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From: Ruben Safir
Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning
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On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 08:07:16PM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
> dear Miles and other readers of this uncomfortable thread,
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > Personally, I'm waiting and seeing. Certainly not giving any money,
> > and not contributing any resources (though I have contributed "design
> > goals" and "design review" of a sort). So far, I'll give these folks
> > the benefit of the doubt and see if any of the promised early code and
> > infrastructure materializes. Then I'll worry about names, detailed
> > c.v.s, and organizing documents.
> thanks for your attitude. this sort of criticism is welcome.
> as for identifying myself now, at least as responsible for the financial
> operation: I don't really believe much in national IDs being a proof,
> rather than peer network trust. For that, Debian uses PGP signatures.
> Here are my keys with signatures made in more than 10 years. These are
> mostly people I know in person: I don't do much pgp signature partying
> since I don't call that partying :^)
> and the last currently valid key I'm using to sign my mails:
Yeah - well tough
That doesn't make for real accountabilty let alone allow for say,
criminal prosecution if you frauded the public.
Instead, what is needed is like EVERY OTHER PERSON HAS DONE when
undertaking a project on this scale which requires public support, that
they identify themselves and their relationship to whatever organization
that they are working under.
So far I don't trust you because not only had you refused to identify
yourself and operated for nearly a week as an alias on the list, but
because you put out misleading statements, (such as you represent a
old unix system admins) and actually, since you SEEM
to be a one man operation functioning under the guise of DYNE.ORG, your
still making misleading statements and avoiding a simple clarification
which could have put this whole thing to bed quite a while ago.
The goals need to be clearly stated, BTW. It wouldn't hurt, as a matter
of fact, to even have some of them debated since forking from a systemd
version of debian is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from "Init Freedom"..whatever
BTW - I don't care if you like government ID cards or not. I care that
you are accountable and that those who will put in the effort to do a
massive port won't be screwed by a nutcase, or a criminal.
Instead of coming out forthrightly, you've continued to dodge the issue
of accountability, identification, and honesty. If I didn't think you
weren't just nuts, I would be more concern that your criminal. But I'm
leaning to think your just nuts.
Regardless, the first order of business needs to get the house in order
and delegate responsibility and accountability to an independent
organization for its stated purposes. The people serious
about doing this should just port this off to a neutral infrastructure,
get together and decide how you want to govern this development.
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