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DATE 2006-06-22
FROM einker
SUBJECT Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:42:22 -0400
From: einker
To: "Ron Guerin"
Subject: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
Cc: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
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Novell, "being generally market-stupid" has been alienating small and medium
sized businesses by not marketing their Novell Desktop SuSE Client to any
significant degree. Additionally, the "house cleaning" of original SuSE
personnel from Novell has not contributed in any positive fashion.

Netware has nto significantly changed any since version 4.1 and after the
4.0 Marketing Fiasco (early rollout of a buggy Netware 4.0) , Netware has no
choice to but to lose market share each and every year. Currently, Netware
only has approx a 5-6% market share currently in the server market and that
will decrease by at least 1% every year going forward. At this point their
only viable product is SuSE so I do not see selling off SuSE to be an
option. My feeling is that Novell will try to re-market SuSe, especially the
Enterprise Server, but unless intense marketing exposure to Novell Linux
Desktop is seriously attempted, you can just kiss that product good-bye.
Lets also not forget the extremely confusing and illogically structured
Novell Website. I just tried to find pricing on Novell Linux Desktop and can
find maintenance costs per workstation but where are the Small Business
Packages of 5-10 users Novell used to market and why are the Training Kits
and Seminars so expensive to purchase.


On 6/22/06, Ron Guerin wrote:

> (previous copy went out with the wrong sender address)
>
> einker wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: *einker* >
> > Date: Jun 22, 2006 1:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
> > To: Ruben Safir >
> > Cc: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> >
> > No, the question should be "Is this a good thing or a bad thing?".
> > Novell has consistently screwed up all their marketing and sales efforts
> > since Netware 4.0.
> > Netware is going the way of the DoDo and nothing will change that.
>
> I haven't been a NetWare user since the 3.x days. If the product hasn't
> changed in some substantial way since, there's really no reason someone
> who's never been a NetWare shop before would want to get involved with
> it. It's another case of Microsoft moving in. NetWare used to be the
> only serious game in town. But Windows Networking is "good enough", and
> falls under the "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM
> Microsoft" banner.
>
> > What will happen with Suse is the key question now.
>
> Standard Operating Procedure here is one of two things happens:
>
> 1. Novell somehow manages to survive on its own products,
> and divests itself of SuSE as a "non-core asset", which is
> crazy-moon-speak for "We're selling the only thing we've got
> that's actually worth anything"
>
> 2. Novell throws in the towel, (possibly renaming itself SuSE)
> and end-of-life's their existing product line, and all that
> is left is SuSE.
>
> Since I'm neither a Novell user or a SuSE user, but I do use Gnome and
> Gnome software, I'm more interested in what happens to Ximian, but only
> out of curiosity. Ximian used to be my favorite Linux company, but I
> didn't realize at the time that one of Ximian's core beliefs is that
> anything Microsoft does is enlightened and should be duplicated in GPL
> software right down to the poor design, bloat, and bugs.
>
> It has long been my opinion that Novell's medium, and long-term strategy
> is to be acquired by IBM. I don't see that happening ever, however. If
> at all, IBM will not acquire Novell while it is in possession of a Linux
> distro. You can thank SCO for that.
>
> - Ron
>
>


--
Regards,

Evan M. Inker

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Novell, "being generally market-stupid" has been alienating small=
and medium sized businesses by not marketing their Novell Desktop SuSE Cli=
ent to any significant degree. Additionally, the "house cleaning"=
of original SuSE personnel from Novell has not contributed in any positive=
fashion.


Netware has nto significantly changed any since version 4.1 and aft=
er the 4.0 Marketing Fiasco (early rollout of a buggy Netware 4.0) , Netwar=
e has no choice to but to lose market share each and every year. Currently,=
Netware only has approx a 5-6% market share currently in the server market=
and that will decrease by at least 1% every year going forward. At this po=
int their only viable product is SuSE so I do not see selling off SuSE to b=
e an option. My feeling is that Novell will try to re-market SuSe, especial=
ly the Enterprise Server, but unless intense marketing exposure to Novell L=
inux Desktop is seriously attempted, you can just kiss that product good-by=
e. Lets also not forget the extremely confusing and illogically structured =
Novell Website. I just tried to find pricing on Novell Linux Desktop and ca=
n find maintenance costs per workstation but where are the Small Business P=
ackages of 5-10 users Novell used to market and why are the Training Kits a=
nd Seminars so expensive to purchase.



On 6/22/06, sendername">Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnet=
worx.net
> wrote:
=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; p=
adding-left: 1ex;">
(previous copy went out with the wrong sender address)

einker wrote:=

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *einker* <=
;eminker-at-gmail.com <mailto:ref=3D"mailto:eminker-at-gmail.com">
eminker-at-gmail.com
>>
> Date: Jun 22, 2006 1:22 PM
> Su=
bject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
> To: Ruben Safir <f=3D"mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com <mailto:=3D"mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">
ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com
>>
> Cc: yn.com">hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com <mailto:lyn.com">hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com>
>
> No, the question shou=
ld be "Is this a good thing or a bad thing?".

> Novell has consistently screwed up all their marketing and sales e=
fforts
> since Netware 4.0.
> Netware is going the way of the D=
oDo and nothing will change that.

I haven't been a NetWare user sinc=
e the=20
3.x days.  If the product hasn't
changed in some substantial w=
ay since, there's really no reason someone
who's never been a NetWare sh=
op before would want to get involved with
it.  It's another ca=
se of Microsoft moving in.  NetWare used to be the

only serious game in town.  But Windows Networking is "g=
ood enough", and
falls under the "Nobody ever got fired for bu=
ying <strike>IBM</strike>
Microsoft" banner.

&g=
t; What will happen with Suse is the key question now.


Standard Operating Procedure here is one of two things happens:
=

  1. Novell somehow manages to survive on its own products,r>     and divests itself of SuSE as a "non-core a=
sset", which is
     crazy-moon-speak for "=
;We're selling the only thing we've got

     that's actually worth anything"

&n=
bsp; 2. Novell throws in the towel, (possibly renaming itself SuSE)>     and end-of-life's their existing product line, an=
d all that
     is left is SuSE.

Since I'm ne=
ither a Novell user or a SuSE user, but I do use Gnome and

Gnome software, I'm more interested in what happens to Ximian, but only=

out of curiosity.  Ximian used to be my favorite Linux compan=
y, but I
didn't realize at the time that one of Ximian's core beliefs is=
that

anything Microsoft does is enlightened and should be duplicated in GPL
s=
oftware right down to the poor design, bloat, and bugs.

It has long =
been my opinion that Novell's medium, and long-term strategy
is to be ac=
quired by IBM.  I don't see that happening ever, however. &n=
bsp;If

at all, IBM will not acquire Novell while it is in possession of a Linu=
x
distro.  You can thank SCO for that.

- Ron

lockquote>



--
Regards,

Evan M. I=
nker

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Novell, "being generally market-stupid" has been alienating small and medium
sized businesses by not marketing their Novell Desktop SuSE Client to any
significant degree. Additionally, the "house cleaning" of original SuSE
personnel from Novell has not contributed in any positive fashion.

Netware has nto significantly changed any since version 4.1 and after the
4.0 Marketing Fiasco (early rollout of a buggy Netware 4.0) , Netware has no
choice to but to lose market share each and every year. Currently, Netware
only has approx a 5-6% market share currently in the server market and that
will decrease by at least 1% every year going forward. At this point their
only viable product is SuSE so I do not see selling off SuSE to be an
option. My feeling is that Novell will try to re-market SuSe, especially the
Enterprise Server, but unless intense marketing exposure to Novell Linux
Desktop is seriously attempted, you can just kiss that product good-bye.
Lets also not forget the extremely confusing and illogically structured
Novell Website. I just tried to find pricing on Novell Linux Desktop and can
find maintenance costs per workstation but where are the Small Business
Packages of 5-10 users Novell used to market and why are the Training Kits
and Seminars so expensive to purchase.


On 6/22/06, Ron Guerin wrote:

> (previous copy went out with the wrong sender address)
>
> einker wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: *einker* >
> > Date: Jun 22, 2006 1:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
> > To: Ruben Safir >
> > Cc: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
> >
> > No, the question should be "Is this a good thing or a bad thing?".
> > Novell has consistently screwed up all their marketing and sales efforts
> > since Netware 4.0.
> > Netware is going the way of the DoDo and nothing will change that.
>
> I haven't been a NetWare user since the 3.x days. If the product hasn't
> changed in some substantial way since, there's really no reason someone
> who's never been a NetWare shop before would want to get involved with
> it. It's another case of Microsoft moving in. NetWare used to be the
> only serious game in town. But Windows Networking is "good enough", and
> falls under the "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM
> Microsoft" banner.
>
> > What will happen with Suse is the key question now.
>
> Standard Operating Procedure here is one of two things happens:
>
> 1. Novell somehow manages to survive on its own products,
> and divests itself of SuSE as a "non-core asset", which is
> crazy-moon-speak for "We're selling the only thing we've got
> that's actually worth anything"
>
> 2. Novell throws in the towel, (possibly renaming itself SuSE)
> and end-of-life's their existing product line, and all that
> is left is SuSE.
>
> Since I'm neither a Novell user or a SuSE user, but I do use Gnome and
> Gnome software, I'm more interested in what happens to Ximian, but only
> out of curiosity. Ximian used to be my favorite Linux company, but I
> didn't realize at the time that one of Ximian's core beliefs is that
> anything Microsoft does is enlightened and should be duplicated in GPL
> software right down to the poor design, bloat, and bugs.
>
> It has long been my opinion that Novell's medium, and long-term strategy
> is to be acquired by IBM. I don't see that happening ever, however. If
> at all, IBM will not acquire Novell while it is in possession of a Linux
> distro. You can thank SCO for that.
>
> - Ron
>
>


--
Regards,

Evan M. Inker

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Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline

Novell, "being generally market-stupid" has been alienating small=
and medium sized businesses by not marketing their Novell Desktop SuSE Cli=
ent to any significant degree. Additionally, the "house cleaning"=
of original SuSE personnel from Novell has not contributed in any positive=
fashion.


Netware has nto significantly changed any since version 4.1 and aft=
er the 4.0 Marketing Fiasco (early rollout of a buggy Netware 4.0) , Netwar=
e has no choice to but to lose market share each and every year. Currently,=
Netware only has approx a 5-6% market share currently in the server market=
and that will decrease by at least 1% every year going forward. At this po=
int their only viable product is SuSE so I do not see selling off SuSE to b=
e an option. My feeling is that Novell will try to re-market SuSe, especial=
ly the Enterprise Server, but unless intense marketing exposure to Novell L=
inux Desktop is seriously attempted, you can just kiss that product good-by=
e. Lets also not forget the extremely confusing and illogically structured =
Novell Website. I just tried to find pricing on Novell Linux Desktop and ca=
n find maintenance costs per workstation but where are the Small Business P=
ackages of 5-10 users Novell used to market and why are the Training Kits a=
nd Seminars so expensive to purchase.



On 6/22/06, sendername">Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnet=
worx.net
> wrote:
=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; p=
adding-left: 1ex;">
(previous copy went out with the wrong sender address)

einker wrote:=

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *einker* <=
;eminker-at-gmail.com <mailto:ref=3D"mailto:eminker-at-gmail.com">
eminker-at-gmail.com
>>
> Date: Jun 22, 2006 1:22 PM
> Su=
bject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
> To: Ruben Safir <f=3D"mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com <mailto:=3D"mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com">
ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com
>>
> Cc: yn.com">hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com <mailto:lyn.com">hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com>
>
> No, the question shou=
ld be "Is this a good thing or a bad thing?".

> Novell has consistently screwed up all their marketing and sales e=
fforts
> since Netware 4.0.
> Netware is going the way of the D=
oDo and nothing will change that.

I haven't been a NetWare user sinc=
e the=20
3.x days.  If the product hasn't
changed in some substantial w=
ay since, there's really no reason someone
who's never been a NetWare sh=
op before would want to get involved with
it.  It's another ca=
se of Microsoft moving in.  NetWare used to be the

only serious game in town.  But Windows Networking is "g=
ood enough", and
falls under the "Nobody ever got fired for bu=
ying <strike>IBM</strike>
Microsoft" banner.

&g=
t; What will happen with Suse is the key question now.


Standard Operating Procedure here is one of two things happens:
=

  1. Novell somehow manages to survive on its own products,r>     and divests itself of SuSE as a "non-core a=
sset", which is
     crazy-moon-speak for "=
;We're selling the only thing we've got

     that's actually worth anything"

&n=
bsp; 2. Novell throws in the towel, (possibly renaming itself SuSE)>     and end-of-life's their existing product line, an=
d all that
     is left is SuSE.

Since I'm ne=
ither a Novell user or a SuSE user, but I do use Gnome and

Gnome software, I'm more interested in what happens to Ximian, but only=

out of curiosity.  Ximian used to be my favorite Linux compan=
y, but I
didn't realize at the time that one of Ximian's core beliefs is=
that

anything Microsoft does is enlightened and should be duplicated in GPL
s=
oftware right down to the poor design, bloat, and bugs.

It has long =
been my opinion that Novell's medium, and long-term strategy
is to be ac=
quired by IBM.  I don't see that happening ever, however. &n=
bsp;If

at all, IBM will not acquire Novell while it is in possession of a Linu=
x
distro.  You can thank SCO for that.

- Ron

lockquote>



--
Regards,

Evan M. I=
nker

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  3. 2006-06-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Queens DA needs Linux Engineer IMMEDIATELY]
  4. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-talk] I am starting a new outreach for free software effort.]
  5. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRm is Theft and the FSF
  6. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  7. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] PDF Poison
  8. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM Laptops
  9. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft II
  10. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM in every Laptop
  11. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  12. 2006-06-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Distro ISO
  13. 2006-06-03 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Join me in standing up for New York's national monuments!
  14. 2006-06-03 myc <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  15. 2006-06-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  16. 2006-06-03 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  17. 2006-06-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next General Meeting
  18. 2006-06-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS General Membership Meeting
  19. 2006-06-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: E-Update for the Committee on Technology in Government of New York City Council (June 4, 2006).]
  20. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: IPODS
  21. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: Disabling Information
  22. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: Blue Ray
  23. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft: BBC
  24. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mail Archives
  25. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRm is Theft and the FSF
  26. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] CRAP
  27. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] WTC Rebuilding
  28. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [joshua.mcadams-at-gmail.com: YAPC::NA]
  29. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] teaching volunteer opportunities
  30. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-volunteers] Re: [nylug-talk] teaching volunteer opportunities]
  31. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Programming Jobs
  32. 2006-06-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-volunteers] Re: [nylug-talk] teaching volunteer opportunities
  33. 2006-06-05 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Palm 700P - You're Invited!]
  34. 2006-06-06 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  35. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS General Membership Meeting
  36. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  37. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [dha-at-panix.com: Re: Damian Conway in New York]
  38. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [joshua.mcadams-at-gmail.com: YAPC::NA]
  39. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLUG Social Meeting
  40. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  41. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] teaching volunteer opportunities
  42. 2006-06-06 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  43. 2006-06-06 rc <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  44. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  45. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  46. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  47. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [bruce.lai-at-council.nyc.ny.us: New York Times Editorial Supports for Universal Wi-Fi to Conquer Digital Divide in NYC.]
  48. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Pizza Beer & AJAX in NYC Tuesday
  49. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 Hours to Save Internet Fair Use
  50. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] And GTK+
  51. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GLIB announcement
  52. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [tpeters-at-mixcom.com: [MLUG] Linux demotivational posters]
  53. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  54. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  55. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [spacey-nylug-at-lenin.net: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  56. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  57. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [phantom21-at-mindspring.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  58. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  59. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]]
  60. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  61. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  62. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  63. 2006-06-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  64. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  65. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [sunny-at-opencurve.org: [nylug-talk] Fwd: New York State Senate Democrats in need of 2 technologists]
  66. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Branta Group Seeks contract System Admin/Data Center Operations Engineer]
  67. 2006-06-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tonights Meeting - Hurray - Great Night
  68. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [ISOC-NY Discussion] PBS NOW - 'The Tangled Web'
  69. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Applw DRM Protest Saturday 6/10/06]
  70. 2006-06-08 myc <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Fwd: FW: 2005 Stella Awards
  71. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] a
  72. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: No Subject]
  73. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?
  74. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] "Wingfest" Vegetarian Style this Friday -at- 7:30pm
  75. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: rpm hell
  76. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal Commitments
  77. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: rpm hell
  78. 2006-06-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Bad News
  79. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Voice and the Web
  80. 2006-06-09 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  81. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  82. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [dcrosta-at-sccs.swarthmore.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  83. 2006-06-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  84. 2006-06-10 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-rennlist.net> Re: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  85. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [carenas2-at-alumni.gs.columbia.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] PIG in new york?]
  86. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 12 June 2006 GNUbies: Antonio Perpinan of Codigo Libre on doing what you want to do with Free Software
  87. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnumbies Meeting
  88. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Local Mid-Sized Company seeks SAMBA - LDAP Integration Consultant]
  89. 2006-06-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fair Use Article from Noel that we never published
  90. 2006-06-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [CFSG-forum] Fwd: AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  91. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Potential space for Python Work Study Group
  92. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with time AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  93. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Web Server
  94. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Telephony
  95. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  96. 2006-06-12 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Journal
  97. 2006-06-12 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: UK Report on "Digital Rights Management"
  98. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Telephony
  99. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: UK Report on "Digital Rights Management"
  100. 2006-06-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [CandidateEmail-at-site.careerbuilder.com: CareerBuilder.com: Sr. Unix Developer]
  101. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Linux 1 publishing
  102. 2006-06-13 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  103. 2006-06-13 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] textbook
  104. 2006-06-13 MLR <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: Book]
  105. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Problems with GRUB
  106. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] textbook
  107. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  108. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: Book]
  109. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gnubies Meeting
  110. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Acadaca Internet Solutions seeks PHP Developer]
  111. 2006-06-13 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] bronx
  112. 2006-06-13 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] assembly workshop
  113. 2006-06-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New NYLXS Website
  114. 2006-06-14 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] please repost Selso's thing tonight
  115. 2006-06-14 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with time AAFE and CFSG youth technology show case]
  116. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Linux Sys Admin]
  117. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Shulman Fleming & Partners seeks
  118. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] selsok-at-yahoo.com: [CFSG-forum] Rev. with
  119. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: reference
  120. 2006-06-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: reference
  121. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Video Editing
  122. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal Status
  123. 2006-06-15 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Techweb intro to Linux
  124. 2006-06-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  125. 2006-06-15 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  126. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  127. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] enjoy
  128. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [enviro-at-pilosoft.com: latest on drm/tv?]
  129. 2006-06-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  130. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Wikipedia in the News
  131. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Slackware ISO's
  132. 2006-06-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] OP-ED - GNU/Windows
  133. 2006-06-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Opsware seeks Senior Consulting Engineer]
  134. 2006-06-19 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Opsware seeks Senior Consulting
  135. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Supervising Pharmacist Resignation
  136. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting This Week
  137. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM OP-ED in Boston
  138. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Verizon price riot
  139. 2006-06-19 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Senate Commerce Committee Communications Bill
  140. 2006-06-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Senate Commerce Committee Communications Bill
  141. 2006-06-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TOMORROW! NY Linux Users Group Meeting 6/21: Francis Hwang on Ruby
  142. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] TOMORROW! NY Linux Users Group Meeting 6/21: Francis Hwang on Ruby Programming Language
  143. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Meeting This Week
  144. 2006-06-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ron-at-vnetworx.net: [nylug-volunteers] Video/Audio help needed for the meeting tomorrow]
  145. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [nylug-talk] Array 12 drives
  146. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Keep the Internet Free
  147. 2006-06-21 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Journal
  148. 2006-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  149. 2006-06-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Programming Sysadmin position
  150. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  151. 2006-06-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  152. 2006-06-22 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  153. 2006-06-22 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  154. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  155. 2006-06-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  156. 2006-06-22 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Novell News
  157. 2006-06-16 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] General Memebership Meeting
  158. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  159. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Human Thought
  160. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Blue Tooth Laptop
  161. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The original Web
  162. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [tqs1757-at-nyu.edu: [ISOC-NY Discussion] Fight for a Free Press]
  163. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Network Nuetral
  164. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Legistlative front
  165. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  166. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  167. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Bill Gates committing piracy on the internet
  168. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  169. 2006-06-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  170. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Entertainment Japanese style
  171. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [rguerin-at-nylug.org: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] San Antonio Company seeks Linux Systems Administrator]
  172. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Going Off Line for a few days
  173. 2006-06-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Only the Good Die young
  174. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] While NYLXS going off the air for a few days is not the end of the world....
  175. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Almost Real
  176. 2006-06-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jobs
  177. 2006-06-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Hardhats-members] Pharmacy snafu ... enforced dosing schedules]

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