE is bright and brilliant. I'd almost
swear my mood changed while using Suse 9.2.

As with Fc3, the first thing I did was start up Evolution and try to connect
to my Exchange server. Everything worked just fine. I was almost immediately
communicating with co-workers, getting appointment reminders, etc. Next I popped
in my USB key, and sure enough, I immediately had a desktop icon and was
browsing my documents. Just as with FC3, I configured Mozilla to pick up my
profile and everything just worked. I tested the same 30 documents with
OpenOffice and had the exact same results as with my Fc3 tests.

Printing setup was a little different, but worked just as well and all the
test documents worked just fine. Next was the VPN. Back to
pptpclient.sourceforge.net I went and just as I used the FC2 instructions for
Fc3, I used the Suse 9.1 instructions for 9.2. A few packages were newer, but
all worked fine and I was on my VPN shortly after. Next was MP3 and encrypted
DVD support. It seems the MP3 support was already there. I searched all over
google for "xine for suse 9.2" but got no hits. I did find rpms for 9.1, but all
errored when I attempted to install them. Aside from "going to the source", to
quote from Matrix Revolutions, it looks like I'll have to wait for the package
maintainer to update his packages.

The same holds true for mplayer, the mplayer plugin, etc. In stark contract
to FC3, however, my wireless worked out of the box. All I had to do was go into
YAST and configure it (including adding my WEP key) and save the settings.
Within seconds I had an IP and was able to browse wirelessly. As with FC3, I
went back to Evolution and started testing file extensions. Unlike FC3, all the
documents offered to open them in their native application. Kudos to Novell.
Lastly, I tested my power management. Unlike Fc3, however, I didn't have to
reboot my system after a failed test nor install any extra software. I simply
enabled "suspend to ram" and "suspend to disk" support in the KDE battery
applet. Immediately after, I could do either and my Fn+F4 (standby) and Fn+F12
(hibernate) buttons both worked.

Now this is one area where Suse shined. Because they integrated the suspend
to disk and suspend to RAM features, the KDE battery applet offers to let me do
either. In contrast, my FC3 Gnone battery applet only offers a "suspend" feature
which I had to manually link to my self-written script to suspend to disk.
Unlike Fc3, after installation, I was able to work locally and remotely, use all
my hardware, and maximize my battery consumption within only about 2 hours. The
only thing that I was lacking was encrypted DVD support via Xine and mplayer
(and its browser plugin). However, I also know these existed for 9.1 and if I
wait patiently, I can probably get them soon for 9.2. All in all Suse 9.2 was
also very usable to me as a Windows XP replacement.


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Summary:

Fedora Core 3 has one big pro in my opinion: the huge repository of add-ons
at freshrpms.net
[http://heidelberg.freshrpms.net/]! And with others such as kde-redhat, etc, I
can have all the newest goodies whenever I want them. Suse doesn't seem to have
as big a following and thus their add-on repositories are fewer and contain
fewer applications. But FC3 isn't without its cons too. To get everything
working, I had to install modules and kernel tweaks for my wireless,
suspend-to-disk, and VPN. This means that anytime the FC3 update channel
releases a new kernel, I'll need to make sure each of these still works and/or
re-build them. And for any that are kernel version specific, I'll have to wait
for the package maintainer to make a package for the specific kernel. Suse 9.2
Pro seems to have better out-of-the-box support. My wireless and power
management worked immediately. They also include three thinkpad specific
packages: tpctl, tp buttons, and configure-thinkpad. I'm sure Suse put a lot of
work into making 9.1 run on the Compaq/HP NX5000 and those changes definitely
made it into the 9.2 release. However, the available 3rd party add-ons seem a
bit lacking. But, at least if Suse releases an updated kernel, I only have to
worry about my VPN kernel module working.

I guess it comes down to completely free vs convenience. Fedora Core promises
to be a completely free operating system which speaks loudly for the
FSS/OpenSource groups. Suse seems to be about 95% free. But that 5% is made up
for in convenience. And, sure, I can always go the "configure, make, make
install" route, but why? If I want to go down that road, I'd go all the way with
the LinuxFromScratch project.The Fedora/RedHat team have a long history with
Gnome, but with Novell owning Ximian (which also has a good history with Gnome)
and Suse (which has a good history with KDE), I personally see Novell as having
the better platform opportunity if they can make the sales. They definitely have
the server OS history and the "fight the big dogs" history. In conclusion, I
guess I'm torn. Both systems worked well as a replacement for Windows XP for me.
So on one side I have Fedora, which is closer to the RH systems I support,
completely free, and with a large and diverse add-on repository(s). On the other
side is Suse with Novell backing, better out-of-the-box support, better looking,
and seemingly better polished. Which one am I going to use? I don't know yet.

About the author:
I'm a Sr. Level SysAdmin with 10+ years
of experience, on a path to CTO (hint, hint to any readers). I've worked in many
different sectors, consulted, and watched the dot-com rise and subsequent
implosion. I have experience with everything from Novell to Windows to Solaris
to Linux to HA Clustering to end-user desktop support and all the networks,
routers, firewalls, etc that connect them. I am neither pro-Windows, nor
pro-Linux. I believe each OS has its place and purpose, though where either can
do the job, I'll go with Linux. Presently I work for a href="http://www.genvault.com/">biotech [http://www.genvault.com] in the
Carlsbad, CA area.

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  1. 2004-11-14 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] LUG in Denver
  2. 2004-11-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  3. 2004-11-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  4. 2004-11-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open-source advocate Chris Stone unexpectedly leaves Novell
  5. 2004-11-11 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead
  6. 2004-11-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead
  7. 2004-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Arafat Dead
  8. 2004-11-10 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Airforce Hi-Tech Commercial
  9. 2004-11-09 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Airforce Hi-Tech Commercial
  10. 2004-11-09 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: retirement 401-keg
  11. 2004-11-09 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] firefox 1.0
  12. 2004-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House Meeting
  13. 2004-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night Returns!
  14. 2004-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Airforce Hi-Tech Commercial
  15. 2004-11-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. Nov. 11, 2004 Davydd Harries on Languages in Fre
  16. 2004-11-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell launches an enterprise Linux desktop
  17. 2004-11-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] tech night
  18. 2004-11-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] tech night
  19. 2004-11-06 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] More FS jobs
  20. 2004-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More FS jobs
  21. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell counters Microsoft's Linux 'facts' with 'truth'
  22. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open-source advocate Chris Stone unexpectedly leaves Novell
  23. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Warnings On New Phishing Threat Nov. 3, 2004
  24. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Keep an Eye on Your Linux Systems with Netstat
  25. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Important Message: BOYCOTT LINUXTODAY.COM
  26. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Website Advice
  27. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Ruben, we are looking for a Linux guru to work at our company!
  28. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House - Date
  29. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Open House - Date
  30. 2004-11-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Open House - Date
  31. 2004-11-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Open House - Date
  32. 2004-11-04 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] New Website Advice
  33. 2004-11-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] New Website Advice
  34. 2004-11-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House - Date
  35. 2004-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  36. 2004-11-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Adobe dipping toes into desktop Linux waters
  37. 2004-11-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] business (fwd)
  38. 2004-11-03 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Adobe dipping toes into desktop Linux waters
  39. 2004-11-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] business (fwd)
  40. 2004-11-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  41. 2004-11-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] business (fwd)
  42. 2004-11-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  43. 2004-11-02 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  44. 2004-11-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: ACSS CT and NYC Meeting: JPEGs, Viruses and Your System's
  45. 2004-11-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  46. 2004-11-01 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  47. 2004-11-01 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [hangout] Suse cd
  48. 2004-11-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  49. 2004-11-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [FCNYC] Computer ONLY for non-profit!!!] (fwd)
  50. 2004-11-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft upgrade knocks out 80,000 government PCs
  51. 2004-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Some good political action advise
  52. 2004-11-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  53. 2004-11-29 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  54. 2004-11-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  55. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  56. 2004-11-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  57. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RUBEN! I borrowered your Klezmagic CD and copied it! Not Your Scotch. Please do not call the Cops!
  58. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House Materials
  59. 2004-11-28 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] RUBEN! I borrowered your Klezmagic CD and copied it! Not Your Scotch.
  60. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  61. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  62. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] need car
  63. 2004-11-28 bluecitabria <bluecitabria-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] unsubscribe
  64. 2004-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] need car
  65. 2004-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] need car
  66. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New trolling sight for the argumentitive
  67. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novel Desktop Linux
  68. 2004-11-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In NY, Money Can't Buy Love But Gets a Foot in Door (fwd)
  69. 2004-11-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Linux (fwd)
  70. 2004-11-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers]
  71. 2004-11-26 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  72. 2004-11-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  73. 2004-11-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  74. 2004-11-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Thanks Giving Day Wishes
  75. 2004-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  76. 2004-11-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  77. 2004-11-24 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  78. 2004-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  79. 2004-11-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  80. 2004-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  81. 2004-11-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  82. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Em
  83. 2004-11-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Emplyees, Consultants, and Business Owners
  84. 2004-11-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Em
  85. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Emplyees, Consultants, and Business Owners
  86. 2004-11-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  87. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  88. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  89. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Pick Up
  90. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  91. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  92. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  93. 2004-11-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  94. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  95. 2004-11-23 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  96. 2004-11-23 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  97. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  98. 2004-11-23 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  99. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [MLUG] November 13, 2004 Meeting Notes
  100. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  101. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  102. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  103. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  104. 2004-11-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  105. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  106. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  107. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  108. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute: Classes
  109. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Skills become more valuable
  110. 2004-11-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  111. 2004-11-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] "Linux World" - Time for a Boycott
  112. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  113. 2004-11-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Be Happy!
  114. 2004-11-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  115. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  116. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  117. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  118. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  119. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Local Press
  120. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Local Press
  121. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] "Linux World" - Time for a Boycott
  122. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO and and FUD leads to resignations
  123. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Archive
  124. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] flyers
  125. 2004-11-21 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] flyers
  126. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  127. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  128. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  129. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  130. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  131. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  132. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  133. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  134. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  135. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  136. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  137. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  138. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  139. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  140. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  141. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  142. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  143. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  144. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Trimming an MP3
  145. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  146. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  147. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  148. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  149. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  150. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  151. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  152. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tonights NYLXS Radio Show - Reading Tea Leaves in Corperate IT
  153. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Nukes Needed for ME
  154. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Call me 1-718-715-1771
  155. 2004-11-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  156. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  157. 2004-11-19 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  158. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  159. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  160. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk t o the New York Linux Scene]
  161. 2004-11-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk t o
  162. 2004-11-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun's Solaris 10 Launch - The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly
  163. 2004-11-19 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  164. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk to the New York Linux Scene]
  165. 2004-11-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  166. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [moyses-at-inpa.gov.br: How to join?]
  167. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  168. 2004-11-18 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  169. 2004-11-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement
  170. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  171. 2004-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Learning all about Linux
  172. 2004-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Saturday Night
  173. 2004-11-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC'S SECRET GUIDE ON FIRING TEACHERS
  174. 2004-11-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Fedora Core 3 vs. Suse 9.2 Professional
  175. 2004-11-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need suggestions. 3D development software for Linux/Unix.
  176. 2004-11-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  177. 2004-11-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fwd: NY Holiday Event
  178. 2004-11-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  179. 2004-11-16 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] Need suggestions. 3D development software for Linux/Unix.
  180. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: OpenOffice
  181. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Open House Schedule and Preparation
  182. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  183. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: OpenOffice
  184. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House Schedule and Preparation
  185. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  186. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  187. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  188. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fwd: NY Holiday Event
  189. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  190. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Worse than Al-Quada!
  191. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your Final Notice of Domain Extension]
  192. 2004-11-15 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  193. 2004-11-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  194. 2004-11-15 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  195. 2004-11-15 Walt Costanza <wjc-at-retsambew.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your Final Notice of Domain Extension]
  196. 2004-11-15 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..

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