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Sun's Solaris 10 Launch - The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly

By Will Senn - Posted on 2004-11-19
01:05:28
at OSNews [http://www.osnews.com/]

Original Story URL at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8921

November, 15 2004. The Solaris 10/NC04Q4 Launch 2004. Dawn in San Jose, CA
was a truly beautiful sight to behold on Monday. As the sun rose over the
mountains and shed its light on the valley below - the city, which the night
before had seemed so unimpressive, suddenly came to life in the shimmer of
the sun's rays. It seemed a perfect morning for the launch of Sun's most
ambitious project to date. The press and other attendees looked happy,
hopeful. Sun's folks were excited - especially the engineers.

The Good
Solaris 10 represents the culmination of a half billion dollars investment
and the work of 3000 engineers. Sun Microsystem's investment in technology
is well evidenced in this version of Solaris - it is all about the
technology. According to John Loiacono, Executive Vice President of the
Software Group at Sun, the goals for the Solaris Operating System were
Performance, Efficiency, Security and Availability. A listing of new
features shows that Sun has worked very hard indeed to achieve these goals.
New Features include a completely rewritten TCP stack, Dynamic Tracing,
Solaris Containers, Linux Application Environment, ZFS, Predictive Self
Healing, Solaris Process Rights Management, Guaranteed Source and Binary
Compatibility and many others. These eight features alone make it well
worthwhile to consider Solaris 10 as an Operating System.

Solaris 10 is FREE. Solaris 10 will be released with a Free Binary Right to
Use - RTU. The license will apply to all platforms for end users. It does
not come with any technical support other than what is available on the
World Wide Web. The freeing of Solaris begins the fulfillment of Scott
McNealy's long ago prophetic statement that software would one day be free.

Solaris has a new logo - simple, but nice.

New Features Rewritten TCP Stack
Sun claims that the new TCP stack is very much improved over previous
versions. Simply upgrading from a previous version of Solaris to Solaris 10
will result in a minimum 20% increase in speed according to Mr. Loiacono.
Sun is looking to drive 10 Gigabit Ethernet to full saturation and the
improved stack is a giant step towards realizing that goal.

Dynamic Tracing
Dynamic Tracing, or DTrace as the console application front end for it is
called, is all the rage in development circles. A search on Google results
in 35,300 results today. DTrace is the developer and system administrator's
ultimate tracing tool. It allows the user to instrument the Operating System
so that it can be observed in action. Want to know how many I/O operations
are occurring at any given moment, or what process caused the I/O at any
level of the application stack? DTrace and its scripting language, D, can
tell you - fast! Debugging and performance analysis are likely never going
to be the same again. I sat down with the author of DTrace, Sun's Senior
Staff Engineer, Bryan Cantrill and asked for a demonstration, what I got was
a revelation. In less than 10 minutes I was shown more of the inner workings
of the kernel than you would probably be able to navigate in days of
debugging or digging through source code. It became clear to me why Sun's
engineers were so pumped. According to Bryan, when DTrace is not running,
there is zero overhead on the system and when it is running, the load is
proportional to the complexity of the observation. Therefore, a simple
question will have a negligible impact on the system and a hard question
will have a greater impact. To be fair, during the demonstration, I saw no
impact on the system, whatsoever.

Solaris Containers
Formerly, N1 Grid Containers, this technology provides separate virtual
instances of the Solaris Operating Environment running on a single machine.
Containers are an emerging technology of mammoth proportions. Sun did not
promote the containers as much as they could have. This is an extremely
important technology as it provides isolation, increased utilization of
resources and speedy environment restart, cloning, and other cool features
with very little overhead - unlike VMWare and other emulation environments.
I sat with one of Sun's Senior Technical Product Managers for Solaris
Containers/Zones, Angel Camacho, for a lab where we created a number of
containers. In a little over 15 minutes we were able to create 3 separate
containers, with their own IP addresses and file systems. The containers are
impressive, simple to understand, simple to use and very powerful, look for
enterprise deployments of container technology soon.

Linux Application Environment
Formerly, Project Janus, LAE is the penguin running on the sun - Linux
binaries running unmodified, without emulation, on Solaris. This is one
ambitious project that aims at bringing the thousands of Linux applications
to the Solaris platform.

ZFS
The Zetabyte File System is yet another technological breakthrough. 19 nines
reliability, 128 bits, fault resilient file system, combine to provide an
awesome new model for the next several decades. Anyone who has ever worked
with complex raid configurations will appreciate ZFS. ZFS will provide,
massive scalability, easy administration, space age error detection and
correction and data security.

Predictive Self-Healing
Solaris 10's Fault Manager and Service Manager work together to provide
comprehensive prediction and detection of system failures - both Hardware
and Software. These managers increase reliability and redundancy, while at
the same time decrease the likelihood of failure and provide faster recovery
and diagnosis. Incomprehensible error messages are replaced with telemetry
events that are passed from the Fault Manager to componentized error
handlers. The predictive self healing capability allows the Operating System
to predict that RAM is likely to fail after some number of events and to
remove that one faulty component to be removed without taking down the
system.

Solaris Process Rights Management
Thanks to Trusted Solaris, Solaris 10 is going to be much more secure than
its predecessors. This is military grade security and it is going to be
available by default. There will also be a strengthened cryptographic
framework delivered as well.

Guaranteed Source and Binary Compatibility
Since version 2.6 of the Operating System, Solaris has guaranteed Binary
Compatibility. This is something that neither Microsoft Windows nor any
distribution of Linux has offered. When I spoke with performance expert,
Jarod Jenson, Chief Systems Architect for Aeysis, about Sun's networking
performance claim, he supported the claim, stating that his clients
consistently found significant performance gains through the simple upgrade
to Solaris 10. Coming from a Linux/Microsoft Windows background I was
somewhat skeptical of the 'simple' characterization of upgrading. Jarod
quickly put my skepticism in the back seat. He explained the Binary
Compatibility feature and how it eases migrations. The source code guarantee
goes much further than the binary compatibility guarantee and guarantees
that any source code that compiled and ran on a previous version of Solaris,
back to 2.6 will require a simple recompile to run. This is a huge claim and
shows a great deal of confidence in Sun's engineers.

The Bad
The biggest questions on Sun's plate for the launch event were the Open
Source questions. Was Solaris 10 truly going to be open source? What
licensing model would be used? What would the terms be? Would DTrace and ZFS
be included in the source code? The answers - still to come. The biggest
disappointment of the day was the complete lack of final answers to these
important questions. Sun lost an opportunity to step up and state, once and
for all, that YES Solaris 10 will be completely Open Source and unencumbered
by Kodak style patents. The sense, murmurings and whispered wisdom was that
indeed Solaris 10 would be Open Source. The license was yet to be determined
- but it would definitely encourage openness - that a community process
would be forthcoming that would be defined largely by the community - that
all of Solaris would be included, everything required to build from source.
But at the end of the day, there was no news on the Open Source angle, in
San Jose. Stay tuned was the mantra.

Other bad news included the fact that ZFS would not be included in the GA
release (general availability release), but that it would be in a future
update - tentatively, Update 1. LAE was also not going to be fully
guaranteed in the GA release, although the functionality would be part of
the final GA release. It should be interesting to see what defines the final
GA release - another stay tuned.

The Ugly
All right, we have covered the Good and the Bad, that leaves us with the
Ugly. Solaris 10 Beta 7, which was released in October, contains quite a
number of changes from the previous Beta 6. The Gnome Desktop look and feel
of Beta 6 has become the Java Desktop System look and feel in Beta 7. In
addition, the Sun X Server has been replaced with the X.org - X Window
System. Also, there is a completely revamped installation program. Coming
just a couple of weeks prior to the launch and a couple months prior to the
GA release, this seems like a late date to be making such sweeping, visible
changes. These late changes combined with the postponement of ZFS and LAE
and the lack of clear Open Source licensing are the only dark spots in the
otherwise bright outlook for Solaris.

Conclusion
Solaris 10 is a technological marvel that appears to be headed for the
history books as one of the most ambitious and advanced general purpose
operating environments of this generation. Sun is walking a fine line on the
Open Source question. IP enforceability versus community goodwill seems to
be Sun's biggest near term challenge. The free binary RTU for end users
might cover some distance towards community acceptance.

Resources



Sun
Solaris 10
Software Express [http://sun.com]
DTrace Guide
[http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223]
ZFS
[http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/10/ds/zfs.jsp]
Gnome [http://gnome.org]
X.Org [http://x.org








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  By href="mailto:will_senn-at-NOSPAM.comcast.net">Will Senn - Posted on 2004-11-19
01:05:28
at OSNews [http://www.osnews.com/]


Original Story URL at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8921


November, 15 2004. The Solaris
10/NC04Q4 Launch 2004. Dawn in San Jose, CA was a truly beautiful sight to
behold on Monday. As the sun rose over the mountains and shed its light on the
valley below - the city, which the night before had seemed so unimpressive,
suddenly came to life in the shimmer of the sun's rays. It seemed a perfect
morning for the launch of Sun's most ambitious project to date. The press and
other attendees looked happy, hopeful. Sun's folks were excited - especially the
engineers.

The
Good

Solaris 10 represents the
culmination of a half billion dollars investment and the work of 3000 engineers.
Sun Microsystem's investment in technology is well evidenced in this version of
Solaris - it is all about the technology. According to John Loiacono, Executive
Vice President of the Software Group at Sun, the goals for the Solaris Operating
System were Performance, Efficiency, Security and Availability. A listing of new
features shows that Sun has worked very hard indeed to achieve these goals. New
Features include a completely rewritten TCP stack, Dynamic Tracing, Solaris
Containers, Linux Application Environment, ZFS, Predictive Self Healing, Solaris
Process Rights Management, Guaranteed Source and Binary Compatibility and many
others. These eight features alone make it well worthwhile to consider Solaris
10 as an Operating System.


Solaris 10 is FREE. Solaris 10 will be released with a Free Binary Right to
Use - RTU. The license will apply to all platforms for end users. It does not
come with any technical support other than what is available on the World Wide
Web. The freeing of Solaris begins the fulfillment of Scott McNealy's long ago
prophetic statement that software would one day be free.


Solaris has a new logo - simple, but nice.


New Features Rewritten TCP Stack
Sun claims that the new TCP
stack is very much improved over previous versions. Simply upgrading from a
previous version of Solaris to Solaris 10 will result in a minimum 20% increase
in speed according to Mr. Loiacono. Sun is looking to drive 10 Gigabit Ethernet
to full saturation and the improved stack is a giant step towards realizing that
goal.


Dynamic Tracing
Dynamic Tracing, or DTrace as the console
application front end for it is called, is all the rage in development circles.
A search on Google results in 35,300 results today. DTrace is the developer and
system administrator's ultimate tracing tool. It allows the user to instrument
the Operating System so that it can be observed in action. Want to know how many
I/O operations are occurring at any given moment, or what process caused the I/O
at any level of the application stack? DTrace and its scripting language, D, can
tell you - fast! Debugging and performance analysis are likely never going to be
the same again. I sat down with the author of DTrace, Sun's Senior Staff
Engineer, Bryan Cantrill and asked for a demonstration, what I got was a
revelation. In less than 10 minutes I was shown more of the inner workings of
the kernel than you would probably be able to navigate in days of debugging or
digging through source code. It became clear to me why Sun's engineers were so
pumped. According to Bryan, when DTrace is not running, there is zero overhead
on the system and when it is running, the load is proportional to the complexity
of the observation. Therefore, a simple question will have a negligible impact
on the system and a hard question will have a greater impact. To be fair, during
the demonstration, I saw no impact on the system, whatsoever.


Solaris Containers
Formerly, N1 Grid Containers, this technology
provides separate virtual instances of the Solaris Operating Environment running
on a single machine. Containers are an emerging technology of mammoth
proportions. Sun did not promote the containers as much as they could have. This
is an extremely important technology as it provides isolation, increased
utilization of resources and speedy environment restart, cloning, and other cool
features with very little overhead - unlike VMWare and other emulation
environments. I sat with one of Sun's Senior Technical Product Managers for
Solaris Containers/Zones, Angel Camacho, for a lab where we created a number of
containers. In a little over 15 minutes we were able to create 3 separate
containers, with their own IP addresses and file systems. The containers are
impressive, simple to understand, simple to use and very powerful, look for
enterprise deployments of container technology soon.


Linux Application Environment
Formerly, Project Janus, LAE is the
penguin running on the sun - Linux binaries running unmodified, without
emulation, on Solaris. This is one ambitious project that aims at bringing the
thousands of Linux applications to the Solaris platform.


ZFS
The Zetabyte File System is yet another technological
breakthrough. 19 nines reliability, 128 bits, fault resilient file system,
combine to provide an awesome new model for the next several decades. Anyone who
has ever worked with complex raid configurations will appreciate ZFS. ZFS will
provide, massive scalability, easy administration, space age error detection and
correction and data security.


Predictive Self-Healing
Solaris 10's Fault Manager and Service
Manager work together to provide comprehensive prediction and detection of
system failures - both Hardware and Software. These managers increase
reliability and redundancy, while at the same time decrease the likelihood of
failure and provide faster recovery and diagnosis. Incomprehensible error
messages are replaced with telemetry events that are passed from the Fault
Manager to componentized error handlers. The predictive self healing capability
allows the Operating System to predict that RAM is likely to fail after some
number of events and to remove that one faulty component to be removed without
taking down the system.


Solaris Process Rights Management
Thanks to Trusted Solaris,
Solaris 10 is going to be much more secure than its predecessors. This is
military grade security and it is going to be available by default. There will
also be a strengthened cryptographic framework delivered as well.


Guaranteed Source and Binary Compatibility
Since version 2.6 of the
Operating System, Solaris has guaranteed Binary Compatibility. This is something
that neither Microsoft Windows nor any distribution of Linux has offered. When I
spoke with performance expert, Jarod Jenson, Chief Systems Architect for Aeysis,
about Sun's networking performance claim, he supported the claim, stating that
his clients consistently found significant performance gains through the simple
upgrade to Solaris 10. Coming from a Linux/Microsoft Windows background I was
somewhat skeptical of the 'simple' characterization of upgrading. Jarod quickly
put my skepticism in the back seat. He explained the Binary Compatibility
feature and how it eases migrations. The source code guarantee goes much further
than the binary compatibility guarantee and guarantees that any source code that
compiled and ran on a previous version of Solaris, back to 2.6 will require a
simple recompile to run. This is a huge claim and shows a great deal of
confidence in Sun's engineers.


The Bad
The biggest questions on Sun's plate for the launch event
were the Open Source questions. Was Solaris 10 truly going to be open source?
What licensing model would be used? What would the terms be? Would DTrace and
ZFS be included in the source code? The answers - still to come. The biggest
disappointment of the day was the complete lack of final answers to these
important questions. Sun lost an opportunity to step up and state, once and for
all, that YES Solaris 10 will be completely Open Source and unencumbered by
Kodak style patents. The sense, murmurings and whispered wisdom was that indeed
Solaris 10 would be Open Source. The license was yet to be determined - but it
would definitely encourage openness - that a community process would be
forthcoming that would be defined largely by the community - that all of Solaris
would be included, everything required to build from source. But at the end of
the day, there was no news on the Open Source angle, in San Jose. Stay tuned was
the mantra.


Other bad news included the fact that ZFS would not be included in the GA
release (general availability release), but that it would be in a future update
- tentatively, Update 1. LAE was also not going to be fully guaranteed in the GA
release, although the functionality would be part of the final GA release. It
should be interesting to see what defines the final GA release - another stay
tuned.


The Ugly
All right, we have covered the Good and the Bad, that
leaves us with the Ugly. Solaris 10 Beta 7, which was released in October,
contains quite a number of changes from the previous Beta 6. The Gnome Desktop
look and feel of Beta 6 has become the Java Desktop System look and feel in Beta
7. In addition, the Sun X Server has been replaced with the X.org - X Window
System. Also, there is a completely revamped installation program. Coming just a
couple of weeks prior to the launch and a couple months prior to the GA release,
this seems like a late date to be making such sweeping, visible changes. These
late changes combined with the postponement of ZFS and LAE and the lack of clear
Open Source licensing are the only dark spots in the otherwise bright outlook
for Solaris.


Conclusion
Solaris 10 is a technological marvel that appears to be
headed for the history books as one of the most ambitious and advanced general
purpose operating environments of this generation. Sun is walking a fine line on
the Open Source question. IP enforceability versus community goodwill seems to
be Sun's biggest near term challenge. The free binary RTU for end users might
cover some distance towards community acceptance.


Resources

Sun
href="http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/solaris-express/get.html">Solaris
10 Software Express
[http://sun.com]
href="http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223">DTrace Guide
[http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223]
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[http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/10/ds/zfs.jsp]
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  1. 2004-11-14 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] LUG in Denver
  2. 2004-11-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  3. 2004-11-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  4. 2004-11-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open-source advocate Chris Stone unexpectedly leaves Novell
  5. 2004-11-11 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead
  6. 2004-11-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead
  7. 2004-11-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Arafat Dead
  8. 2004-11-10 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Airforce Hi-Tech Commercial
  9. 2004-11-09 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Airforce Hi-Tech Commercial
  10. 2004-11-09 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: retirement 401-keg
  11. 2004-11-09 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] firefox 1.0
  12. 2004-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House Meeting
  13. 2004-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night Returns!
  14. 2004-11-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Airforce Hi-Tech Commercial
  15. 2004-11-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. Nov. 11, 2004 Davydd Harries on Languages in Fre
  16. 2004-11-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell launches an enterprise Linux desktop
  17. 2004-11-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] tech night
  18. 2004-11-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] tech night
  19. 2004-11-06 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] More FS jobs
  20. 2004-11-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More FS jobs
  21. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell counters Microsoft's Linux 'facts' with 'truth'
  22. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Open-source advocate Chris Stone unexpectedly leaves Novell
  23. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Warnings On New Phishing Threat Nov. 3, 2004
  24. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Keep an Eye on Your Linux Systems with Netstat
  25. 2004-11-05 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Important Message: BOYCOTT LINUXTODAY.COM
  26. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Website Advice
  27. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Ruben, we are looking for a Linux guru to work at our company!
  28. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Open House - Date
  29. 2004-11-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Open House - Date
  30. 2004-11-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Open House - Date
  31. 2004-11-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Open House - Date
  32. 2004-11-04 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] New Website Advice
  33. 2004-11-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] New Website Advice
  34. 2004-11-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House - Date
  35. 2004-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  36. 2004-11-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Adobe dipping toes into desktop Linux waters
  37. 2004-11-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] business (fwd)
  38. 2004-11-03 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Adobe dipping toes into desktop Linux waters
  39. 2004-11-03 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] business (fwd)
  40. 2004-11-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  41. 2004-11-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] business (fwd)
  42. 2004-11-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  43. 2004-11-02 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: TRIVIA
  44. 2004-11-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: ACSS CT and NYC Meeting: JPEGs, Viruses and Your System's
  45. 2004-11-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  46. 2004-11-01 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  47. 2004-11-01 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [hangout] Suse cd
  48. 2004-11-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  49. 2004-11-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [FCNYC] Computer ONLY for non-profit!!!] (fwd)
  50. 2004-11-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft upgrade knocks out 80,000 government PCs
  51. 2004-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Some good political action advise
  52. 2004-11-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  53. 2004-11-29 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  54. 2004-11-29 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  55. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  56. 2004-11-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  57. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RUBEN! I borrowered your Klezmagic CD and copied it! Not Your Scotch. Please do not call the Cops!
  58. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House Materials
  59. 2004-11-28 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] RUBEN! I borrowered your Klezmagic CD and copied it! Not Your Scotch.
  60. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  61. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyer Distribution - Tuesday meeting
  62. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] need car
  63. 2004-11-28 bluecitabria <bluecitabria-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] unsubscribe
  64. 2004-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] need car
  65. 2004-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] need car
  66. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New trolling sight for the argumentitive
  67. 2004-11-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novel Desktop Linux
  68. 2004-11-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In NY, Money Can't Buy Love But Gets a Foot in Door (fwd)
  69. 2004-11-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Linux (fwd)
  70. 2004-11-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers]
  71. 2004-11-26 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  72. 2004-11-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  73. 2004-11-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  74. 2004-11-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Thanks Giving Day Wishes
  75. 2004-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  76. 2004-11-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  77. 2004-11-24 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  78. 2004-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  79. 2004-11-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Open House Flyers
  80. 2004-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  81. 2004-11-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  82. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Em
  83. 2004-11-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Emplyees, Consultants, and Business Owners
  84. 2004-11-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Em
  85. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY & CT Meeting: The Art of Public Relations for Emplyees, Consultants, and Business Owners
  86. 2004-11-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  87. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  88. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Federal Programs Technology Centers Money
  89. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Pick Up
  90. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  91. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  92. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  93. 2004-11-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  94. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  95. 2004-11-23 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  96. 2004-11-23 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  97. 2004-11-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  98. 2004-11-23 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] C/C++ coding problem.
  99. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [MLUG] November 13, 2004 Meeting Notes
  100. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Plans for Flyer Distriubtion
  101. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  102. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  103. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  104. 2004-11-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  105. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  106. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council Repost
  107. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  108. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Institute: Classes
  109. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Skills become more valuable
  110. 2004-11-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  111. 2004-11-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] "Linux World" - Time for a Boycott
  112. 2004-11-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  113. 2004-11-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Be Happy!
  114. 2004-11-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yellow Dog Linux 4.0 Available for Download
  115. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  116. 2004-11-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  117. 2004-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night, Flyers and Classes
  118. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  119. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Local Press
  120. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Local Press
  121. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] "Linux World" - Time for a Boycott
  122. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO and and FUD leads to resignations
  123. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Archive
  124. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] flyers
  125. 2004-11-21 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] flyers
  126. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  127. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  128. 2004-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  129. 2004-11-21 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  130. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  131. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  132. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  133. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  134. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  135. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  136. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  137. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  138. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  139. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  140. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  141. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  142. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  143. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  144. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Trimming an MP3
  145. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  146. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  147. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  148. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  149. 2004-11-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  150. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Perl vs. PHP
  151. 2004-11-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  152. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tonights NYLXS Radio Show - Reading Tea Leaves in Corperate IT
  153. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Nukes Needed for ME
  154. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Call me 1-718-715-1771
  155. 2004-11-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  156. 2004-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  157. 2004-11-19 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  158. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  159. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need more $$$ thinkers at Tech Night!
  160. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk t o the New York Linux Scene]
  161. 2004-11-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk t o
  162. 2004-11-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sun's Solaris 10 Launch - The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly
  163. 2004-11-19 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  164. 2004-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [brantley-at-coraid.com: I would like to give a talk to the New York Linux Scene]
  165. 2004-11-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology
  166. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [moyses-at-inpa.gov.br: How to join?]
  167. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  168. 2004-11-18 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  169. 2004-11-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement
  170. 2004-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  171. 2004-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Learning all about Linux
  172. 2004-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Radio Show Saturday Night
  173. 2004-11-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC'S SECRET GUIDE ON FIRING TEACHERS
  174. 2004-11-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Fedora Core 3 vs. Suse 9.2 Professional
  175. 2004-11-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need suggestions. 3D development software for Linux/Unix.
  176. 2004-11-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  177. 2004-11-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fwd: NY Holiday Event
  178. 2004-11-16 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  179. 2004-11-16 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] Need suggestions. 3D development software for Linux/Unix.
  180. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: OpenOffice
  181. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Open House Schedule and Preparation
  182. 2004-11-15 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  183. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: OpenOffice
  184. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House Schedule and Preparation
  185. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Upcoming Hearings by the Committee on Technology in Government of the New York City Council.
  186. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  187. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [marsee-at-oreilly.com: Word Annoyances Needed for New Book]
  188. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fwd: NY Holiday Event
  189. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..
  190. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Worse than Al-Quada!
  191. 2004-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your Final Notice of Domain Extension]
  192. 2004-11-15 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  193. 2004-11-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  194. 2004-11-15 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your
  195. 2004-11-15 Walt Costanza <wjc-at-retsambew.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: [Fwd: Attention MICHAEL RICHARDSON This is your Final Notice of Domain Extension]
  196. 2004-11-15 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Arafat Dead - and the beat goes on..

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