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DATE 2006-06-02
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] PDF Poison

Microsoft to Drop PDF Support in Office
By Nate Mook, BetaNews
June 2, 2006, 5:40 PM

Amid threats of a lawsuit from Adobe, Microsoft acknowledged Friday that it would remove support for saving files in PDF from Office 2007, as well as dropping its own rival format XPS from the productivity suite and Windows Vista.

The changes follow a breakdown of talks between the two technology giants after Microsoft announced last year it would include native PDF publishing with the release of Office 2007. The feature has long been a top request from customers, the company said at the time, and other office suites have the capability.

But Adobe was unhappy with the move and a dispute has been brewing for four months, Microsoft's lead counsel Brad Smith said Friday. Although PDF claims to be an open format and is integrated into OpenOffice and Apple's Mac OS X operating system, Adobe apparently sees Office 2007 as a real threat to its business.

Adobe wants Microsoft to charge for the feature, which the Redmond company has refused to do. Smith said Adobe threatened to file an antitrust suit in Europe, and his company was preparing for that eventuality. Now, however, Microsoft says it will make the feature available through a downloadable add-on.

"PDF is usually viewed as an open standard and there are other office suites out there that already support PDF output. I don't see us providing functionality that's any different from what others are doing," remarked Microsoft's Office Open XML format lead Brian Jones in a blog posting.

"This really is one of those cases where you just have to shake your head. Adobe got a lot of goodwill with customers, particularly in government circles, for making PDF available as an open standard. It’s amazing that they would go back on the openness pledge."

In addition, Microsoft will drop support for its own fixed-layout format known as XPS from Office and offer an XPS-free version of Windows Vista to OEMs that request it. Windows Vista includes XPS -- formerly code-named "Metro" -- as part of the Windows Presentation Foundation. The company will host a session on using Vista as a document platform at TechEd 2006 in Boston on June 12.

However, it is unlikely many computer makers will opt for the XPS-free option. European computer makers have balked at Windows XP N, a special version of Microsoft's flagship operating system that strips out Windows Media Player. When running a standard Vista install, Office 2007 will have the "Save as XPS" feature.

Some analysts have remained skeptical that Microsoft's side is the full story. Adobe has yet to comment on the matter, and may not publicly if it indeed intends to file a lawsuit.

"I had no idea that Adobe carried such swath it could force Microsoft to raise Office prices," chided Jupiter Research senior analyst Joe Wilcox. He noted that Microsoft is clearly using the media to push its position that if it cannot use PDF freely, then Adobe's format must not be open.

"Whatever occurred in private between the two companies, Microsoft is aggressively taking a very public PR position. I see Microsoft as trying to make this a debate about formats and the openness of PDF. Microsoft claims new Office formats are open, but some governments--Massachusetts, for example--disagree."

Already, industry groups have come out in support of Microsoft, and customers have expressed their dismay at Adobe's actions.

“If recent reports are accurate, Adobe is turning PDF from an open standard into a double standard. It seems their new position is that the PDF standard is now open for some to implement, but not all,” commented Jonathan Zuck, President of the Association for Competitive Technology (ACT).

"The Commonwealth did pick PDF as an open standard. Microsoft could gain favorable position with Massachusetts or other governments by launching a FUD campaign that portrays Adobe as exacting a double standard with respect to PDF openness," added Jupiter's Wilcox.

Microsoft's Jones said he hopes Adobe realizes it has made a mistake and, "that they probably shouldn't try to sue people for using an open file format." Microsoft has pledged not to go after anyone that implements its Office Open XML formats, which are currently being certified as a standard by Ecma.

"If you're like me and think this is just a bad thing all around, you should let them know," Jones wrote. With no lawsuit filed just yet, Adobe could still give into the public pressure and forge an agreement with Microsoft.

"The worst thing Adobe could do is not respond," said Wilcox. "The company needs to tell its side of the story, before Microsoft's version is seared in the public consciousness."
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By iamtux

posted Jun 2, 2006 - 6:47 PM

How is it possible that Linux, Mac OS X and OO.O has PDF creation abilities, but they go ballistic when MS wants to put it into Office?! It just doesn't make any sense. If something is open source, let it stay open to everyone. Morons.
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By gawd21

posted Jun 2, 2006 - 6:28 PM

Good! PDFs are over sized and just suck!
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By rijp

posted Jun 2, 2006 - 6:40 PM

That's like saying ZIP files are bloated and contain too much data.

That doesn't make any sense. It depends on who is create the PDF files. If you include pictures, RTF, lots of formatting, and its extremely large, then yeah, they are over sized..

PDF serve a very useful purpose, read me's are easier, since you can't modify the original contents.. easily.

PDF's are a good way to transport simple info, but ANYONE can fill up a bucket with unneed stuff and make it too heavy to carry, that's NOT the bucket's fault.
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By ggvrsn

posted Jun 2, 2006 - 6:18 PM

hmm, isnt it weird that M$ is backing off, after avoiding to backoff after 4 months of negotiations and now when they try to go to court, they backoff anyway? hmm, I suspect, M$ was about to do something behind Adobes back, which is more than what meets the eye, that could probably be why they are backing off. I never liked MS Office, but truth be told, I like to UI for Office 2007, but I am not getting rid of OpenOffice any time soon ( been a user since version 3.x, wont move off of it).
-GGR
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By rijp

posted Jun 2, 2006 - 6:43 PM

*hmm, isnt it weird that M$ is backing off, after avoiding to backoff after 4 months of negotiations and now when they try to go to court,*

Uh..yeah, duh, that's called "negotiating". They couldn't come to terms, Adobe threatened to sue, Microsoft tried to continue on, and hopefully restart the talks, Adobe wanted to make it clear they were serious, so they sued, now Microsoft is dropping the PDF support, Adobe get's their way, end of suit.

Except now Adobe won't get a penny for their content. They could have licensed the PDF for like 10 bucks a OS copy, but they were greedy and wanted like 50, so, now they get zip.

Who loses in the end? Adobe... the fools.
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By jbaltz69

posted Jun 2, 2006 - 5:52 PM

That sucks, Adobe is a resource hog and having it integrated into Vista would have been nice. Hopefully they will come to some technology licensing agreement and it will becomer reality.
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By The Man

posted Jun 2, 2006 - 5:49 PM

WOW

that was nice of MS....
they must be up to something
:-o
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By rijp

posted Jun 2, 2006 - 6:16 PM

Yeah, like tired of getting sued.. Its not up to something, they want to suit to go away.
Score: 0
By drumcat

posted Jun 2, 2006 - 5:43 PM

Pow!!

That's the sound of Adobe shooting itself in the perverbial foot.
Score: 0

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  75. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: rpm hell
  76. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal Commitments
  77. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: rpm hell
  78. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad News
  79. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Voice and the Web
  80. 2006-06-09 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  81. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  82. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  83. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  84. 2006-06-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  85. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  86. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 12 June 2006 GNUbies: Antonio Perpinan of Codigo Libre on doing what you want to do with Free Software
  87. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnumbies Meeting
  88. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Local Mid-Sized Company seeks SAMBA - LDAP Integration Consultant]
  89. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use Article from Noel that we never published
  90. 2006-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  91. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Potential space for Python Work Study Group
  92. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with time AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  93. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web Server
  94. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Telephony
  95. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  96. 2006-06-12 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  97. 2006-06-12 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: UK Report on "Digital Rights Management"
  98. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Telephony
  99. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: UK Report on "Digital Rights Management"
  100. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [CandidateEmail-at-site.careerbuilder.com: CareerBuilder.com: Sr. Unix Developer]
  101. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1 publishing
  102. 2006-06-13 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  103. 2006-06-13 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] textbook
  104. 2006-06-13 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: Book]
  105. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Problems with GRUB
  106. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] textbook
  107. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  108. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: Book]
  109. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  110. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Acadaca Internet Solutions seeks PHP Developer]
  111. 2006-06-13 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] bronx
  112. 2006-06-13 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] assembly workshop
  113. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New NYLXS Website
  114. 2006-06-14 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] please repost Selso's thing tonight
  115. 2006-06-14 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with time AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  116. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Linux Sys Admin]
  117. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Shulman Fleming & Partners seeks
  118. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with
  119. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: reference
  120. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: reference
  121. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Video Editing
  122. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal Status
  123. 2006-06-15 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Techweb intro to Linux
  124. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  125. 2006-06-15 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  126. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  127. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  128. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [enviro-at-pilosoft.com: latest on drm/tv?]
  129. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  130. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wikipedia in the News
  131. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Slackware ISO's
  132. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] OP-ED - GNU/Windows
  133. 2006-06-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Opsware seeks Senior Consulting Engineer]
  134. 2006-06-19 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Opsware seeks Senior Consulting
  135. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Supervising Pharmacist Resignation
  136. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting This Week
  137. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM OP-ED in Boston
  138. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Verizon price riot
  139. 2006-06-19 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Senate Commerce Committee Communications Bill
  140. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Senate Commerce Committee Communications Bill
  141. 2006-06-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TOMORROW! NY Linux Users Group Meeting 6/21: Francis Hwang on Ruby
  142. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TOMORROW! NY Linux Users Group Meeting 6/21: Francis Hwang on Ruby Programming Language
  143. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting This Week
  144. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ron-at-vnetworx.net: [nylug-volunteers] Video/Audio help needed for the meeting tomorrow]
  145. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] Array 12 drives
  146. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Keep the Internet Free
  147. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  148. 2006-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  149. 2006-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Programming Sysadmin position
  150. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  151. 2006-06-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  152. 2006-06-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  153. 2006-06-22 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  154. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  155. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  156. 2006-06-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  157. 2006-06-16 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  158. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  159. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Human Thought
  160. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  161. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The original Web
  162. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [tqs1757-at-nyu.edu: [ISOC-NY Discussion] Fight for a Free Press]
  163. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Network Nuetral
  164. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Legistlative front
  165. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  166. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  167. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Bill Gates committing piracy on the internet
  168. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  169. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  170. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  171. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] San Antonio Company seeks Linux Systems Administrator]
  172. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Going Off Line for a few days
  173. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Only the Good Die young
  174. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] While NYLXS going off the air for a few days is not the end of the world....
  175. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Almost Real
  176. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs
  177. 2006-06-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Hardhats-members] Pharmacy snafu ... enforced dosing schedules]

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