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The Council of the City of New York
***********
Select Committee on Technology in Government

"Expanding Digital Opportunity in New York City Public Schools"

Tuesday, October 21, 2003, 10:00 a.m.
16th Floor Hearing Room, 250 Broadway

Roundtable Summary
City Council Participants
Gale Brewer (GB)
Bruce Lai (BLA)
Leaders and Experts Participants (Alphabetical by Organization)
Shelly Pasnik, Senior Researcher, Center for Children and Technology, Educa=
tion Development Center (SP)
Luyen Chou, Executive Director / Associate Director, Center for Integrated =
Learning and Teaching / The School, Columbia University (LC)
Elisabeth Stock, Executive Director, Computers for Youth (ES)
Paul Robert Marino, Technology Coordinator, Concord High School, Staten Isl=
and (PM)
Pamela Haas, Manager - Corporate Community Relations, IBM Corporation (PH)=
=20
Robin Willner, Director - Corporate Community Relations, IBM Corporation (R=
W)
Bruce Lincoln, Staff Research Associate, Interactive Learning Technologies,=
Teacher's College, Columbia University (BL)
Michael Davino, Principal, Michael J. Petrides School, Staten Island (MD)
Anthony Salcito, Director - US Enterprise Education, Microsoft Corporation =
(AS)
Carole Wacey, Executive Director, MOUSE (CW)
Mark Levine, Vice President, One Economy Corporation (ML)
Lisa Ernst, Executive Director, ThinkQuest (LE)
George Cigale, CEO, Tutor.com (GC)
Laura Allen, President, Vision Education (LA)
Greg Gunn, President, Wireless Generation (GG)
Jon Rubin, Director - State and Local Education Services, WNET-Channel 13 (=
JR)

Note: All comments have been paraphrased and summarized. =20
Introduction / Opening Remarks
GB: Many organizations are using technology in innovative ways. All of yo=
u have been invited here to discuss concrete strategies. Everyone believes=
technology is crucial to every child. Often there is a challenge in terms=
of content. Hardware is important, but content is also important.=20
Common Shared Goals
GB: Let's talk about funding issues and bureaucratic challenges.

CW: The challenges we face are surmountable. We have been following in the=
same footsteps, doing the same things that have already been done. We face=
a big challenge with The Department of Education. We are dealing with a ch=
allenging environment in which we don't know who to talk to or who the lead=
ership is, although this is slightly shifting. This situation puts those tr=
ying to do important work into a holding pattern. We need to know how to wo=
rk and collaborate with DOE and non-profits.

PM: Concord High School is an alternative transfer school for kids with a =
minimum of 8 credits who normally would not graduate from a regular high sc=
hool. We offer an alternative to the GED. Working with technology is a self=
=2Desteem issue. Students using technology score higher in the science regi=
ons test - it helps student visualize what they are working on. Infrastruct=
ure work has evolved, such as management issues, user accounts, and securit=
y issues. Some issues to be addressed are how computers (laptops) are distr=
ibuted, and rules and regulations for their use.

ES: The key challenge is the presumption that technology is the key issue.=
People are the most important factor. Things must be comprehensive - tech=
support, training, and web content. All of the pieces must be in place - =
hardware is only about =BC of the solution.

RW: The critical issue is strategy, as well as budget issues. Technology s=
hould be totally integrated or children will not get the value or opportuni=
ty that is possible. It is not about technology, but about education. Empha=
sis should be on professional development - if teachers are not prepared, k=
ids wont get much out of it. We can use technology to provide better profes=
sional development. We should think about strategy - integrate technology a=
s part of educational strategy. Teachers need to be brought up to speed.

MD: Technology is critical, but we have to transition from the perception =
that technology is an entity that is taught to the perception that it is a =
tool that is utilized. This major shift has never occurred. The group of in=
dividuals that would benefit most from it knows it better than the people t=
hat will teach them. The type of technology that is available now is alread=
y outdated when it gets to hands of the people that will use it. Technology=
must be integrated in new innovative ways. Technology is not a laboratory =
=2D we need to rethink our entire vision.

Our school has 1,200 students, and all 6-12th graders; teaching and support=
staff have laptop computers. The entire campus is a wireless environment. =
Certain classes have the Internet as the textbook - there is a wealth of re=
sources on the Internet. Changes and nuances must be explored.

PM: Issues of classroom management are important - teachers need to be ret=
rained. The idea that every student faces the blackboard doesn't work. Teac=
hers should be able to see what is on students' screens. Computer labs can =
be useful for certain things - like classes on networking. Traditional clas=
sroom design does not work.

BL: Most success models are driven by passion to help students reach the l=
evels they need and they help teachers adjust to make that possible. Conten=
t providers must find leading schools and find what passion drives them. Ch=
ildren have to be the drivers. A lot of these kids have better technology a=
t their homes. We have to drive technology through the entire community. We=
also have to learn about the problems at the most innovative and progressi=
ve schools.

LC: Our school (The School at Columbia University) is about 50% kids of Co=
lumbia faculty, and 50% from the community. The average scholarship is abou=
t $19,000, and most are paying nothing at all. We are setting up computer t=
raining facilities in the school for parents and kids. We don't all agree o=
n technology as a critical part of learning - cost and benefits must be eva=
luated, and there are exorbitant costs. We need to think about what technol=
ogy replaces when implemented in the curriculum. There is so little analysi=
s of best practices, and little cultural understanding within DOE of what i=
s working - even around the country.

JR: Each school administrator is left to reinvent the wheel and implement =
technology in his or her schools. We need a uniform approach to implementat=
ion. Our strength lies in content creation and professional development. Th=
ere is a hunger for this kind of standards-based content. Students are the =
highest users.

RW: Everyone here is doing innovative things, but that is not the norm in =
public schools. Technology must be used to do new things in new ways - we c=
an't just do old things using technology.

ML: The home environment is key to educational achievement. 60%of Housing =
Authority units have access to technology. Hardware is necessary, but not s=
ufficient. The number one use of these computers is for job searches. Kids =
can use them for homework help - help that is multilingual and of an accept=
able literacy level (5th or 6th grade level). Helping people navigate conte=
nt is key.

ES: A theme here today is that kids are driving the agenda. They are our g=
reatest assets. The typical pedagogical model is that tall people have know=
ledge, but we need to look at it from the other perspective. Kids must be i=
nvolved in everything we do; we must help them feel like they are involved.

GG: We have a saying that teachers are not bad at technology, but that tec=
hnology is bad at teachers. Teachers spend most of their time walking aroun=
d the classroom, so we thought to give them palm pilots that are as mobile =
as they are. Teachers embrace them quickly - they are not afraid to use the=
m. It is their device, they are in control, and they feel a sense of owners=
hip. We should ask ourselves - what kind of technology do teachers embrace,=
and what else can be made accessible or personal?

AS: Is technology inherently good in education? It is not new in education=
and it is not new in industry. The history of technology in business is si=
milar to education. Once technology is immersed into how business is done, =
it is effective. In the past, important factors have been the ratio of stud=
ents to PC's, then the presence of Internet connections. Now, the impact th=
at technology has must be looked at. Kids are much more willing to embrace =
change. Once you address the divide with teachers, you will soon be faced w=
ith the divide with parents. The home may not be receptive - parents will b=
e closed out if they don't have professional development in technology as w=
ell.

SP: If you review all of the policy papers, there is surprisingly little d=
ifference in recommendations in the last 20 years. We know that student-cen=
tered learning, an involved community, and an involved administration are n=
ecessary, but we must be more specific in how goals can be achieved, and sp=
ecific needs in each school.

GC: Our organization focuses on the after-school component. Sometimes kids=
need help that they can't get anywhere else. We connect them to live exper=
t tutors. We work in 30 states - primarily in public libraries - here in Qu=
eens and Brooklyn. The library signs up so that all terminals allow student=
s to access live homework help - one-on-one, in real-time. At the end, the =
student completes a survey to tell how it helped them. We service about 200=
0 students a month. Kids love to chat - with this program they feel like th=
ey are, but with an adult that is helping them. We don't face professional =
development challenges, we face money challenges.

LC: The conventional wisdom regarding what qualifies as successful integra=
tion is fairly clear. The position of teachers or administrators does not a=
lways allow implementation.

LA: Teachers are on the front line of a huge change in society - it's not =
just about technology in schools, it's about how everyone is learning. Teac=
hers don't get the support they need. We can make the assumption that Inter=
net will not be an option - often, it doesn't work, it is down, or there is=
no tech support. Teachers need much more help making change - it's about h=
ow learning is used.

MD: Regardless of what level a kid is at, they come in prepared to learn. =
There are already a myriad of issues that have to be addressed - now the di=
gital divide is included. Technology is essential to equity of access. Some=
children from severe poverty levels can't take a walk to the library; they=
don't have an encyclopedia at home to refer to. This issue is not only abo=
ut the classroom and the teachers. It is critical to address equity of educ=
ational achievement and the gap that exists there. One-to-one computing app=
roaches provide equity of access.

MD: We are quick to point out that we need parental involvement, but some =
parents are incapable of providing assistance or stimulation, not because o=
f a lack of desire, but because of a lack of time or resources. Access chan=
ges the environment of learning tremendously.

ES: Computers at home can change education because it involves the kids mo=
re - they develop ownership over their learning. They have opportunities to=
explore their own interests.

RW: As far as content is concerned, there are many great resources. For ex=
ample, IBM's tryscience.org is a site for middle school students to access =
information from science museums worldwide. Kids can get experiences that t=
hey wouldn't get at home and we also have online mentors for children that =
are disadvantaged.

BL: It is important to understand the role in thinking strategically about=
creative policies. We have to think about next generation tools and what i=
s possible.

CW: It is exciting to have everyone here - this is a tremendous network of=
people. This is a great start of an important conversation, but it must be=
taken to the next level. The agenda must be pushed. With a shared vision, =
the other issues will fall in line.

LC: The conversation must include DOE. Content is not the only thing - con=
text is key. The educational context that is created is most important. We =
have to define the strategy and goals.
Short-Term and Long-Term Strategies
Tom Gilbert (Knowledge Delivery Systems): Training for teachers is importa=
nt, as is Internet access for schools. A short-term solution is to bridge t=
he gap by having teachers become Internet savvy by training them online at =
a low cost.=20

PM: Teachers who are not technology savvy or are technology phobic will ne=
ed handholding for online training.

TG: You would probably need to have one IT person per school that helps sh=
epherd the process.

Dave Katz (Typhoon Networks): If the content cannot reach certain parts of=
community that should be the immediate goal.=20

CW: Broadband access is a crucial issue. New York is only halfway to the n=
ational average.

Marshall Brown: There are two different initiatives: the tech initiative, =
and this issue here. Over the next few years, NY should become its own tele=
com. Why not have community-based telecom services, with the school as the =
provider?

MD: We are fortunate for having broadband access, but there are points whe=
re things slow down and the value is impacted. The quality of service is cr=
itical.

AS: There is a core infrastructure discussion that needs to take place. Bu=
ilding infrastructure is critical. The reality and opportunity is to use th=
is to transform the way schools operate holistically. Student information s=
ystems, grading, etc must also be incorporated. We need to think broader ab=
out school operation, as well as classroom design.

GC: When things aren't working, you notice. The vision has to be there, an=
d then companies will invest.

LC: The most seamless and transparent form of communication is the telepho=
ne, yet they are not present in classrooms. Making technology transparent a=
nd easy to use is essential, but it must be accompanied by a parallel effor=
t to demonstrate why it is important and effective.

LE: The long-term strategy and goal is to ensure that every child has acce=
ss to some level of technology. "No Child Left Behind" cannot be ignored - =
it has placed a stronghold on educators in city, and called for a reformula=
tion of our system. The short-term goal should be to find a way to communic=
ate best practices. There are great things happening that are left in the f=
our walls of the school. It is difficult for small non-profits to create th=
e proposal to get in the door of every school.

CW: Without one person per school to manage technology it is very difficul=
t.

GG: We should look at very strict criteria to see what has worked. Althoug=
h I know people will have a problem with this, we can't be too comfortable =
with intangible achievements.

SP: We should create case studies specific to the NY environment. This sho=
uld be done to look at different initiatives.

CW: We can all benefit from knowing what is out there. We should work with=
DOE to look at technology, how it is being used, and look at other states.

MD: Its not just about looking at technology, but also about instructional=
practices, training, and leadership.

Jennifer Sly (Jacob Riis Settlement House): It is important to link after-=
school with what is done in schools. Partnerships should be strengthened. W=
e should incorporate after-school life with schoolwork - after-school progr=
ams have fewer constraints, less barriers.=20

LC: As we look at best practices, we should expand to look at what is beyo=
nd New York. We should look at what is happening in after-schools, and CTC'=
s. We must do more than spotlight - we should analyze how it came to be, ho=
w was professional development conducted? We shouldn't use a singular axis =
of measurement - test scores. We may also need to rethink the way we assess.

GC: There is a lot of competition between school systems and after-school =
programs - they compete for the same funding, and there is often little or =
no collaboration. The most successful programs will involve collaboration b=
etween schools and after-school programs.

JR: We should look at hardware implementation, best practices, content, pr=
ofessional development, the role of parents/caregivers. We should not bite =
off more than we can chew. We can start by using technology that people are=
comfortable with - TV.

BL: We also must add other participants to the discussion - there are inst=
itutional issues in teachers education programs that need to be addressed. =
We need to think about the standards in creating new teachers. There is a l=
ot of talent that is not finding its way into school system.

ML: People on the frontlines need to figure out how to be a vehicle for lo=
w-income people to connect.

LA: It's not just about technology, but also about evaluating the learning=
process. This is difficult because "NCLB" does not care about children's a=
bility and learning, only about numbers and scores. How do you show that wh=
at you are doing helps kids be better learners? It is all about what you me=
asure.
Specific Recommendations
ES: DOE must play a role. As they solidify their vision, it will become cl=
earer to us. Documenting best practices is essential - we have to look at c=
osts/benefits.

PH: We can look at opportunities for expanding use and expand programs tha=
t are already in place.

BL: It is important to not only document best practices, but also best pra=
ctitioners. We need to get a sense of what drives them, and how we can expa=
nd on that. Some are working in schools, some elsewhere. We should promote =
teachers, and professionalize the work of teachers.

SP: Schools are messy. We should produce case studies, document best pract=
ices, and allow people to see what went on and how they could reproduce tha=
t.

LE: The key issue is a model for educators and lots of support!!!

AS: We should craft a strategic architecture, with a long-term window of f=
ocus. We should look at classroom design, and classroom dynamics. We should=
create a road map, a common movement.

ML: Schools systems connect people to printed materials. We also need a co=
nnection to online resources - a virtual library will have the most impact.

PM: We should create e-mail list servers, so teachers can communicate prob=
lems and share ideas.

JR: We need to think about how every teacher and student can have access t=
o working technology. Access to hardware will lead into development of cont=
ent, and a professional development plan.

LC: NYC schools system should have the ratio of IT school support staff th=
at the business sector has. We have tremendous leverage as one of the large=
st school systems - tech support should be at the forefront. We need to mak=
e a best practices connection.

LA: We should identify schools that are doing good work, and have an open-=
door policy in those schools. We should be able to see those programs in ac=
tion - not a canned presentation. We also need to give teachers access to p=
rofessional development.

CW: Strategic planning is needed most - it's been 7 years since DOE did th=
eir last plan. A good first step is to review national policies.

GC: It really is a political issue - -not just about technology. We must g=
et the right people to the table to solve the issue. In the meantime, we sh=
ould all work in our own world, and be able to point to successes.

MD: We should focus more directly - the size and scope of the issue is imm=
ense. We need to undertake initiatives slowly and in a focused way. We can =
destroy an initiative by trying to do too much too quickly. We need to look=
at where our first step should be so that it has the greatest impact. Is i=
t in the area of curriculum, staff development, hardware, etc.?


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  5. 2003-11-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Weekly NYLXS Announcments
  6. 2003-11-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome and Board Meeting
  7. 2003-11-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gnome and Board Meeting
  8. 2003-11-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit wiki.
  9. 2003-11-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat tells customers, 'No more freebies!"
  10. 2003-11-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat tells customers, 'No more freebies!"
  11. 2003-11-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: (fwd) [hangout] Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
  12. 2003-11-04 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: (fwd) [hangout] Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
  13. 2003-11-04 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: (fwd) [hangout] Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
  14. 2003-11-04 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: (fwd) [hangout] Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
  15. 2003-11-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: (fwd) [hangout] Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
  16. 2003-11-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
  17. 2003-11-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nat-at-ximian.com: Room you were renting.]
  18. 2003-11-04 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
  19. 2003-11-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers
  20. 2003-11-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meetings Today
  21. 2003-11-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] PERL expert for authorize.net e-commerce site (part onsite), United States, ny, new york [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  22. 2003-11-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Gome
  23. 2003-11-06 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] paging Sergio
  24. 2003-11-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] paging Sergio
  25. 2003-11-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit Preparations
  26. 2003-11-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOEM SUMMIT Mailing List and Archive Up
  27. 2003-11-08 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [hangout] Tech Nite this weekend? Tonight? Sunday (tomorrow?)
  28. 2003-11-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Tech Nite this weekend? Tonight? Sunday (tomorrow?)
  29. 2003-11-09 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Tech Nite this weekend? Tonight? Sunday
  30. 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Tech Nite this weekend? Tonight? Sunday (tomorrow?)
  31. 2003-11-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME SUMIT MEETING TONITE PLEASE at 7:30PM
  32. 2003-11-09 From: "P. Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] technlogy in education roundtable
  33. 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Volunteers needed for Summit Set Up
  34. 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Volunteers needed for Summit Set Up
  35. 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Pasha
  36. 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging Pasha
  37. 2003-11-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging Pasha
  38. 2003-11-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Senior web mod_perl / DBI Programmer (onsite), United States, NY, NYC]
  39. 2003-11-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: hylafax (SuSE-SA:2003:045)]
  40. 2003-11-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME on Saturday 11/22
  41. 2003-11-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS GNOME STUFF
  42. 2003-11-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [announce-at-ssc.com: LJ's 2004 editorial calendar]
  43. 2003-11-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [tech-geeks] mail/collaboration package
  44. 2003-11-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: #386: Pipes in Jer. Post on "Bush the Radical" [dplist-at-danielpipes.org]
  45. 2003-11-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: FW: GNOME on Saturday 11/22
  46. 2003-11-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: FW: GNOME on Saturday 11/22
  47. 2003-11-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Gnome Conference
  48. 2003-11-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit Wireless
  49. 2003-11-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Finding your quotes
  50. 2003-11-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Finding your quotes
  51. 2003-11-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME SUMMIT Calander update is not up
  52. 2003-11-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] GNOME SUMMIT Calander update is now up
  53. 2003-11-13 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux
  54. 2003-11-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The NYLXS Challenge
  55. 2003-11-13 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux
  56. 2003-11-13 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux
  57. 2003-11-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Forwarded mail....
  58. 2003-11-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Forwarded mail....
  59. 2003-11-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] tbaum-at-sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu: Fwd: FW: 11/22/ GNOME conference
  60. 2003-11-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Forwarded mail....
  61. 2003-11-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Forwarded mail....
  62. 2003-11-14 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Paging Rob
  63. 2003-11-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Paging Rob
  64. 2003-11-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging Rob
  65. 2003-11-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ecom106-at-USPTO.GOV: TRADEMARK APPLICATION NO. 78178384 - NYLXS - N/A]
  66. 2003-11-15 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [ecom106-at-USPTO.GOV: TRADEMARK APPLICATION NO. 78178384
  67. 2003-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [ecom106-at-USPTO.GOV: TRADEMARK APPLICATION NO. 78178384 - NYLXS - N/A]
  68. 2003-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Steve Milo
  69. 2003-11-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME SUMMIT PLANNING Meeting
  70. 2003-11-16 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME SUMMIT PLANNING Meeting (Time and Location
  71. 2003-11-16 From: "Ray C." <ray-pub-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Morality and MS
  72. 2003-11-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Morality and MS
  73. 2003-11-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Gnome
  74. 2003-11-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] A much more complete analysis of the msn search engine...
  75. 2003-11-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] A much more complete analysis of the msn search eng
  76. 2003-11-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] A much more complete analysis of the msn search eng ine...
  77. 2003-11-17 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Joe Grastara and Rob Morino
  78. 2003-11-17 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] A much more complete analysis of the msn search eng ine...
  79. 2003-11-17 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Att: Ceasar and Rob.
  80. 2003-11-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Summit Plans -Chairs and Trophies
  81. 2003-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup
  82. 2003-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Preparations for the GNOME Summit
  83. 2003-11-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CHAIRS CHAIRS CHAIRS
  84. 2003-11-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNOME Conference New York Summit
  85. 2003-11-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC
  86. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG Meeting Tomorrow
  87. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Summit wiki. [nat-at-ximian.com]
  88. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Summit wiki. [nat-at-ximian.com]
  89. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Summit wiki. [nat-at-ximian.com]
  90. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Summit wiki. [nat-at-ximian.com]
  91. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  92. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  93. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  94. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  95. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  96. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  97. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  98. 2003-11-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project
  99. 2003-11-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night
  100. 2003-11-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night
  101. 2003-11-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project
  102. 2003-11-29 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night
  103. 2003-11-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Library
  104. 2003-11-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night
  105. 2003-11-29 From: "M. Halegua" <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Subject: [hangout] Next DeLUGE meeting
  106. 2003-11-29 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Tech Night
  107. 2003-11-29 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Tech Night
  108. 2003-11-29 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] tossing old computer shells
  109. 2003-11-29 From: "michael howard" <mhoward-at-mailworks.org> Subject: [hangout] tossing old computer shells
  110. 2003-11-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project
  111. 2003-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project
  112. 2003-11-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Post PR of the Summit
  113. 2003-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project
  114. 2003-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ogle
  115. 2003-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ogle
  116. 2003-11-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ogle
  117. 2003-11-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] linux terminal server project www.ltsp.org
  118. 2003-11-27 From: "michael howard" <mhoward-at-mailworks.org> Subject: [hangout] linux terminal server project www.ltsp.org
  119. 2003-11-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Conference Website
  120. 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Kings Games After Stuff
  121. 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kings Games After Stuff
  122. 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sorry for being out of touch
  123. 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting
  124. 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [opus-at-gnu.org: Re: confusion about books]
  125. 2003-11-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] 'Master' and 'slave' computer labels unacceptable, officials say
  126. 2003-11-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Board meeting
  127. 2003-11-26 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Sorry for being out of touch
  128. 2003-11-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sorry for being out of touch
  129. 2003-11-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Conference Congradulations and Acknoledgements
  130. 2003-11-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Conference Congradulations and Acknoledgements
  131. 2003-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Database Programmer (onsite), United States, PA, Radnor]
  132. 2003-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Mailing List Code Tweaker (telecommute), United States, NY, New York]
  133. 2003-11-24 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I meant New Mexico.
  134. 2003-11-24 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Greetings from Chicago.
  135. 2003-11-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Dinner.
  136. 2003-11-22 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] U.S. Courts hires vendor to migrate to Linux/Intel platform
  137. 2003-11-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tripod
  138. 2003-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  139. 2003-11-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Awards
  140. 2003-11-21 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Awards
  141. 2003-11-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Contact Infor for MRBRKLYN
  142. 2003-11-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SWAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
  143. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Dinner Speech
  144. 2003-11-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Dinner Speech
  145. 2003-11-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Taking a step back.
  146. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Attendees count
  147. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Where People are coming from
  148. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Literature
  149. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  150. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dinner Speech
  151. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Awards
  152. 2003-11-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tripod
  153. 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tripod
  154. 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Awards
  155. 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Outstanding Issues
  156. 2003-11-20 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Need a copy of osx
  157. 2003-11-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Buttons?
  158. 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] This is my location today if you need me
  159. 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Outstanding Issues
  160. 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Buttons?
  161. 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] Pre-Summit activities
  162. 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Questions for you on the upcoming Gnome Summit
  163. 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO To Expand Its Lawsuit Beyond Linux
  164. 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [carlos-at-gnome.org: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] looking for a place to sleep]
  165. 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Need a copy of osx
  166. 2003-11-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Rob Marino.
  167. 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Annual Fundraising Dinner Invitation
  168. 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Annual Fundraising Dinner Invitation
  169. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit t-shirts
  170. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  171. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  172. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Fwd: hotspot setup]
  173. 2003-11-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  174. 2003-11-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  175. 2003-11-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  176. 2003-11-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  177. 2003-11-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The NYLXS Challenge
  178. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  179. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup
  180. 2003-11-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit Annoucnement
  181. 2003-11-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup
  182. 2003-11-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME Summit Annoucnement
  183. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup
  184. 2003-11-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup
  185. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kings Games Is Installing GNU/Linux Server for the Plant here
  186. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome Summit Help
  187. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit Annoucnement
  188. 2003-11-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  189. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  190. 2003-11-18 punisher-at-acedsl.com Re: [hangout] Kings Games chairs.
  191. 2003-11-18 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kings Games chairs.
  192. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  193. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  194. 2003-11-25 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Conference Congradulations and Acknoledgements
  195. 2003-11-13 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] The NYLXS Challenge
  196. 2003-11-13 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux
  197. 2003-11-13 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux
  198. 2003-11-03 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Gnome and Board Meeting
  199. 2003-11-03 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Gome
  200. 2003-11-06 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Diebold Voting Case Tests DMCA
  201. 2003-11-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Diebold Voting Case Tests DMCA

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