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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:13:15 -0500
From: Ruben I Safir
To: David Sugar , rms-at-gnu.org
Cc: vin , C-FIT_Release_Community-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org, C-FIT_Community-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org, Hangout , fairuse-at-nylxs.com
Subject: Re: [hangout] Gnu/Linux maintainers protecting MPAA, Jack Valent & co
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Stop sending this shit to nyfairuse.org. If they were NYFAIRUSE, then
they would be me.
Now you got yourself in their shithole.
I, Ruben Safir, do affirm under G-D, that I was the sole founder, and
the sole organizer of NY Fair Use, and that the people running the NYFAIRUSE.org
site hijacked the Domain, and are, in fact, materially, damaging the work done
previously by NY Fair Use.
Do not USE THAT LIST.
Do NOT say Linux, when you mean GNU/Linux and Do not use NYFAIRUSE.org
when you mean NY Fair Use
Let them start their own damn organization....
That being aid, see the first page of the curent NY Fair Use site
It covers what you said and is the write up for our next efforts.
On 2002.11.04 14:28 David Sugar wrote:
> I read this thread, but it seemes to relate to Linux kernel hackers rather
> than GNU Maintainers per say.
> However, I found it to be both clever and childish what Sony has done, as well
> as completely rephrensible. That obviously some engineering group or
> individual at Sony no doubt chose to work on such a thing brings shame to the
> whole engineering profession. Of course, I am reminded there were pleny of
> people of education that should have known better also willing to work for
> Hitler, for Stalin, etc...
> What I find disturbing about this is the presumed right someone has construed
> to knowingly damage my propery. I consider a running kernel to be personal
> property, and certainly to have it or my machine messed with as a form of
> assault. It is with this kind of mis-thinking that some companies had, for
> example, considered it ethically plausable using worms and viruses as a means
> of aggressive and punitive form of "copy protection", and I kid you not, for
> I recall the first time this reared it's ugly head as a serious commercial
> proposal was actually some 20 years ago by a company now long gone.
> Incidently, this is a story I will have to tell about at another time...
> Even if we accept the fundimally flawed and constitutionally INCORRECT idea
> that there exists "intagible property", an idea so ethically abhorrent that
> it constitutes intillectual slavery, we can find some very basic ideas that
> still demonstrate why what Sony has done is rephrehnsible. Let us say I
> steel a bike from someone. This is of course a real property and actual
> property crime. Does this mean the owner has the additional right to smash
> car winshield? To spray paint my walls? That seems to be the conclusion one
> comes to by those that would do this.
> The problem occurs when organizations do believe in the concept of intangible
> property, and thereby believe their own corporate privileges are hence
> greater than the real rights real human beings are given. Such organizations
> tend to become institutionally corrupt, since they start from a fundimentally
> corrupt premise. When one knowingly engages in ethically abhorrent behavior
> in one area or respect, I am sure it becomes far too easy to accept the same
> in other areas.
> Since I am completely disgusted with this thread I think I will say no more
> for now...
> On Monday 04 November 2002 00:45, vin wrote:
> > http://kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=471
> > ____________________________
> > New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> > Fair Use -
> > because it's either fair use or useless....
> New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
> Fair Use -
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