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DATE 2021-05-28
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Hi all.

Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list (gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org) wrote:
> What does Michael Richards do?

Please stop this kind of implied ad-hominem attack. Thank you.

And to all others: Thanks for your input. Seems the name discussion
rears its head again.

It is not necessary to explain that the term GIMP is not offensive to
you. Nobody really disputes that GIMP is a "harmless" word to the
majority of the worlds population. But "majority" is not necessarily the
relevant metrics here.

And that "whataboutism" regarding other software projects with possibly
problematic names is not really helping, since there is nothing to learn
from that.

Also nobody really disputes that the original naming of the project is
influenced by the pulp fiction movie and also in knowledge of the
derogatory use. And while I was not aware of that issue until a few
years after getting involved I certainly can understand the thinking
that likely happened with the naming, as in "hah-hah-funny" as well
as preferring to undersell and demeaning your own project instead of
overhyping.

Personally I appreciate the feedback from people who might be the target
of the derogatory term. These are the most relevant people in this
discussion. But then we do have a self-selecting bias on this
mailinglist, since the people offended by the term are less likely to
participate here.

This is a knotty discussion, because on the other hand we *do* have a
huge brand recognition with our name and renaming the project certainly
will have an effect on me (as a non-native english speaker and als not
in the "target group" of the derogatory term) and my 24-year-connection
with the project. I am very much emotionally attached to that name.

There are tons of technical implications with a renaming and I
personally believe they are prohibitive. Even if we were to rename
(unlikely) we'd still have to keep our hands on the term GIMP, if only
to protect our users from scammers trying to step in the then empty
shoes.

>From past discussions with other team members I know that we're quite
unlikely to change then name, but we *are* willing to work on the issue
by other means. We're willing (and have done so in the past) to reduce
the appearance of the acronym and put more emphasis on the fully written
name of the Gnu Image Manipulation Program, although it is really hard
to not just type the acronym :)

We're willing to engage with other groups in projects that might
help reducing the stigma of disabilities and if we somehow would be able
to use the power of our brand to help reducing the impact of the
derogatory term I firmly believe we'll gladly do that.

Thanks,
Simon

PS: Just to clarify: While I am fairly confident that I have an idea
about what the other team members think on that issue I do not speak on
their behalf. All of the above are my own opinions, this is not an
official statement.

--
simon-at-budig.de http://simon.budig.de/
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  83. 2021-05-11 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Remmina not installing due to
  84. 2021-05-17 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #512 - Celebration Time
  85. 2021-05-17 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] New postgreSQL dump for 3.8 series
  86. 2021-05-18 Michael Drake <tlsa-at-netsurf-browser.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] Getting APNG support into
  87. 2021-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Stupid ideas keep coming from gnome
  88. 2021-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Syrians in Denmark asked to leave...
  89. 2021-05-18 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] thunderbird-artix not able to
  90. 2021-05-19 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Problem with install
  91. 2021-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Problem with install instructions
  92. 2021-05-24 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #513 - Perl 5.34.0 is now available!
  93. 2021-05-25 From: =?windows-1250?Q?Jernej_Simon=E8i=E8?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Help
  94. 2021-05-25 From: "Greg Farough, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] This Thursday at 13:00 EDT: Community meeting on
  95. 2021-05-27 ruth02-at-web.de Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?real_Ruben_or_doppelg=C3=A4nger_=3F?=
  96. 2021-05-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  97. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  98. 2021-05-27 Dave Stevens <geek-at-uniserve.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  99. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  100. 2021-05-27 Michael Richards via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  101. 2021-05-28 Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  102. 2021-05-28 Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  103. 2021-05-28 Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  104. 2021-05-28 Marco Ciampa via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  105. 2021-05-28 Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  106. 2021-05-28 Simon Budig <simon-at-budig.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  107. 2021-05-27 Norbert Preining via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  108. 2021-05-28 Bob Long <bob-at-oblong.com.au> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  109. 2021-05-25 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  110. 2021-05-27 Federico Mena Quintero <federico-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  111. 2021-05-26 Adrian Midgley via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  112. 2021-05-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  113. 2021-05-25 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  114. 2021-05-25 Michael Richards via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of Conduct -
  115. 2021-05-25 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  116. 2021-05-28 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  117. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  118. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  119. 2021-05-28 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  120. 2021-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  121. 2021-05-28 Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  122. 2021-05-22 From: "New York Sun" <editor-at-nysun.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Uncle Sam Gets Set To Dig into Your Bank Account
  123. 2021-05-28 Dave Stevens <geek-at-uniserve.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  124. 2021-05-28 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  125. 2021-05-28 Dave Stevens <geek-at-uniserve.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  126. 2021-05-28 Joseph A Nagy Jr via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  127. 2021-05-28 Joseph A Nagy Jr via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  128. 2021-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  129. 2021-05-28 From: "S. via gimp-user-list" <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Violation of GNOME Code of
  130. 2021-05-29 From: =?UTF-8?B?RMOhdmlkIFZpcsOhZw==?= <virag.david003-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] How should I update the screen in an fbdev driver?
  131. 2021-05-29 Robert Heller <heller-at-deepsoft.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Mailman-Users] Is it my server or Yahoo's
  132. 2021-05-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] volunteers for openshot
  133. 2021-05-31 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health demo database at
  134. 2021-05-30 Kevin Cozens <kevin-at-ve3syb.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Script-fu in GIMP - and batch
  135. 2021-05-30 Alain Knaff <alain-at-knaff.lu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU mtools 4.0.28 released
  136. 2021-05-30 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Script-fu in GIMP - and batch
  137. 2021-05-30 ludo0565 <ludo0565-at-dbmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Script-fu in GIMP - and batch
  138. 2021-05-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Blues Away
  139. 2021-05-31 Armand MPASSY-NZOUMBA via Health <health-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health demo database at
  140. 2021-05-31 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <m.markowycz-at-ieee.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Reminder: Register Today! Upcoming IEEE
  141. 2021-05-31 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #514 - Is OOP bad?
  142. 2021-05-31 Alain Knaff <alain-at-knaff.lu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU mtools 4.0.29 released

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