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Yes, Trusted Computing Is Used For DRM
By Andy Dornan
Feb 17, 2006 at 04:19 PM ET



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Ever since the Trusted Computing Group went public about its plan to put a security chip inside every PC, its members have been denying accusations that the group is really a thinly disguised conspiracy to embed DRM everywhere. IBM and Microsoft have instead stressed genuinely useful applications, like signing programs to be certain they don’t contain a rootkit. But at this week’s RSA show, Lenovo showed off a system that does use the chips for DRM after all.

The system is particularly frightening because it looks so simple. There’s no 20-digit software key to type in, no dongle to attach to the printer port, no XP-style activation. (Is this what Bill Gates was thinking of when he said in his keynote that security needs to be easier to use?) The user interface is just a Thinkpad, albeit one of the new models with an integrated fingerprint sensor.

When someone tries to open a DRM-restricted document (in this case, a PDF file: break that DRM and go to jail), Lenovo software asks the user to swipe a finger across the sensor. My finger results in an access denied message; the Lenovo security guy’s finger opens the document.

If you’ve ever had a laptop stolen, this might sound useful. It is. In fact, encrypting hard disks or individual files is the main use that most vendors are promoting for the chip. Thinkpads have been able to do that since their IBM days, and now most other laptops can too. You can probably try it out by downloading software from your laptop manufacturer’s site, and Microsoft is building similar functionality into Vista as Palladium NGSCB Secure Startup BitLocker.

The fingerprint sensor is also a good thing, if it’s just used for encryption. It’s even good for privacy: It means that network servers can authenticate you based on your fingerprint, without sending any fingerprint data over the network. (How? You authenticate to the chip in your laptop with your fingerprint, then the chip authenticates to the server with a digital certificate.)

But DRM goes beyond encryption. In the system that Lenovo demonstrated, the decision about who can do what with the file is made by whoever generates the PDF, not by the person or organization that owns the laptop. According to Lenovo, the system is also aimed at tracking who reads a document and when, because the chip can report back every access attempt. If you access the file, your fingerprint is recorded.

That might also sound useful, provided of course that you’re the one doing the recording and restricting. (I’d love to be Big Brother! Wouldn’t we all?) The problem is that you won’t be. Even if we forget about media companies for the moment, and assume that DRM is just for businesses that need to protect their sensitive documents from disclosure by employees or outsourcing partners, it’s still a bad tradeoff.

A DRM system may seem to empower whoever is setting the restrictions (in this case, the PDF creator), but that’s just power by proxy. The real control lies with the hardware and software companies. They’re the ones who actually enforce the DRM and have the encryption keys, so they can hold your data to ransom.

DRM customers are already locked into a single vendor: A DRM-restricted Word document can only be read by Word (not OO.org, WordPerfect or Writely), just as a DRM-restricted iTunes download can only be played on an iPod. Present versions of Word and iTunes still let customers escape by using the Windows clipboard or a CD burner, but that capability can be removed at any time.

Relying on DRM means trusting all the vendors involved (in this case, Microsoft, Adobe, Lenovo and its component suppliers) more than you trust the users of the system. You need to trust the vendors both morally and practically: Can Microsoft be trusted not to abuse its power? And can Microsoft be trusted to develop a system that isn’t full of security holes?

If you’re a movie studio or a record label, the users are your customers. You probably do trust Microsoft and the TCG more than your customers, so DRM might make sense. But if you’re an organization seeking to protect sensitive data, the users are your own employees and business partners. Are they really less trustworthy than Microsoft, its employees and its business partners?

Topics: Consumer/Personal Tech : Hardware : Security : Windows/Microsoft



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  2. 2006-06-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sweeedish Meatballs
  3. 2006-06-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Queens DA needs Linux Engineer IMMEDIATELY]
  4. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  5. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Distro ISO
  6. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM in every Laptop
  7. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRm is Theft and the FSF
  8. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft II
  9. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM Laptops
  10. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  11. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] PDF Poison
  12. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-talk] I am starting a new outreach for free software effort.]
  13. 2006-06-03 myc <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  14. 2006-06-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  15. 2006-06-03 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  16. 2006-06-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  17. 2006-06-03 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Join me in standing up for New York's national monuments!
  18. 2006-06-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS General Membership Meeting
  19. 2006-06-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: E-Update for the Committee on Technology in Government of New York City Council (June 4, 2006).]
  20. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRm is Theft and the FSF
  21. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] CRAP
  22. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: BBC
  23. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: Blue Ray
  24. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: IPODS
  25. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: Disabling Information
  26. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mail Archives
  27. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Programming Jobs
  28. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-volunteers] Re: [nylug-talk] teaching volunteer opportunities
  29. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] teaching volunteer opportunities
  30. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] WTC Rebuilding
  31. 2006-06-05 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Palm 700P - You're Invited!]
  32. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [joshua.mcadams-at-gmail.com: YAPC::NA]
  33. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-volunteers] Re: [nylug-talk] teaching volunteer opportunities]
  34. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  35. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  36. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  37. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS General Membership Meeting
  38. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  39. 2006-06-06 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  40. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  41. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  42. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  43. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  44. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  45. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  46. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  47. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  48. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  49. 2006-06-06 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  50. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And GTK+
  51. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GLIB announcement
  52. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLUG Social Meeting
  53. 2006-06-06 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  54. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  55. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] teaching volunteer opportunities
  56. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: New York Times Editorial Supports for Universal Wi-Fi to Conquer Digital Divide in NYC.]
  57. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [dha-at-panix.com: Re: Damian Conway in New York]
  58. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [joshua.mcadams-at-gmail.com: YAPC::NA]
  59. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [tpeters-at-mixcom.com: [MLUG] Linux demotivational posters]
  60. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [phantom21-at-mindspring.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  61. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  62. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]]
  63. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [spacey-nylug-at-lenin.net: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  64. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  65. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tonights Meeting - Hurray - Great Night
  66. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Branta Group Seeks contract System Admin/Data Center Operations Engineer]
  67. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [sunny-at-opencurve.org: [nylug-talk] Fwd: New York State Senate Democrats in need of 2 technologists]
  68. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  69. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad News
  70. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal Commitments
  71. 2006-06-08 myc <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Fwd: FW: 2005 Stella Awards
  72. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: rpm hell
  73. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: rpm hell
  74. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [ISOC-NY Discussion] PBS NOW - 'The Tangled Web'
  75. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] "Wingfest" Vegetarian Style this Friday -at- 7:30pm
  76. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] a
  77. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Applw DRM Protest Saturday 6/10/06]
  78. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: No Subject]
  79. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  80. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  81. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  82. 2006-06-09 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  83. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Voice and the Web
  84. 2006-06-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  85. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  86. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use Article from Noel that we never published
  87. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnumbies Meeting
  88. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 12 June 2006 GNUbies: Antonio Perpinan of Codigo Libre on doing what you want to do with Free Software
  89. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Local Mid-Sized Company seeks SAMBA - LDAP Integration Consultant]
  90. 2006-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  91. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: UK Report on "Digital Rights Management"
  92. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  93. 2006-06-12 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  94. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Telephony
  95. 2006-06-12 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: UK Report on "Digital Rights Management"
  96. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Potential space for Python Work Study Group
  97. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Telephony
  98. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web Server
  99. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [CandidateEmail-at-site.careerbuilder.com: CareerBuilder.com: Sr. Unix Developer]
  100. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with time AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  101. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  102. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  103. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] textbook
  104. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: Book]
  105. 2006-06-13 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] assembly workshop
  106. 2006-06-13 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] bronx
  107. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1 publishing
  108. 2006-06-13 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  109. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New NYLXS Website
  110. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Problems with GRUB
  111. 2006-06-13 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] textbook
  112. 2006-06-13 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: Book]
  113. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Acadaca Internet Solutions seeks PHP Developer]
  114. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with
  115. 2006-06-14 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] please repost Selso's thing tonight
  116. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: reference
  117. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: reference
  118. 2006-06-14 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with time AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  119. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Linux Sys Admin]
  120. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Shulman Fleming & Partners seeks
  121. 2006-06-15 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  122. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  123. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal Status
  124. 2006-06-15 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Techweb intro to Linux
  125. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Video Editing
  126. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  127. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  128. 2006-06-16 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  129. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  130. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [enviro-at-pilosoft.com: latest on drm/tv?]
  131. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] OP-ED - GNU/Windows
  132. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Slackware ISO's
  133. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wikipedia in the News
  134. 2006-06-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Opsware seeks Senior Consulting Engineer]
  135. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Senate Commerce Committee Communications Bill
  136. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM OP-ED in Boston
  137. 2006-06-19 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Opsware seeks Senior Consulting
  138. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting This Week
  139. 2006-06-19 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Senate Commerce Committee Communications Bill
  140. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Verizon price riot
  141. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Supervising Pharmacist Resignation
  142. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting This Week
  143. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TOMORROW! NY Linux Users Group Meeting 6/21: Francis Hwang on Ruby Programming Language
  144. 2006-06-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TOMORROW! NY Linux Users Group Meeting 6/21: Francis Hwang on Ruby
  145. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ron-at-vnetworx.net: [nylug-volunteers] Video/Audio help needed for the meeting tomorrow]
  146. 2006-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  147. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Keep the Internet Free
  148. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] Array 12 drives
  149. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  150. 2006-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Programming Sysadmin position
  151. 2006-06-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  152. 2006-06-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  153. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  154. 2006-06-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  155. 2006-06-22 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  156. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  157. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  158. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  159. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  160. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  161. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  162. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  163. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  164. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  165. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Human Thought
  166. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Legistlative front
  167. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Network Nuetral
  168. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Going Off Line for a few days
  169. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Only the Good Die young
  170. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Bill Gates committing piracy on the internet
  171. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The original Web
  172. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] San Antonio Company seeks Linux Systems Administrator]
  173. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [tqs1757-at-nyu.edu: [ISOC-NY Discussion] Fight for a Free Press]
  174. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Almost Real
  175. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs
  176. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] While NYLXS going off the air for a few days is not the end of the world....
  177. 2006-06-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Hardhats-members] Pharmacy snafu ... enforced dosing schedules]

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