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June 17, 2006 Growing Wikipedia Revises Its 'Anyone Can Edit' Policy By
KATIE HAFNER

Wikipedia is the online encyclopedia that "anyone can edit." Unless you
want to edit the entries on Albert Einstein, human rights in China or
Christina Aguilera.

Wikipedia's come-one, come-all invitation to write and edit articles,
and the surprisingly successful results, have captured the public
imagination. But it is not the experiment in freewheeling collective
creativity it might seem to be, because maintaining so much openness
inevitably involves some tradeoffs.

At its core, Wikipedia is not just a reference work but also an online
community that has built itself a bureaucracy of sorts — one that,
in response to well-publicized problems with some entries, has recently
grown more elaborate. It has a clear power structure that gives volunteer
administrators the authority to exercise editorial control, delete
unsuitable articles and protect those that are vulnerable to vandalism.

Those measures can put some entries outside of the "anyone can edit"
realm. The list changes rapidly, but as of yesterday, the entries
for Einstein and Ms. Aguilera were among 82 that administrators had
"protected" from all editing, mostly because of repeated vandalism or
disputes over what should be said. Another 179 entries — including those
for George W. Bush, Islam and Adolf Hitler — were "semi-protected,"
open to editing only by people who had been registered at the site for
at least four days. (See a List of Protected Entries)

While these measures may appear to undermine the site's democratic
principles, Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia's founder, notes that protection is
usually temporary and affects a tiny fraction of the 1.2 million entries
on the English-language site.

"Protection is a tool for quality control, but it hardly defines
Wikipedia," Mr. Wales said. "What does define Wikipedia is the volunteer
community and the open participation."

>From the start, Mr. Wales gave the site a clear mission: to offer free
knowledge to everybody on the planet. At the same time, he put in place
a set of rules and policies that he continues to promote, like the need
to present information with a neutral point of view.

The system seems to be working. Wikipedia is now the Web's
third-most-popular news and information source, beating the sites of
CNN and Yahoo News, according to Nielsen NetRatings.

The bulk of the writing and editing on Wikipedia is done by a
geographically diffuse group of 1,000 or so regulars, many of whom are
administrators on the site.

"A lot of people think of Wikipedia as being 10 million people, each
adding one sentence," Mr. Wales said. "But really the vast majority of
work is done by this small core community."

The administrators are all volunteers, most of them in their 20's. They
are in constant communication — in real-time online chats, on "talk"
pages connected to each entry and via Internet mailing lists. The
volunteers share the job of watching for vandalism, or what Mr. Wales
called "drive-by nonsense." Customized software — written by volunteers
— also monitors changes to articles.

Mr. Wales calls vandalism to the encyclopedia "a minimal problem, a dull
roar in the background." Yet early this year, amid heightened publicity
about false information on the site, the community decided to introduce
semi-protection of some articles. The four-day waiting period is meant
to function something like the one imposed on gun buyers.

Once the assaults have died down, the semi-protected page is often reset
to "anyone can edit" mode. An entry on Bill Gates was semi-protected
for just a few days in January, but some entries, like the article on
President Bush, stay that way indefinitely. Other semi-protected subjects
as of yesterday were Opus Dei, Tony Blair and sex.

To some critics, protection policies make a mockery of the "anyone can
edit" notion.

"As Wikipedia has tried to improve its quality, it's beginning to
look more and more like an editorial structure," said Nicholas Carr,
a technology writer who recently criticized Wikipedia on his blog. "To
say that great work can be created by an army of amateurs with very
little control is a distortion of what Wikipedia really is."

But Mr. Wales dismissed such criticism, saying there had always been
protections and filters on the site.

Wikipedia's defenders say it usually takes just a few days for all but
the most determined vandals to retreat.

"A cooling-off period is a wonderful mediative technique," said Ross
Mayfield, chief executive of a company called Socialtext that is based
on the same editing technology that Wikipedia uses.

Full protection often results from a "revert war," in which users madly
change the wording back and forth. In such cases, an administrator usually
steps in and freezes the page until the warring parties can settle their
differences in another venue, usually the talk page for the entry. The
Christina Aguilera entry was frozen this week after after fans of the
singer fought back against one user's efforts to streamline it.

Much discussion of Wikipedia has focused on its accuracy. Last year,
an article in the journal Nature concluded that the incidence of
errors in Wikipedia was only slightly higher than in Encyclopaedia
Britannica. Officials at Britannica angrily disputed the findings.

"To be able to do an encyclopedia without having the ability to
differentiate between experts and the general public is very, very
difficult," said Jorge Cauz, the president of Britannica, whose
subscription-based online version receives a small fraction of the
traffic that Wikipedia gets.

Intentional mischief can go undetected for long periods. In the article
about John Seigenthaler Sr., who served in the Kennedy administration,
a suggestion that he was involved in the assassinations of both John
F. and Robert Kennedy was on the site for more than four months before
Mr. Seigenthaler discovered it. He wrote an op-ed article in USA Today
about the incident, calling Wikipedia "a flawed and irresponsible
research tool."

Yet Wikipedians say that in general the accuracy of an article grows
organically. At first, said Wayne Saewyc, a Wikipedia volunteer in
Vancouver, British Columbia, "everything is edited mercilessly by
idiots who do stupid and weird things to it." But as the article grows,
and citations slowly accumulate, Mr. Saewyc said, the article becomes
increasingly accurate.

Wikipedians often speak of how powerfully liberating their first
contribution felt. Kathleen Walsh, 23, a recent college graduate who
majored in music, recalled the first time she added to an article on
the contrabassoon.

"I wrote a paragraph of text and there it was," recalled Ms. Walsh. "You
write all these pages for college and no one ever sees it, and you write
for Wikipedia and the whole world sees it, instantly."

Ms. Walsh is an administrator, a post that others nominated her for
in recognition of her contributions to the site. She monitors a list
of newly created pages, half of which, she said, end up being good
candidates for deletion. Many are "nonsense pages created by kids, like
'Michael is a big dork,' " she said.

Ms. Walsh also serves on the 14-member arbitration committee, which she
describes as "the last resort" for disputes on Wikipedia.

Like so many Web-based successes, Wikipedia started more or less by
accident.

Six years ago, Mr. Wales, who built up a comfortable nest egg in a
brief career as an options trader, started an online encyclopedia called
Nupedia.com, with content to be written by experts. But after attracting
only a few dozen articles, Mr. Wales started Wikipedia on the side. It
grew exponentially.

For the first year or so, Mr. Wales paid the expenses out of his own
pocket. Now the Wikimedia Foundation, the nonprofit organization that
supports Wikipedia, is financed primarily through donations, most in
the $50 to $100 range.

As the donations have risen, so have the costs. The foundation's annual
budget doubled in the last year, to $1.5 million, and traffic has grown
sharply. Search engines like Google, which often turn up Wikipedia entries
at the top of their results, are a big contributor to the site's traffic,
but it is increasingly a first stop for knowledge seekers.

Mr. Wales shares the work of running Wikipedia with the administrators and
four paid employees of the foundation. Although many decisions are made
by consensus within the community, Mr. Wales steps in when an issue is
especially contentious. "It's not always obvious when something becomes
policy," he said. "One way is when I say it is."

Mr. Wales is a true believer in the power of wiki page-editing technology,
which predates Wikipedia. In late 2004, Mr. Wales started Wikia, a
commercial start-up financed by venture capital that lets people build Web
sites based around a community of interest. Wiki 24, for instance, is an
unofficial encyclopedia for the television show "24." Unlike Wikipedia,
the site carries advertising.

Mr. Wales, 39, lives with his wife and daughter in St. Petersburg, Fla.,
where the foundation is based. But Mr. Wales's main habitat these days, he
said, is the inside of airplanes. He travels constantly, giving speeches
to reverential audiences and visiting Wikipedians around the world.

Wikipedia has inspired its share of imitators. A group of scientists
has started the peer-reviewed Encyclopedia of Earth, and Congresspedia
is a new encyclopedia with an article about each member of Congress.

But beyond the world of reference works, Wikipedia has become a symbol
of the potential of the Web.

"It can tell us a lot about the future of knowledge creation, which will
depend much less on individual heroism and more on collaboration," said
Mitchell Kapor, a computer industry pioneer who is president of the Open
Source Applications Foundation.

Zephyr Teachout, a lawyer in Burlington, Vt., who is involved with
Congresspedia, said Wikipedia was reminiscent of old-fashioned civic
groups like the Grange, whose members took individual responsibility
for the organization's livelihood.

"It blows open what's possible," said Ms. Teachout. "What I hope is that
these kinds of things lead to thousands of other experiments like this
encyclopedia, which we never imagined could be produced in this way."

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  70. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal Commitments
  71. 2006-06-08 myc <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Fwd: FW: 2005 Stella Awards
  72. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: rpm hell
  73. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: rpm hell
  74. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [ISOC-NY Discussion] PBS NOW - 'The Tangled Web'
  75. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] "Wingfest" Vegetarian Style this Friday -at- 7:30pm
  76. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] a
  77. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Applw DRM Protest Saturday 6/10/06]
  78. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: No Subject]
  79. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  80. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  81. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  82. 2006-06-09 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  83. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Voice and the Web
  84. 2006-06-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  85. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  86. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use Article from Noel that we never published
  87. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnumbies Meeting
  88. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 12 June 2006 GNUbies: Antonio Perpinan of Codigo Libre on doing what you want to do with Free Software
  89. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Local Mid-Sized Company seeks SAMBA - LDAP Integration Consultant]
  90. 2006-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  91. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: UK Report on "Digital Rights Management"
  92. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  93. 2006-06-12 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  94. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Telephony
  95. 2006-06-12 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: UK Report on "Digital Rights Management"
  96. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Potential space for Python Work Study Group
  97. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Telephony
  98. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web Server
  99. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [CandidateEmail-at-site.careerbuilder.com: CareerBuilder.com: Sr. Unix Developer]
  100. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with time AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  101. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  102. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  103. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] textbook
  104. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: Book]
  105. 2006-06-13 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] assembly workshop
  106. 2006-06-13 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] bronx
  107. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1 publishing
  108. 2006-06-13 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  109. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New NYLXS Website
  110. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Problems with GRUB
  111. 2006-06-13 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] textbook
  112. 2006-06-13 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: Book]
  113. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Acadaca Internet Solutions seeks PHP Developer]
  114. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with
  115. 2006-06-14 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] please repost Selso's thing tonight
  116. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: reference
  117. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: reference
  118. 2006-06-14 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with time AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  119. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Linux Sys Admin]
  120. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Shulman Fleming & Partners seeks
  121. 2006-06-15 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  122. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  123. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal Status
  124. 2006-06-15 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Techweb intro to Linux
  125. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Video Editing
  126. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  127. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  128. 2006-06-16 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  129. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  130. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [enviro-at-pilosoft.com: latest on drm/tv?]
  131. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] OP-ED - GNU/Windows
  132. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Slackware ISO's
  133. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wikipedia in the News
  134. 2006-06-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Opsware seeks Senior Consulting Engineer]
  135. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Senate Commerce Committee Communications Bill
  136. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM OP-ED in Boston
  137. 2006-06-19 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Opsware seeks Senior Consulting
  138. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting This Week
  139. 2006-06-19 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Senate Commerce Committee Communications Bill
  140. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Verizon price riot
  141. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Supervising Pharmacist Resignation
  142. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting This Week
  143. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TOMORROW! NY Linux Users Group Meeting 6/21: Francis Hwang on Ruby Programming Language
  144. 2006-06-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TOMORROW! NY Linux Users Group Meeting 6/21: Francis Hwang on Ruby
  145. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ron-at-vnetworx.net: [nylug-volunteers] Video/Audio help needed for the meeting tomorrow]
  146. 2006-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  147. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Keep the Internet Free
  148. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] Array 12 drives
  149. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  150. 2006-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Programming Sysadmin position
  151. 2006-06-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  152. 2006-06-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  153. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  154. 2006-06-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  155. 2006-06-22 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  156. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  157. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  158. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  159. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  160. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  161. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  162. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  163. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  164. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  165. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Human Thought
  166. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Legistlative front
  167. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Network Nuetral
  168. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Going Off Line for a few days
  169. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Only the Good Die young
  170. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Bill Gates committing piracy on the internet
  171. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The original Web
  172. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] San Antonio Company seeks Linux Systems Administrator]
  173. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [tqs1757-at-nyu.edu: [ISOC-NY Discussion] Fight for a Free Press]
  174. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Almost Real
  175. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs
  176. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] While NYLXS going off the air for a few days is not the end of the world....
  177. 2006-06-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Hardhats-members] Pharmacy snafu ... enforced dosing schedules]

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