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One point: by all means say the acronymic name of the project and
software is sub-optimal, but please provide a proposed better name.
And for the acronym? A renaming of those 4 words fails on the first
and last I think.

They could be reordered without losing sense:-

GNU Image Manipulation Program could become GNU Manipulating Images Program.


It is a general principle of Open Source movements that nobody may (or
can) be prevented from doing the work and offering it, but that also
nobody may instruct anyone else that they must do some work.

Offer money, that'd be different, although none of this is work I'd
care to bid for.


Gnome.
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You seem to be asserting that nobody would be upset by being called a gnome.
It isn't so.

However since there are more things than words, some words get used
for more than one thing.


Googling for gimp, Gimp or GIMP, I find the first result is for the
GNU Image Manipulation Program.

GIMP is a longstanding project, first announced in November 1995

It takes 4 paragraphs down from that to find anything else. (And
that's an article in The Register telling us of the formation of
Glimpse. It asserts the most modern - new - use of the word - which
I'd distinguish from the acronym, but that may be too subtle - gimp is
as given by the OP here.

GIMP is a longstanding project, first announced in November 1995

When did gimp start being used in the sense complained of?
"gimp leg" occurs in British fiction of I think the 1940s, perhaps
earlier, but always in relation to someone wounded in the leg during
one of the recent wars, as an adjective, and as a first person
description ("my gimp leg"), not a pejorative one about another
person. However the use complained of may have arisen more recently.

When? BTW?

I first recall it in contemporary use in a film,Pulp Fiction,
referring to someone whose sexual tastes were unusual in a specific
way involving a leather suit and mask. I think that unless the fox
changes his fur that would not be confused.


"Finally, if you still have strong feelings about the name "GIMP", you
should feel free to promote the use of the long form GNU Image
Manipulation Program"

Two points in that quote from the project website: it is the acronym
GIMP that is offered as the short form name, and the name is the long
form.


Glimpse seems a misconceived reaction, and not really to what it was
presented as.
To fork the project and produce a new one whose mission statement
might be "A fork of the GNU Image Manipulation Program Project
intended to have exactly one difference: the name, which does not suit
everyone for various reasons" would do the job. The OP is as free as
anyone else to do so and good luck. I'd suggest that attempting to
acquire donations for anything more than the direct cost of
duplicating and storing the project would be unwise in terms of
effect.
Glimpse (not apparently an acronym?)

I'm not bothered, but then I've done no work in the project, whereas
the OP has perhaps made many useful contributions, and the maintainers
who have thought about it before certainly have.


Adrian Midgley http://defoam.net/ http://defoam.net/photo.defoam.net/

On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 13:01, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>
> * Shlomi Fish [05-26-21 02:52]:
> > On Tue, 25 May 2021 17:14:45 -0400
> > Liam R E Quin wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2021-05-25 at 16:57 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > it would only be considered discriminatory if presented in a manner
> > > > to
> > > > depict discrimination. as a mere application name, it is not
> > > > discriminatory, only distasteful to one who is so narrow of mind to
> > > > consider it so.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Pease don't try telling people that they don't find something
> > > unpleasant. The term is used as an insult in some regions. Calling
> > > people names (narrow-minded) for being offended merely adds insult to
> > > an injury.
> > >
> > > There do seem to be cultural and linguistic differences in the
> > > relationship between people and symbols. The role of tone of voice
> > > differs between cultures too.
> > >
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > I think people should encourage criticism and learn how to grow a thicker skin
> > and to handle crit:
> > http://shlomifishswiki.branchable.com/Encourage_criticism_and_try_to_get_offended/
> > yes, even women can and should. i took some insults to my advantage:
> >
> > * https://www.shlomifish.org/me/rindolf/#rindolf_the_evil_reindeer
> >
> > * https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/the-eternal-jew/#reception
> >
> > * https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/nicknames.xhtml
>
> yes, we are all entitled to our opinions and to express them. and they
> should only be admonished when directly related to *intentionally* causing
> harm or discomfort to an individual or group. keyword being
> "intentionally".
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  45. 2021-05-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] it is noted that there has been no
  46. 2021-05-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] it is noted that there has been no
  47. 2021-05-10 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Aviva u r not a trustworthy person, making
  48. 2021-05-10 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ruben, what about the pic ?
  49. 2021-05-10 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hope u r not referring to sman356- NOT a
  50. 2021-05-10 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] show me your evidence of virus in the pic. I
  51. 2021-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] show me your evidence of virus in the pic. I
  52. 2021-05-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ruben, what about the pic ?
  53. 2021-05-10 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ruben, what about the pic ?
  54. 2021-05-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ruben, what about the pic ?
  55. 2021-05-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cyberAttack shutsdown NYC Gas Supply
  56. 2021-05-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Tribalism - from a real hero of tolerance and
  57. 2021-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fishing Trip for NYLXS
  58. 2021-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Throw them a spare $20 - please.
  59. 2021-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Attacking Elections
  60. 2021-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 has now let us raise a generation of
  61. 2021-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] COVID-19 has now let us raise a
  62. 2021-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: A Not-So-Little War Brings Palestinian Arabs
  63. 2021-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Twelve Months for the CDC to get to the obvious
  64. 2021-05-13 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Health Digest, Vol 117, Issue 4
  65. 2021-05-13 Vincenzo Virgilio <vincenzo.virgilio1972-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Health Digest, Vol 117, Issue 4
  66. 2021-05-13 Chofetz Chaim Yerushalayim <chofetzchaim.jerusalem-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] BONUS ROUND - $300,000!!!
  67. 2021-05-15 Efstathios Iosifidis <iefstathios-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] FOSSCOMM 2021 (online conference) - Call
  68. 2021-05-15 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] about newer
  69. 2021-05-14 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] about newer librewolf
  70. 2021-05-15 artist <artist-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [universe] about newer
  71. 2021-05-13 Dudemanguy <dudemanguy-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  72. 2021-05-13 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  73. 2021-05-13 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  74. 2021-05-13 Dudemanguy <dudemanguy-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  75. 2021-05-13 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  76. 2021-05-13 artist <artist-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  77. 2021-05-13 Dudemanguy <dudemanguy-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] service conf file changes
  78. 2021-05-12 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] autofs-s6
  79. 2021-05-11 Dudemanguy <dudemanguy-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] autofs-s6
  80. 2021-05-11 Bryce Vandegrift <bpv-at-disroot.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Corrupted packages
  81. 2021-05-11 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] autofs-s6
  82. 2021-05-11 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Remmina not installing due to
  83. 2021-05-11 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Remmina not installing due to
  84. 2021-05-17 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #512 - Celebration Time
  85. 2021-05-17 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] New postgreSQL dump for 3.8 series
  86. 2021-05-18 Michael Drake <tlsa-at-netsurf-browser.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] Getting APNG support into
  87. 2021-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Stupid ideas keep coming from gnome
  88. 2021-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Syrians in Denmark asked to leave...
  89. 2021-05-18 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] thunderbird-artix not able to
  90. 2021-05-19 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Problem with install
  91. 2021-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Problem with install instructions
  92. 2021-05-24 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #513 - Perl 5.34.0 is now available!
  93. 2021-05-25 From: =?windows-1250?Q?Jernej_Simon=E8i=E8?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Help
  94. 2021-05-25 From: "Greg Farough, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] This Thursday at 13:00 EDT: Community meeting on
  95. 2021-05-27 ruth02-at-web.de Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?real_Ruben_or_doppelg=C3=A4nger_=3F?=
  96. 2021-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  97. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  98. 2021-05-27 Dave Stevens <geek-at-uniserve.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  99. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  100. 2021-05-27 Michael Richards via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  101. 2021-05-28 Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  102. 2021-05-28 Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  103. 2021-05-28 Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  104. 2021-05-28 Marco Ciampa via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  105. 2021-05-28 Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  106. 2021-05-28 Simon Budig <simon-at-budig.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  107. 2021-05-27 Norbert Preining via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  108. 2021-05-28 Bob Long <bob-at-oblong.com.au> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  109. 2021-05-25 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  110. 2021-05-27 Federico Mena Quintero <federico-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  111. 2021-05-26 Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  112. 2021-05-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  113. 2021-05-25 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  114. 2021-05-25 Michael Richards via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct -
  115. 2021-05-25 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  116. 2021-05-28 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  117. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  118. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  119. 2021-05-28 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  120. 2021-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  121. 2021-05-28 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  122. 2021-05-22 From: "New York Sun" <editor-at-nysun.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Uncle Sam Gets Set To Dig into Your Bank Account
  123. 2021-05-28 Dave Stevens <geek-at-uniserve.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  124. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  125. 2021-05-28 Dave Stevens <geek-at-uniserve.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  126. 2021-05-28 Joseph A Nagy Jr via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  127. 2021-05-28 Joseph A Nagy Jr via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  128. 2021-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  129. 2021-05-28 From: "S. via gimp-user-list" <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  130. 2021-05-29 From: =?UTF-8?B?RMOhdmlkIFZpcsOhZw==?= <virag.david003-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] How should I update the screen in an fbdev driver?
  131. 2021-05-29 Robert Heller <heller-at-deepsoft.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Mailman-Users] Is it my server or Yahoo's
  132. 2021-05-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] volunteers for openshot
  133. 2021-05-31 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health demo database at
  134. 2021-05-30 Kevin Cozens <kevin-at-ve3syb.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Script-fu in GIMP - and batch
  135. 2021-05-30 Alain Knaff <alain-at-knaff.lu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU mtools 4.0.28 released
  136. 2021-05-30 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Script-fu in GIMP - and batch
  137. 2021-05-30 ludo0565 <ludo0565-at-dbmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Script-fu in GIMP - and batch
  138. 2021-05-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Blues Away
  139. 2021-05-31 Armand MPASSY-NZOUMBA via Health <health-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health demo database at
  140. 2021-05-31 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <m.markowycz-at-ieee.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Reminder: Register Today! Upcoming IEEE
  141. 2021-05-31 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #514 - Is OOP bad?
  142. 2021-05-31 Alain Knaff <alain-at-knaff.lu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU mtools 4.0.29 released

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