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June 15, 2006 Camera. Action. Edit. Now, Await Reviews. By SCOTT KIRSNER

The music video for the surreal folk song "I Got a Bunny," written and
performed by Juanito Moore, is not something you will see on VH1.

But the video, shot on a rainy sidewalk in front of Mr. Moore's home
in Grand Rapids, Mich., has another distinction: it was assembled,
not in a traditional cutting room or with PC-based editing software,
but entirely on the Web, using an online service called Jumpcut.

The minute-and-a-half video was shot with a digital still camera,
which Mr. Moore occasionally swings around by its tripod as he lists
the bizarre animals in his imaginary menagerie.

While sites like YouTube and Veoh have lately become popular for allowing
users to share their self-produced videos, Jumpcut (www.jumpcut.com) is
part of a new class of sites that also offer simple tools for stringing
together video clips and then adding soundtracks, titles, transitions
and unusual visual effects.

All of the sites, which include Jumpcut, Eyespot, Grouper and VideoEgg,
have been introduced within the last year. This summer, they will be
joined by another site, Motionbox, based in New York.

Their shared objective, the founders of the sites say, is to reduce the
complexity of video editing and to reduce the cost to zero.

"We wanted to make video editing over the Internet faster than desktop
editing," said Jim Kaskade, co-founder and chief executive of Eyespot,
based in San Diego. "We think it will broaden the base of people who are
creative, but may not have thought they were, by creating this tool kit
for them. Editing video is eventually going to be as simple as sending
e-mail."

Mr. Kaskade refers to the process as "mixing," however, saying he
believes that the term "editing" may sound labor-intensive to the
amateur videographer. Previously, putting together a multishot video
like Mr. Moore's would have involved installing and learning to use
a piece of software like iMovie from Apple, Adobe Premiere or Studio
from Pinnacle Systems. Some of that software is packaged free with new
computers or sold for about $100.

The analyst firm Parks Associates estimated last year that only about
four million people regularly use such software for video editing —
far fewer than the number who capture video using camcorders, Webcams,
digital still cameras and cellphones.

But with more videos of soccer games, weddings and cruise vacations
being posted online — and potentially being seen by people who have
not been dragooned into the living room for a showing — editing gains
in importance, Mr. Kaskade says, even if it involves trimming only the
dizzying camera whirls at the beginning of a shot, or the inevitable
question, "Are you taping right now?"

People who have experience with both desktop software and the new
online editing services say the desktop software offers a wider range
of features and enables them to manipulate the video more precisely,
but they appreciate the speed and simplicity of online editing.

GK Parish-Philp, a product manager at a San Diego software company, said
that while he used Pinnacle Studio to assemble a video of his daughter's
birth a year and a half ago, he had not used it in a long time. The
birth video "came out really well, but it took forever," he said.

Instead, Mr. Parish-Philp now uses video clips taken with his digital
still camera and edited on the Eyespot site (www.eyespot.com) to provide
weekly video updates to his mother in Texas. One chronicled his family's
recent trip to the San Diego Wild Animal Park, complete with deft cuts
between close-ups and long shots, plenty of pointing at animals, and a
soundtrack by the 1980's pop group Toto. (Their hit "Africa," of course.)

Many of the early users of online video editing are new parents like
Mr. Parish-Philp, or pet owners, said Kevin Sladek, co-founder of VideoEgg
(www.videoegg.com). "We see a tremendous diversity of things," Mr. Sladek
said, "but the largest bucket of footage is baby videos."

Other users have been editing videos to support online auctions, as when
Todd Hernandez tried to sell a Nissan 350Z coupe on eBay this year,
or to stay in touch with friends back home, as when Lisa Boghosian,
who moved to San Francisco recently, made a St. Patrick's Day video
collage for her Irish friends in Massachusetts.

The number of online editors is still small, however.

"Eighty percent of our users want to watch videos, and about 20 percent
want to share videos," said Jonathan Shambroom, a vice president of
Grouper. "But only a small fraction of that 20 percent will edit their
videos first — maybe a quarter."

All of the sites, except Grouper, require that video clips be uploaded to
their servers before they can be manipulated. That can take a long time,
and there are limits to the size of the files that can be sent. (For
Jumpcut, the limit is 50 megabytes per clip.)

Users of Grouper (www.grouper.com) must first download a free
piece of Windows-only software that works in tandem with the
Web site. It permits users to trim and rearrange clips on their
computer and upload only the finished product, in compressed form.

The sites make possible new kinds of collaborative editing. A
group of parents attending a school play can upload all their
video, and then edit a single version of the play that makes use
of the best shots. Or a vacationer who returns with a shaky shot
of the Grand Canyon can incorporate another person's river shot
into the video — the home-movie equivalent of stock footage.

"Before, moviemaking was 'one computer, one author,' " said
Jumpcut's chief executive, Mike Folgner. "What we've done, on
a team level or a group level, is allow people to share these
assets. You can make a movie out of anybody's stuff."

Steven Cohen, a Hollywood editor who was in the early 1990's
one of the first in his profession to rely on a digital editing
system for making a feature film, has tinkered with Jumpcut and
Eyespot. While the current services are not as responsive or
flexible as the high-end software he is accustomed to using,
"online editing seems inevitable," he wrote in an e-mail
message. "What makes it appealing is that it gets rid of the
problem of storage, and for that reason it seems very freeing. Let
somebody else worry about where all this stuff is and how to
back it up!"

Many of the earliest users of the online editing services
report two changes in the way they capture and assemble
video. First, they tend not to use their camcorders as much,
because the tendency with a camcorder is to record long,
meandering stretches of birthday parties and parades, which
are time-consuming to import to a computer and edit. Instead,
they record more impressionistic scenes of a few seconds or a
few minutes, using a digital still camera or a cellphone.

Second, even if they have experience using more powerful, PC-based
editing software, they find themselves using the online services
more often when they are working with the shorter snippets
— and trying to assemble them quickly for a grandparent in a
distant city.

Jan McLaughlin of North Passaic, N.J., makes three or four
short movies a week, often using her Nokia cellphone. She
spends only about 5 or 10 minutes, on average, refining her
video with Eyespot.

"It's the difference between making a gourmet meal that takes
days, or throwing something in the microwave," Ms. McLaughlin
said. "Ultimately, sometimes you just need to separate the good
footage from the bad and stick it together."

-- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world -
RI Safir 1998

DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://fairuse.nylxs.com

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers
to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in
our own society."

http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy
Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and
articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html -
See the New Downtown Brooklyn....

  1. 2006-06-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] I am starting a new outreach for free software effort.
  2. 2006-06-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sweeedish Meatballs
  3. 2006-06-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Queens DA needs Linux Engineer IMMEDIATELY]
  4. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  5. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Distro ISO
  6. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM in every Laptop
  7. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRm is Theft and the FSF
  8. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft II
  9. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM Laptops
  10. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  11. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] PDF Poison
  12. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-talk] I am starting a new outreach for free software effort.]
  13. 2006-06-03 myc <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  14. 2006-06-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  15. 2006-06-03 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  16. 2006-06-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  17. 2006-06-03 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Join me in standing up for New York's national monuments!
  18. 2006-06-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS General Membership Meeting
  19. 2006-06-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: E-Update for the Committee on Technology in Government of New York City Council (June 4, 2006).]
  20. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRm is Theft and the FSF
  21. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] CRAP
  22. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: BBC
  23. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: Blue Ray
  24. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: IPODS
  25. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: Disabling Information
  26. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mail Archives
  27. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Programming Jobs
  28. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-volunteers] Re: [nylug-talk] teaching volunteer opportunities
  29. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] teaching volunteer opportunities
  30. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] WTC Rebuilding
  31. 2006-06-05 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Palm 700P - You're Invited!]
  32. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [joshua.mcadams-at-gmail.com: YAPC::NA]
  33. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-volunteers] Re: [nylug-talk] teaching volunteer opportunities]
  34. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  35. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  36. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  37. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS General Membership Meeting
  38. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  39. 2006-06-06 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  40. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  41. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  42. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  43. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  44. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  45. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  46. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  47. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  48. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  49. 2006-06-06 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  50. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And GTK+
  51. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GLIB announcement
  52. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLUG Social Meeting
  53. 2006-06-06 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  54. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  55. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] teaching volunteer opportunities
  56. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: New York Times Editorial Supports for Universal Wi-Fi to Conquer Digital Divide in NYC.]
  57. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [dha-at-panix.com: Re: Damian Conway in New York]
  58. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [joshua.mcadams-at-gmail.com: YAPC::NA]
  59. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [tpeters-at-mixcom.com: [MLUG] Linux demotivational posters]
  60. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [phantom21-at-mindspring.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  61. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  62. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]]
  63. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [spacey-nylug-at-lenin.net: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  64. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  65. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tonights Meeting - Hurray - Great Night
  66. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Branta Group Seeks contract System Admin/Data Center Operations Engineer]
  67. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [sunny-at-opencurve.org: [nylug-talk] Fwd: New York State Senate Democrats in need of 2 technologists]
  68. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  69. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad News
  70. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal Commitments
  71. 2006-06-08 myc <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Fwd: FW: 2005 Stella Awards
  72. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: rpm hell
  73. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: rpm hell
  74. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [ISOC-NY Discussion] PBS NOW - 'The Tangled Web'
  75. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] "Wingfest" Vegetarian Style this Friday -at- 7:30pm
  76. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] a
  77. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Applw DRM Protest Saturday 6/10/06]
  78. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: No Subject]
  79. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  80. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  81. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  82. 2006-06-09 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  83. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Voice and the Web
  84. 2006-06-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  85. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  86. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use Article from Noel that we never published
  87. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnumbies Meeting
  88. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 12 June 2006 GNUbies: Antonio Perpinan of Codigo Libre on doing what you want to do with Free Software
  89. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Local Mid-Sized Company seeks SAMBA - LDAP Integration Consultant]
  90. 2006-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  91. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: UK Report on "Digital Rights Management"
  92. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  93. 2006-06-12 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  94. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Telephony
  95. 2006-06-12 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: UK Report on "Digital Rights Management"
  96. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Potential space for Python Work Study Group
  97. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Telephony
  98. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web Server
  99. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [CandidateEmail-at-site.careerbuilder.com: CareerBuilder.com: Sr. Unix Developer]
  100. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with time AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  101. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  102. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  103. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] textbook
  104. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: Book]
  105. 2006-06-13 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] assembly workshop
  106. 2006-06-13 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] bronx
  107. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1 publishing
  108. 2006-06-13 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  109. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New NYLXS Website
  110. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Problems with GRUB
  111. 2006-06-13 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] textbook
  112. 2006-06-13 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: Book]
  113. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Acadaca Internet Solutions seeks PHP Developer]
  114. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with
  115. 2006-06-14 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] please repost Selso's thing tonight
  116. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: reference
  117. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: reference
  118. 2006-06-14 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with time AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  119. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Linux Sys Admin]
  120. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Shulman Fleming & Partners seeks
  121. 2006-06-15 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  122. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  123. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal Status
  124. 2006-06-15 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Techweb intro to Linux
  125. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Video Editing
  126. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  127. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  128. 2006-06-16 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  129. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  130. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [enviro-at-pilosoft.com: latest on drm/tv?]
  131. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] OP-ED - GNU/Windows
  132. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Slackware ISO's
  133. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wikipedia in the News
  134. 2006-06-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Opsware seeks Senior Consulting Engineer]
  135. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Senate Commerce Committee Communications Bill
  136. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM OP-ED in Boston
  137. 2006-06-19 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Opsware seeks Senior Consulting
  138. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting This Week
  139. 2006-06-19 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Senate Commerce Committee Communications Bill
  140. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Verizon price riot
  141. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Supervising Pharmacist Resignation
  142. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting This Week
  143. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TOMORROW! NY Linux Users Group Meeting 6/21: Francis Hwang on Ruby Programming Language
  144. 2006-06-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TOMORROW! NY Linux Users Group Meeting 6/21: Francis Hwang on Ruby
  145. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ron-at-vnetworx.net: [nylug-volunteers] Video/Audio help needed for the meeting tomorrow]
  146. 2006-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  147. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Keep the Internet Free
  148. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] Array 12 drives
  149. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  150. 2006-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Programming Sysadmin position
  151. 2006-06-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  152. 2006-06-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  153. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  154. 2006-06-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  155. 2006-06-22 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  156. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  157. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  158. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  159. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  160. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  161. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  162. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  163. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  164. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  165. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Human Thought
  166. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Legistlative front
  167. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Network Nuetral
  168. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Going Off Line for a few days
  169. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Only the Good Die young
  170. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Bill Gates committing piracy on the internet
  171. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The original Web
  172. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] San Antonio Company seeks Linux Systems Administrator]
  173. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [tqs1757-at-nyu.edu: [ISOC-NY Discussion] Fight for a Free Press]
  174. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Almost Real
  175. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs
  176. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] While NYLXS going off the air for a few days is not the end of the world....
  177. 2006-06-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Hardhats-members] Pharmacy snafu ... enforced dosing schedules]

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