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Iran Floods Clubhouse to Drown Out Debate
Sune Engel Rasmussen and Aresu Eqbali
9-12 minutes

TEHRAN=97Authoritarian rulers have clamped down on dissidents trying to
organize online in recent years, with some attempting to emulate the
firewall that insulates China=92s homegrown web from the world outside.

Iran has taken a different approach. Knowing its filters aren=92t enough
to keep Iranians off global social-media platforms, it floods them with
propaganda, aiming to turn them to its advantage.

The latest is Clubhouse. Activists complain that Iranian authorities are
co-opting the app to create a facade of democracy ahead of presidential
elections in June to boost voter turnout, which the state has often used
as a badge of legitimacy.

In recent weeks, Iranians have gravitated to Clubhouse to discuss
everything from human-rights abuses in the Islamic Republic to cultural
issues and boycotting the elections. Launched last year, the audio-based
app offers users a way to gather in virtual =93rooms=94 where anyone can
join townhall-style debates.

It would seem to be the kind of platform that would unsettle many
authoritarian leaders. But while other Middle Eastern governments moved
to block it, Iran leaned in.

One recent evening, Foreign Minister Javad Zarif fielded questions until
1 a.m., drawing a maximum capacity of 8,000 listeners. Iran=92s nuclear
chief, its central bank governor and even military commanders have taken
part in their own debates, too.

At first, the discussions seemed unusually frank by Iranian standards.

=93In other social networks which are based on writing, people can edit
what they say,=94 said Farid Naderi, a 33-year-old civil engineer in
Tehran who said he spends three to four hours a day on Clubhouse. =93But
in Clubhouse, individuals speak spontaneously,=94 he said. =93The truth is
naked and transparent in Clubhouse.=94

However, participants soon found familiar red lines even on Clubhouse.

When Omid Memarian, a U.S.-based Iranian journalist, challenged a senior
Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps commander and presidential candidate,
Rostam Qasemi, about the killing of hundreds of street protesters in
2019, Mr. Memarian was cut off by the moderators in Tehran who had
organized the discussion.

=93They said I had radical ideas, and that I shouldn=92t be allowed to ask
these questions,=94 said Mr. Memarian, who is also communications director
at Democracy for the Arab World Now, a non-profit.

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif fielded questions on Clubhouse
recently.
Photo: Vahid Salemi/Associated Press

Mr. Zarif=92s townhall wasn=92t as free as it initially appeared, either.
The organizers later told Clubhouse users that the foreign minister had
said he wouldn=92t accept questions from foreign-based Persian-language
media outlets, which often criticize Iran=92s leadership.

Negin Shiraghaei, a former presenter with the British Broadcasting Corp.
who organizes activists on Clubhouse, said Iranian authorities seek to
uphold the same rules on Clubhouse as they do in the Islamic Republic.

=93They are creating an image,=94 she said. =93In Iran, at meetings with the
Supreme Leader, some people are allowed to ask =91critical questions=92 to
make it seem like there is dialogue.=94

The organizer of the debate with Mr. Zarif, Tehran-based journalist
Farid Modarresi, said he had to follow the rules of the Iranian state,
even online.

=93If you work in a country, you respect its rules. I don=92t disregard
their criticism and don=92t reject what they say in an absolute way,=94 Mr.
Modarresi said about his critics abroad. =93But those outside Iran expect
too much from us.=94

Clubhouse didn=92t respond to requests for comment.

Clubhouse and Twitter Spaces Explained in Clubhouse and Twitter Spaces
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Clubhouse and Twitter Spaces Explained in Clubhouse and Twitter Spaces

Clubhouse and Twitter Spaces Explained in Clubhouse and Twitter Spaces
Audio-only social-media venues are all the rage right now. How does it
all work and what=92s there to listen to? WSJ=92s Joanna Stern went inside
Clubhouse and Twitter Spaces to talk to the people there to find out.
Photo illustration: Kenny Wassus for The Wall Street Journal

Iran=92s approach to Clubhouse follows a tested-and-tried playbook, said
Mahsa Alimardani, who has researched Iran=92s approach to social media at
the University of Oxford=92s Oxford Internet. She said Tehran responded to
the rise of the Telegram messaging app by first blocking it and then
swamping it with pro-Islamic Republic messaging. Some of the most
followed Iranian accounts on Telegram are run by the Revolutionary
Guards, the premier wing of Iran=92s military, or hard-line state media
outlets, fulminating on topics such as the U.S.=92s involvement in the
Middle East or the supposed threat from Israel.

=93As Telegram evolved, the Islamic Republic didn=92t have control over the
app, but it did a lot to control the information space,=94 said Ms.
Alimardani.

When one of the most prominent women=92s-rights activists living in Iran,
Faezeh Rafsanjani, filled a Clubhouse room to capacity within minutes,
she clashed with the moderator who kept interrupting her. Ms.
Rafsanjani, the daughter of a former president, said she no longer
believed in a religious government and encouraged Iranians to boycott
the coming elections. The moderator said he didn=92t want to get arrested
for allowing her to speak.

Omid Memarian, U.S.-based Iranian journalist, was recently cut off by
moderators in a debate on Clubhouse.
Photo: Patrick McMullan/PMC

Many Iranian users have recently been unable to access the app after
some of the country=92s cellphone operators blocked it. But
pro-establishment figures daily use the platform to promote Iran=92s
Islamic systemm including conservative presidential candidates.

Mohammad Mousazadeh, a popular qari, or a skilled reciter of the Quran,
who is affiliated with a hard-line political faction, has racked up
7,600 followers. Iran=92s minister of information and communications
technology, Mohammad-Javad Azari Jahromi, often pops up on the platform
to voice his opinion on a given topic, sometimes while stuck in traffic
in Tehran.

The Iranian parliament this week added over $70 million to a budget
proposed by the government including allocations for what was described
as the state broadcaster=92s =93cyber operatives.=94

Iran=92s social-media tactics represent a novel method of policing the
internet on the cheap.

Other countries try to emulate China=92s firewall through blunt force. In
Vietnam, a 10,000-strong cyber unit called Force 47 patrols the web, and
a 2018 law grants authorities enhanced authority to inspect computer
systems. Dissidents arrested and charged with the crime of spreading
propaganda against the state, as the Vietnamese authorities call it, can
expect to be sentenced to years in prison.

Cambodia in February passed rules requiring all internet traffic in the
country to route through a regulatory body that monitors online activity
before it reaches users. Myanmar=92s leaders have periodically cut mobile
internet access during protests against this year=92s coup, but have also
followed Iran=92s lead by flooding Facebook with disinformation.
U.S.-based think tank Freedom House estimates some 700 military
personnel are involved in the operation.

Iran also blocks the internet during unrest, and imposed a near-blackout
during protests in late 2019. It has developed its own walled-off
internet, with limited success, and recently signed an economic pact
with China that includes the exchange of cybersecurity technology.

=93It is very important for us to be able to establish control over our
cyberspace with the help of China,=94 lawmaker Mahmoud Nabavian told the
semiofficial Mehr News Agency after the agreement was signed.

Virtual private networks and proxies to circumvent state filtering in
Iran are illegal but widely available and the big social-media sites are
widely used. Even Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei=92s office uses Twitter.

Despite the risks and limitations, free-speech advocates maintain there
still are upsides to Clubhouse.

=93Not being able to communicate and speak about our problems has been
always a worry,=94 said Mr. Naderi in Tehran. =93Now we can have a dialogue=
.=94

There is also some satisfaction in being able to confront Iran=92s rulers,
at least temporarily.

=93I went to jail for my writings in Iran,=94 said Mr. Memarian, the
journalist who asked about the killings of protesters. =93It felt good to
tell a senior member of the Revolutionary Guard that he was responsible
for repression.=94

Write to Sune Engel Rasmussen at sune.rasmussen-at-wsj.com
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  73. 2021-05-13 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  74. 2021-05-13 Dudemanguy <dudemanguy-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  75. 2021-05-13 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  76. 2021-05-13 artist <artist-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  77. 2021-05-13 Dudemanguy <dudemanguy-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] service conf file changes
  78. 2021-05-12 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] autofs-s6
  79. 2021-05-11 Dudemanguy <dudemanguy-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] autofs-s6
  80. 2021-05-11 Bryce Vandegrift <bpv-at-disroot.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  81. 2021-05-11 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] autofs-s6
  82. 2021-05-11 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Remmina not installing due to
  83. 2021-05-11 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Remmina not installing due to
  84. 2021-05-17 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #512 - Celebration Time
  85. 2021-05-17 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] New postgreSQL dump for 3.8 series
  86. 2021-05-18 Michael Drake <tlsa-at-netsurf-browser.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] Getting APNG support into
  87. 2021-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Stupid ideas keep coming from gnome
  88. 2021-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Syrians in Denmark asked to leave...
  89. 2021-05-18 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] thunderbird-artix not able to
  90. 2021-05-19 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Problem with install
  91. 2021-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Problem with install instructions
  92. 2021-05-24 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #513 - Perl 5.34.0 is now available!
  93. 2021-05-25 From: =?windows-1250?Q?Jernej_Simon=E8i=E8?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Help
  94. 2021-05-25 From: "Greg Farough, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] This Thursday at 13:00 EDT: Community meeting on
  95. 2021-05-27 ruth02-at-web.de Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?real_Ruben_or_doppelg=C3=A4nger_=3F?=
  96. 2021-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  97. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  98. 2021-05-27 Dave Stevens <geek-at-uniserve.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  99. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  100. 2021-05-27 Michael Richards via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  101. 2021-05-28 Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  102. 2021-05-28 Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  103. 2021-05-28 Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  104. 2021-05-28 Marco Ciampa via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  105. 2021-05-28 Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  106. 2021-05-28 Simon Budig <simon-at-budig.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  107. 2021-05-27 Norbert Preining via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  108. 2021-05-28 Bob Long <bob-at-oblong.com.au> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  109. 2021-05-25 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  110. 2021-05-27 Federico Mena Quintero <federico-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  111. 2021-05-26 Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  112. 2021-05-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  113. 2021-05-25 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  114. 2021-05-25 Michael Richards via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct -
  115. 2021-05-25 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  116. 2021-05-28 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  117. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  118. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  119. 2021-05-28 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  120. 2021-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  121. 2021-05-28 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  122. 2021-05-22 From: "New York Sun" <editor-at-nysun.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Uncle Sam Gets Set To Dig into Your Bank Account
  123. 2021-05-28 Dave Stevens <geek-at-uniserve.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  124. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  125. 2021-05-28 Dave Stevens <geek-at-uniserve.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  126. 2021-05-28 Joseph A Nagy Jr via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  127. 2021-05-28 Joseph A Nagy Jr via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  128. 2021-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  129. 2021-05-28 From: "S. via gimp-user-list" <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  130. 2021-05-29 From: =?UTF-8?B?RMOhdmlkIFZpcsOhZw==?= <virag.david003-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] How should I update the screen in an fbdev driver?
  131. 2021-05-29 Robert Heller <heller-at-deepsoft.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Mailman-Users] Is it my server or Yahoo's
  132. 2021-05-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] volunteers for openshot
  133. 2021-05-31 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health demo database at
  134. 2021-05-30 Kevin Cozens <kevin-at-ve3syb.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Script-fu in GIMP - and batch
  135. 2021-05-30 Alain Knaff <alain-at-knaff.lu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU mtools 4.0.28 released
  136. 2021-05-30 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Script-fu in GIMP - and batch
  137. 2021-05-30 ludo0565 <ludo0565-at-dbmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Script-fu in GIMP - and batch
  138. 2021-05-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Blues Away
  139. 2021-05-31 Armand MPASSY-NZOUMBA via Health <health-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health demo database at
  140. 2021-05-31 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <m.markowycz-at-ieee.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Reminder: Register Today! Upcoming IEEE
  141. 2021-05-31 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #514 - Is OOP bad?
  142. 2021-05-31 Alain Knaff <alain-at-knaff.lu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU mtools 4.0.29 released

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