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'Thin client' computing pushed as Windows alternative




http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/07/28/thinner.computing.ap/index.html


SOMERS, New York (AP) -- The idea is straightforward: Instead of giving
employees computers packed with features they rarely use, companies could
save tons of cash by distributing simple machines tied to powerful central
servers.

Computing vendors have had marginal success over the years with variations
of this "thin client" concept. Now IBM Corp. is betting that with some
tweaks, the technology can become a big hit, challenging the traditional
approach pushed by Microsoft Corp.

IBM and Sun Microsystems Inc., which also offers a server-based computing
system, the Java Desktop, insist their efforts aren't a direct stab at
Microsoft's huge -- and hugely profitable -- presence on corporate desktop
computers.

Even so, the rivals say they hope to win over corporate technology managers
who are tired of the cost and security headaches inherent in having hundreds
of PCs running Microsoft's Windows operating system.

In a server-centric computing system, software updates can be pumped to
every machine at once, and individual computers can be shielded from viruses
and attacks.

"That's one of the biggest things (information technology) faces today:
keeping all of the software on the PC up to date," said Bruce Elgort,
manager of information services for Sharp Corp.'s U.S. microelectronics
division. "It's a nightmare."

He said he's "50-50" on whether to have his organization adopt IBM's new
server-based desktop system, known as Workplace 2. Even so, he said, "I'm
pretty keen on what they're trying to do."

IBM's original Workplace software, launched last year, offered messaging and
collaboration features. Workplace 2 is a new beast because it is managed by
remote servers. Now in pilot testing by 120 IBM customers, Workplace 2 is to
be officially released by the end of July.

IBM expects it to especially appeal to companies with lots of mobile
workers, or employees who use computers only for specific tasks -- people
like bank tellers, call center operators and factory-floor managers.

BM_1
Open-source alternatives


The program gives users a dashboard-like view of several applications,
notably e-mail, instant messaging and a calendar, along with documents
created by the users or their colleagues. In an important step, IBM released
software tools this month to let outside developers create programs that
work with Workplace 2.

Workplace 2 runs on Windows or Linux computers, and its dashboard can
incorporate the big three applications in Microsoft's Office software
package -- Word, PowerPoint presentations and Excel spreadsheets.

But if a user doesn't want to buy Microsoft Office software, Workplace draws
on open-source alternatives that roughly simulate the big three. That means
a Workplace user who doesn't have Word but gets e-mailed a Word document
could open the file, change it and send it back to the source -- who would
then be able to work on it in Word just the same.

Workplace is accessed over a Web browser, so users can be anywhere, even on
a handheld computer or an Internet-connected cell phone. A Macintosh version
is due this fall.

Also, unlike earlier incarnations of thin-client computing, users don't have
to maintain a constant connection to the network. E-mails and other work can
be performed off-line and synched up with central servers later.

One potential flaw, however, is that Workplace for now lacks a unified
search program that lets users hunt for data across multiple applications.
Meanwhile, Microsoft and third-party developers are making that kind of
function a high priority.

IBM won't make claims about how much money Workplace users can save by
dumping Microsoft Office, which has a staggering 400 million users
worldwide.

But it's safe to say Workplace is a big bet.

IBM's $14 billion software division, the world's No. 2 software supplier,
not only has to win over Microsoft customers but keep its own excited --
such as users of its Lotus Notes and Domino e-mail programs, both of which
can be accessed in Workplace. Notes alone has 110 million users.

Also, if Workplace is a success, it could help IBM sell servers, back-end
technology services and PCs that run Linux, now a relatively tiny market.

BM_2
Gauging success


Sun is in more desperate straits, having seen business plummet since the
dot-com bust. Sun contends big companies can save at least 25 percent on
long-term operating costs by abandoning Windows for Sun's server-managed
Java Desktop System, which runs on Linux.

That message inspired Ireland's largest bank, Allied Irish, to switch 7,500
of its PCs to the Java Desktop, though Sun won't say how many other
customers it has picked up since the software's launch in December. Peder
Ulander, Sun's marketing director for desktop solutions, said it has done
"better than I think we had originally anticipated."

For its part, Microsoft claims not to be threatened by IBM, Sun or any of
the dozens of alternatives to Office.

Dan Leach, product manager for Microsoft's information worker software --
which brought in $10.8 billion of Microsoft's $36.8 billion in revenue over
the past year -- said Windows users have little reason to leave programs
they've relied on for a long time. For example, he said, while Workplace
promises a centralized presentation of collaborative documents, so does
Microsoft's existing SharePoint server software.

"What IBM is suggesting is that customers should use Workplace, but to do
what? To do many of the things our customers are already doing," Leach said.
"Our customers are not interested in giving up the power of their PCs."

Amy Wohl, who runs the Wohl Associates tech consulting firm, said it will
take a few years to gauge the success of programs like Workplace.

Switching isn't easy for many companies, especially those with internal
programs written to work with Office.

"If you're looking for Office to disappear, that's not likely," Wohl said.
"If you're looking for IBM to have a fairly substantial number of customers,
large customers, I think that's reasonable. ... It's going to be really
interesting to see."


_____

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. All rights reserved.This
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SOMERS, New York (AP) -- The idea is
straightforward: Instead of giving employees computers packed with
features they rarely use, companies could save tons of cash by
distributing simple machines tied to powerful central servers.


Computing vendors have had marginal success over the years with
variations of this "thin client" concept. Now IBM Corp. is betting that
with some tweaks, the technology can become a big hit, challenging the
traditional approach pushed by Microsoft Corp.


IBM and Sun Microsystems Inc., which also offers a server-based
computing system, the Java Desktop, insist their efforts aren't a direct
stab at Microsoft's huge -- and hugely profitable -- presence on corporate
desktop computers.


Even so, the rivals say they hope to win over corporate technology
managers who are tired of the cost and security headaches inherent in
having hundreds of PCs running Microsoft's Windows operating system.


In a server-centric computing system, software updates can be pumped to
every machine at once, and individual computers can be shielded from
viruses and attacks.


"That's one of the biggest things (information technology) faces today:
keeping all of the software on the PC up to date," said Bruce Elgort,
manager of information services for Sharp Corp.'s U.S. microelectronics
division. "It's a nightmare."


He said he's "50-50" on whether to have his organization adopt IBM's
new server-based desktop system, known as Workplace 2. Even so, he said,
"I'm pretty keen on what they're trying to do."


IBM's original Workplace software, launched last year, offered
messaging and collaboration features. Workplace 2 is a new beast because
it is managed by remote servers. Now in pilot testing by 120 IBM
customers, Workplace 2 is to be officially released by the end of
July.


IBM expects it to especially appeal to companies with lots of mobile
workers, or employees who use computers only for specific tasks -- people
like bank tellers, call center operators and factory-floor managers.

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Open-source alternatives


The program gives users a dashboard-like view of several applications,
notably e-mail, instant messaging and a calendar, along with documents
created by the users or their colleagues. In an important step, IBM
released software tools this month to let outside developers create
programs that work with Workplace 2.


Workplace 2 runs on Windows or Linux computers, and its dashboard can
incorporate the big three applications in Microsoft's Office software
package -- Word, PowerPoint presentations and Excel spreadsheets.


But if a user doesn't want to buy Microsoft Office software, Workplace
draws on open-source alternatives that roughly simulate the big three.
That means a Workplace user who doesn't have Word but gets e-mailed a Word
document could open the file, change it and send it back to the source --
who would then be able to work on it in Word just the same.


Workplace is accessed over a Web browser, so users can be anywhere,
even on a handheld computer or an Internet-connected cell phone. A
Macintosh version is due this fall.


Also, unlike earlier incarnations of thin-client computing, users don't
have to maintain a constant connection to the network. E-mails and other
work can be performed off-line and synched up with central servers
later.


One potential flaw, however, is that Workplace for now lacks a unified
search program that lets users hunt for data across multiple applications.
Meanwhile, Microsoft and third-party developers are making that kind of
function a high priority.


IBM won't make claims about how much money Workplace users can save by
dumping Microsoft Office, which has a staggering 400 million users
worldwide.


But it's safe to say Workplace is a big bet.


IBM's $14 billion software division, the world's No. 2 software
supplier, not only has to win over Microsoft customers but keep its own
excited -- such as users of its Lotus Notes and Domino e-mail programs,
both of which can be accessed in Workplace. Notes alone has 110 million
users.


Also, if Workplace is a success, it could help IBM sell servers,
back-end technology services and PCs that run Linux, now a relatively tiny
market.


Gauging success


Sun is in more desperate straits, having seen business plummet since
the dot-com bust. Sun contends big companies can save at least 25 percent
on long-term operating costs by abandoning Windows for Sun's
server-managed Java Desktop System, which runs on Linux.


That message inspired Ireland's largest bank, Allied Irish, to switch
7,500 of its PCs to the Java Desktop, though Sun won't say how many other
customers it has picked up since the software's launch in December. Peder
Ulander, Sun's marketing director for desktop solutions, said it has done
"better than I think we had originally anticipated."


For its part, Microsoft claims not to be threatened by IBM, Sun or any
of the dozens of alternatives to Office.


Dan Leach, product manager for Microsoft's information worker software
-- which brought in $10.8 billion of Microsoft's $36.8 billion in revenue
over the past year -- said Windows users have little reason to leave
programs they've relied on for a long time. For example, he said, while
Workplace promises a centralized presentation of collaborative documents,
so does Microsoft's existing SharePoint server software.


"What IBM is suggesting is that customers should use Workplace, but to
do what? To do many of the things our customers are already doing," Leach
said. "Our customers are not interested in giving up the power of their
PCs."


Amy Wohl, who runs the Wohl Associates tech consulting firm, said it
will take a few years to gauge the success of programs like Workplace.


Switching isn't easy for many companies, especially those with internal
programs written to work with Office.


"If you're looking for Office to disappear, that's not likely," Wohl
said. "If you're looking for IBM to have a fairly substantial number of
customers, large customers, I think that's reasonable. ... It's going to
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  42. 2004-08-10 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] pet projects??
  43. 2004-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] pet projects??
  44. 2004-08-10 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] pet projects??
  45. 2004-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sunny Boy
  46. 2004-08-10 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Sunny Boy
  47. 2004-08-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sunny Boy
  48. 2004-08-10 Deosaran Bisnath <deobisnath-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] Sunny Boy
  49. 2004-08-10 Deosaran Bisnath <deobisnath-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] Sunny Boy
  50. 2004-08-10 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> RE: [hangout] Sunny Boy
  51. 2004-08-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: [NMLUG] SSH bot going around
  52. 2004-08-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM Linux LPI On-Line Courses
  53. 2004-08-10 Shani Safir <shani-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] imtesting mutt
  54. 2004-08-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS August 2004 Events (More to Come!)
  55. 2004-08-10 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] pet projects??
  56. 2004-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: RE: I want to donate computers]
  57. 2004-08-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU/Linux Scene Calender for Today
  58. 2004-08-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: business
  59. 2004-08-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] M1 Abrams tank is powered by a gas turbine.
  60. 2004-08-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] M1 Abrams tank is powered by a gas turbine.
  61. 2004-08-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl Web Applications Developer (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  62. 2004-08-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Senior Perl/Mason Web software developer (onsite), United States, NY, Park Slope, Brooklyn]
  63. 2004-08-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Freedom Day (fwd)
  64. 2004-08-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting and NYLXS Map for the next Month
  65. 2004-08-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Software Freedom Day (fwd)
  66. 2004-08-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Board Meeting and NYLXS Map for the next Month
  67. 2004-08-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting and NYLXS Map for the next Month
  68. 2004-08-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Explain this to me.
  69. 2004-08-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Explain this to me.
  70. 2004-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Explain this to me.
  71. 2004-08-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Explain this to me.
  72. 2004-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] projector
  73. 2004-08-16 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] projector
  74. 2004-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] projector
  75. 2004-08-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Yellow Dog Bites Back
  76. 2004-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Yellow Dog Bites Back
  77. 2004-08-16 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Yellow Dog Bites Back
  78. 2004-08-16 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Yellow Dog Bites Back
  79. 2004-08-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] BAN THE IRANIANS - NOW!
  80. 2004-08-16 Derrick Lewis <lewisdj-at-bc.edu> Subject: [hangout] Cheap Place to Buy Rackmount Servers
  81. 2004-08-16 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Explain this to me.
  82. 2004-08-16 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] projector
  83. 2004-08-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Software Freedom Day (fwd)
  84. 2004-08-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Yellow Dog Bites Back
  85. 2004-08-17 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: Software Freedom Day 2004 Posters/ Handouts/Flyers etc
  86. 2004-08-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Upcoming August / Sept 2004 Meetings - Various LUGS (Other than N
  87. 2004-08-18 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Compiler.
  88. 2004-08-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Compiler.
  89. 2004-08-18 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Compiler.
  90. 2004-08-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Compiler.
  91. 2004-08-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Compiler.
  92. 2004-08-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Compiler.
  93. 2004-08-18 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Winners of Product Excellence Awards Announced at L
  94. 2004-08-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Winners of Product Excellence Awards Announced at LinuxWorld Conf erence & Expo
  95. 2004-08-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Compiler.
  96. 2004-08-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Getting Linux off the Ground
  97. 2004-08-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Makefile problem
  98. 2004-08-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Compiler.
  99. 2004-08-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Define an operating system.
  100. 2004-08-19 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Define an operating system.
  101. 2004-08-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Makefile problem
  102. 2004-08-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Define an operating system.
  103. 2004-08-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GTK Clinical Application Development
  104. 2004-08-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] OSDL introduces improved Linux kernel development tool
  105. 2004-08-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] Typical Bush method of handling the press.] (fwd)
  106. 2004-08-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Define an operating system.
  107. 2004-08-20 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Posting flyers
  108. 2004-08-21 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Posting flyers
  109. 2004-08-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Buying Linux System out of the Box
  110. 2004-08-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Freedom is in the AIR!!
  111. 2004-08-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft Efforts to undermine Free Software
  112. 2004-08-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Movie Studios Lose In Case Against File-Sharing Apps
  113. 2004-08-22 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Freedom is in the AIR!!
  114. 2004-08-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Freedom is in the AIR!!
  115. 2004-08-22 Derrick Lewis <lewisdj-at-bc.edu> Re: [hangout] Freedom is in the AIR!!
  116. 2004-08-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GTK Documentation error
  117. 2004-08-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GTK Documentation error
  118. 2004-08-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] repacking boxes and keeping a handle on the toplevel window and all it's chidren
  119. 2004-08-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] sven-at-gimp.org: Re: GTK Documentation error
  120. 2004-08-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Windows users are reminded that MS products are faulty.
  121. 2004-08-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Posting flyers
  122. 2004-08-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Posting flyers
  123. 2004-08-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Data to Callback Functions
  124. 2004-08-23 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] free culture
  125. 2004-08-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] New York State Fair - Aug 26 - Sept 06, 2004
  126. 2004-08-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] NYS County Fairs (Still some left before end of Summer)
  127. 2004-08-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Data to Callback Functions
  128. 2004-08-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] Re: allofmp3.com (ru)
  129. 2004-08-24 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] Re: allofmp3.com (ru)
  130. 2004-08-24 akbar <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] SFD 2004 - Need Help Picking Up Completed CDs and
  131. 2004-08-24 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] SFD 2004 - Need Help Picking Up Completed CDs and
  132. 2004-08-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] SFD 2004 - Need Help Picking Up Completed CDs and M
  133. 2004-08-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] SFD 2004 - Need Help Picking Up Completed CDs and M
  134. 2004-08-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] SFD 2004 - Need Help Picking Up Completed CDs and M
  135. 2004-08-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] SFD 2004 - Need Help Picking Up Completed CDs and M
  136. 2004-08-24 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] SFD 2004 - Need Help Picking Up Completed CDs and M aterials
  137. 2004-08-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SFD 2004 - Need Help Picking Up Completed CDs and Materials
  138. 2004-08-24 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] SFD 2004 - Need Help Picking Up Completed CDs and Materials
  139. 2004-08-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SFD 2004 - Need Help Picking Up Completed CDs and Materials
  140. 2004-08-24 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Projector screen
  141. 2004-08-24 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [NMLUG] Re: allofmp3.com (ru)
  142. 2004-08-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SFD 2004 - Need Help Picking Up Completed CDs and Materials
  143. 2004-08-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So you think you know Unix
  144. 2004-08-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Is Linux too good to be true?
  145. 2004-08-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Reiser4 is released!
  146. 2004-08-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Freedom Day 2004 - Sat Aug 28, 2004 (Public Transportati on
  147. 2004-08-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] SFD
  148. 2004-08-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Is Linux too good to be true?
  149. 2004-08-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GTK: When 0 + 1 = 0
  150. 2004-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Software freedom day.
  151. 2004-08-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Software freedom day.
  152. 2004-08-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] App tests for Win XP SP2 burden users
  153. 2004-08-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GTK: When 0 + 1 = 0
  154. 2004-08-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Migrating Windows to Linux -- and back -- and forth
  155. 2004-08-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: information on New York Linux Scene
  156. 2004-08-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Software freedom day.
  157. 2004-08-31 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  158. 2004-08-31 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  159. 2004-08-31 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  160. 2004-08-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Assembly
  161. 2004-08-31 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Mepis
  162. 2004-08-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Mepis
  163. 2004-08-31 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Mepis
  164. 2004-08-31 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Mepis
  165. 2004-08-31 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Mepis
  166. 2004-08-31 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mepis
  167. 2004-08-31 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mepis
  168. 2004-08-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Mepis
  169. 2004-08-31 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Mepis
  170. 2004-08-31 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Mepis
  171. 2004-08-31 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Mepis
  172. 2004-08-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mepis
  173. 2004-08-31 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Mepis
  174. 2004-08-31 mike hjorleifsson <mikeh-at-dtev.com> Re: [hangout] Mepis
  175. 2004-08-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Software freedom day.
  176. 2004-08-31 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Assembly
  177. 2004-08-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Exploiting the Potential of Linux
  178. 2004-08-31 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mepis
  179. 2004-08-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: when 0+1=1
  180. 2004-08-31 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [malmonte-at-searchedp.com: Oracle DBA]

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