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From: Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list
Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
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Does he have standing?
Does he have experience?
Does he have a better suggested name, title, acronym or abbreviation
for the software (no)
Is he an actor??
Does he - I don't suggest he does - make a habit of demanding changes
without contributing to making changes, or the things he changes?
GIMP isn't a word, it is an acronym.
Gimp or gimp is, although it doesn't seem to appear in the project's
There are, I'll remark again, more things than there are words.
Adrian Midgley http://defoam.net/ http://defoam.net/photo.defoam.net/
On Fri, 28 May 2021 at 12:04, Simon Budig wrote:
> Hi all.
> Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list (gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org) wrote:
> > What does Michael Richards do?
> Please stop this kind of implied ad-hominem attack. Thank you.
> And to all others: Thanks for your input. Seems the name discussion
> rears its head again.
> It is not necessary to explain that the term GIMP is not offensive to
> you. Nobody really disputes that GIMP is a "harmless" word to the
> majority of the worlds population. But "majority" is not necessarily the
> relevant metrics here.
> And that "whataboutism" regarding other software projects with possibly
> problematic names is not really helping, since there is nothing to learn
> from that.
> Also nobody really disputes that the original naming of the project is
> influenced by the pulp fiction movie and also in knowledge of the
> derogatory use. And while I was not aware of that issue until a few
> years after getting involved I certainly can understand the thinking
> that likely happened with the naming, as in "hah-hah-funny" as well
> as preferring to undersell and demeaning your own project instead of
> Personally I appreciate the feedback from people who might be the target
> of the derogatory term. These are the most relevant people in this
> discussion. But then we do have a self-selecting bias on this
> mailinglist, since the people offended by the term are less likely to
> participate here.
> This is a knotty discussion, because on the other hand we *do* have a
> huge brand recognition with our name and renaming the project certainly
> will have an effect on me (as a non-native english speaker and als not
> in the "target group" of the derogatory term) and my 24-year-connection
> with the project. I am very much emotionally attached to that name.
> There are tons of technical implications with a renaming and I
> personally believe they are prohibitive. Even if we were to rename
> (unlikely) we'd still have to keep our hands on the term GIMP, if only
> to protect our users from scammers trying to step in the then empty
> From past discussions with other team members I know that we're quite
> unlikely to change then name, but we *are* willing to work on the issue
> by other means. We're willing (and have done so in the past) to reduce
> the appearance of the acronym and put more emphasis on the fully written
> name of the Gnu Image Manipulation Program, although it is really hard
> to not just type the acronym :)
> We're willing to engage with other groups in projects that might
> help reducing the stigma of disabilities and if we somehow would be able
> to use the power of our brand to help reducing the impact of the
> derogatory term I firmly believe we'll gladly do that.
> PS: Just to clarify: While I am fairly confident that I have an idea
> about what the other team members think on that issue I do not speak on
> their behalf. All of the above are my own opinions, this is not an
> official statement.
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