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DATE 2003-11-16
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http://money.cnn.com/2003/11/14/commentary/ontechnology/microsoft_morality/index.htm

Morality and Microsoft Software
Is it wrong to buy the $149 Student and Teacher Edition of Office, thus saving
$250?
November 14, 2003: 3:42 PM EST
By Peter Lewis, Fortune Magazine


NEW YORK (Fortune) - In my review of Microsoft's new Office 2003 software, I
noted that "Standard Edition" Office and "Student and Teacher Edition" Office
were essentially identical, but that the Standard version cost $399 and the
Student-Teacher version cost $149.


To qualify for the $149 edition, according to Microsoft, someone in the
purchaser's household must be a student or a teacher. But -- and here's where
today's conundrum arises -- I also pointed out (wink wink, nudge nudge, say
no more ) that neither Microsoft nor any retailer I visited had any intention
of checking customer identification to verify the buyer's student or teacher
status.


Reader Mike Massa of Coral Springs, Florida, was upset.


"You have embarrassed FORTUNE and should issue an apology to Microsoft to say
the least!" Mr. Massa wrote via e-mail. "Are you advocating that if you are
not a student or a teacher, not to worry about buying a copy since no one
checks if you are or not? If FORTUNE sold your article to another magazine,
and they knew you wouldn't check, would you be so easy to mouth off? Do you
steal stuff from a store if you know they won't check to see if you are as
you leave the store?"


I asked Mr. Massa to elaborate. He wrote back: "Just because Microsoft has
been declared a monopoly does NOT allow their rights to be ignored ..." He
said he doubted that I would advocate falsely pretending to be a student or
teacher in other situations in order to obtain discounts. "Yes, Peter, this
is a high moral ground, but ... it's what you do when the cameras are not
viewing you that makes you a moral person or not."


So now I find myself in the paradoxical situation of asking Microsoft for
moral guidance.


Is it morally wrong, I asked Microsoft, to buy the $149 Student and Teacher
Edition of Office-thus saving $250 on the cost of the Standard Edition but
forfeiting the right to purchase upgrades in the future?


Dan Leach is Lead Product Manager, Microsoft Office System. Here's what he
wrote via e-mail:


"Microsoft's goal with the Student and Teacher Edition of Office is to make
our best productivity software tools available to students and teachers, and
make it as easy as possible for them to acquire those licenses. Mr. Lewis's
review accurately points out twice that the purchaser must qualify for this
non-commercial license. By accepting the licensing agreement, customers are
confirming they are eligible and agree to follow the terms of the license.
Mr. Lewis's review is also correct in stating that neither Microsoft nor its
retail partners check student or teacher ID cards at the retail point of
purchase. That is because we trust our customers, and they are confirming
they qualify when they go through the license acceptance procedure on
installation."


Here's a link where you can see the qualifications needed to avoid moral
turpitude.


Ignoring Mr. Massa's admonition that I have embarrassed FORTUNE by revealing
my moral deficiencies -- hell, I'm a journalist, for crying out loud -- the
question is whether I owe Microsoft an apology for suggesting that people who
are not officially students or teachers can save $250 by buying the Student
and Teacher Edition of Office, which is identical to the Standard Edition of
Office except for two main things: It cannot be upgraded, and it can be
installed on as many as three PCs in the home.


Here's what I think is really going on: Microsoft officials do not want the
Student and Teacher Edition of Office to be used in commercial situations
(i.e., in small businesses or home offices that can afford the $399 Standard
Edition price). But the last thing it needs is a public relations black eye
for busting widows, orphans, nuns, community volunteers, and other honorable
but humble customers who want to use the industry standard Office software
but who cannot afford the full cost of Standard Office.


A growing number of such potential customers are sniffing around at cheaper
alternatives like Corel's WordPerfect Productivity Pack, and indeed a number
of PC companies like Dell and Gateway are sending budget-class computers out
the door with the WordPerfect suite installed instead of the Office suite. By
offering a less expensive version of Office to families with young children,
Microsoft is cultivating customers who are likely to continue using Microsoft
Office software as they grow older.


Microsoft, being an honorable company, would never dream of gradually locking
in these users through the use of proprietary file formats, meaning that
documents created using Microsoft Office would not be readable (at least in
their formatted form) except by people who also own Microsoft Office. (The
last time I checked, Office had a 94 percent share of the office suite
market, and Microsoft wants to keep it that way.)


But I digress. The issue at hand is whether I owe Microsoft an apology for
noting how easy it is to purchase Microsoft Student and Teacher Edition under
false pretenses, assuming one is not a student or teacher.


If I'm not mistaken, Mr. Leach's letter suggests that my column may have been
dishonorable but fell somewhat short of being morally repugnant.


Still, in this era of moral absolutism, reprehensible acts demand some sort of
punishment or retribution. Accordingly, I hereby apologize to Microsoft for
pointing out to readers that they can buy a fully functional copy of the
Student and Teacher Edition of Microsoft Office 2003 for a mere $150, plus a
small slice of their souls for violating Microsoft's trust.


As penance, I vow to use a Windows-based PC for at least an hour this week.
--
At times the discrepency between institutions and technology becomes an
incompatibility, and then one or the other must give way.
-Allen Wheelis

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  89. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Summit wiki. [nat-at-ximian.com]
  90. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Summit wiki. [nat-at-ximian.com]
  91. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  92. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  93. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  94. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  95. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  96. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  97. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  98. 2003-11-30 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project
  99. 2003-11-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night
  100. 2003-11-30 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night
  101. 2003-11-29 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project
  102. 2003-11-29 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Tech Night
  103. 2003-11-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Library
  104. 2003-11-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Night
  105. 2003-11-29 From: "M. Halegua" <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Subject: [hangout] Next DeLUGE meeting
  106. 2003-11-29 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Tech Night
  107. 2003-11-29 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Tech Night
  108. 2003-11-29 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] tossing old computer shells
  109. 2003-11-29 From: "michael howard" <mhoward-at-mailworks.org> Subject: [hangout] tossing old computer shells
  110. 2003-11-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project
  111. 2003-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project
  112. 2003-11-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Post PR of the Summit
  113. 2003-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Gnome/NYLXS Project
  114. 2003-11-28 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ogle
  115. 2003-11-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] ogle
  116. 2003-11-27 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ogle
  117. 2003-11-27 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] linux terminal server project www.ltsp.org
  118. 2003-11-27 From: "michael howard" <mhoward-at-mailworks.org> Subject: [hangout] linux terminal server project www.ltsp.org
  119. 2003-11-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Conference Website
  120. 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Kings Games After Stuff
  121. 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kings Games After Stuff
  122. 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sorry for being out of touch
  123. 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board meeting
  124. 2003-11-26 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [opus-at-gnu.org: Re: confusion about books]
  125. 2003-11-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] 'Master' and 'slave' computer labels unacceptable, officials say
  126. 2003-11-26 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Board meeting
  127. 2003-11-26 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Sorry for being out of touch
  128. 2003-11-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sorry for being out of touch
  129. 2003-11-25 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Conference Congradulations and Acknoledgements
  130. 2003-11-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Conference Congradulations and Acknoledgements
  131. 2003-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Database Programmer (onsite), United States, PA, Radnor]
  132. 2003-11-24 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Mailing List Code Tweaker (telecommute), United States, NY, New York]
  133. 2003-11-24 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I meant New Mexico.
  134. 2003-11-24 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Greetings from Chicago.
  135. 2003-11-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Dinner.
  136. 2003-11-22 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] U.S. Courts hires vendor to migrate to Linux/Intel platform
  137. 2003-11-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tripod
  138. 2003-11-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today
  139. 2003-11-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Awards
  140. 2003-11-21 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Awards
  141. 2003-11-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Contact Infor for MRBRKLYN
  142. 2003-11-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] SWAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
  143. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Dinner Speech
  144. 2003-11-21 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Dinner Speech
  145. 2003-11-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Taking a step back.
  146. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Attendees count
  147. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Where People are coming from
  148. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Literature
  149. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  150. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dinner Speech
  151. 2003-11-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Awards
  152. 2003-11-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tripod
  153. 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tripod
  154. 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Awards
  155. 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Outstanding Issues
  156. 2003-11-20 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Need a copy of osx
  157. 2003-11-20 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Buttons?
  158. 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] This is my location today if you need me
  159. 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Outstanding Issues
  160. 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Buttons?
  161. 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] Pre-Summit activities
  162. 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Questions for you on the upcoming Gnome Summit
  163. 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SCO To Expand Its Lawsuit Beyond Linux
  164. 2003-11-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [carlos-at-gnome.org: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] looking for a place to sleep]
  165. 2003-11-20 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Need a copy of osx
  166. 2003-11-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Subject: [hangout] Rob Marino.
  167. 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Annual Fundraising Dinner Invitation
  168. 2003-11-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Annual Fundraising Dinner Invitation
  169. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit t-shirts
  170. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  171. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  172. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [Fwd: hotspot setup]
  173. 2003-11-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  174. 2003-11-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  175. 2003-11-19 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  176. 2003-11-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Need volunteers for Friday night.
  177. 2003-11-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The NYLXS Challenge
  178. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  179. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup
  180. 2003-11-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit Annoucnement
  181. 2003-11-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup
  182. 2003-11-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] GNOME Summit Annoucnement
  183. 2003-11-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup
  184. 2003-11-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: [ NYLXS: GNOME SUMMIT - Brooklyn USA NOVEMBER 22-24 ] OpenMC U conference setup
  185. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kings Games Is Installing GNU/Linux Server for the Plant here
  186. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome Summit Help
  187. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] GNOME Summit Annoucnement
  188. 2003-11-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  189. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  190. 2003-11-18 punisher-at-acedsl.com Re: [hangout] Kings Games chairs.
  191. 2003-11-18 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Kings Games chairs.
  192. 2003-11-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  193. 2003-11-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Summit wiki.
  194. 2003-11-25 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] Conference Congradulations and Acknoledgements
  195. 2003-11-13 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] The NYLXS Challenge
  196. 2003-11-13 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux
  197. 2003-11-13 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] MSN, Google & Linux
  198. 2003-11-03 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Gnome and Board Meeting
  199. 2003-11-03 From: "akbar pasha" <akbar-at-pionerd.org> Re: [hangout] Gome
  200. 2003-11-06 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Diebold Voting Case Tests DMCA
  201. 2003-11-06 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Diebold Voting Case Tests DMCA

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