|FROM ||Ruben Safir
|SUBJECT ||Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [Dng] fraud warning
|This guy is about as dishonest and messianic as anyone if going to get
on this side of Charles Mason. He might get something done, but he is a
bad bad bad apple:
no plans yet just mumblings. ck2 was named yes
peetaur2: however I do know lqfb and think is a good platform,
I wouldn't exclude that it may become binding for decisions on the long term
for sure it can already involve people on polls and drafting
documents, if they like to use it. I'm not sure our audience likes to
type into browsers... but worth trying
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if you let them vote now, it'll be junk like "do we want to
support systemd?" so we need principles first... I really believe
principles come first, then technical goals
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peetaur2 : our todo list is basically:
1- base infrastructure
2- proof of concept release
3- principles / manifesto
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5- work work work work for complete release
for people to want to work on things, they need to know about
the effort... there needs to be goals that will be attained with your
list there. And for the goals to make sense, they should be based on
actually 1 and 2 are close to be ready
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I agree with your points except I would put the basic
peetaur2 : ok, so, "the first principle is that my list is the
one to follow" :D
i think peetaur2 makes a good point about principles. It
shouldn't be too hard to come up with something fairly basic.
AntiSol: thank you :D
just something short, quick to skim, like bullet points
if principles now entail all kinds of democratic discussions:
we want to avoid that. because that's where the trolls come in
otherwise it's What do we want? "I don't know!"
when do we want it? "Spring 2015!"
I think maybe 3-4 really simple things that should be pretty
easy to get fairly broad consensus about
peetaur2 : there will be one soon, just let us come to a poc
and a working infrastructure and we will do that
judging from the success of devuan in the public sphere, we
can tell that what we want to do and the way we want to do it is pretty
clear to the majority of our audience
principles come before any democracy/beurocracy... just
dictate who is with you and then we have an identity
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if you let democracy decide on principles, then the result
will be pro-systemd :D
what we need to avoid now is to dilute the energies into
discussions and trolling. I hoped systemd tugs would leave us alone as
we abandoned the ship basically, but now. its really nasty to be
followed until here and we must defend the outpost clearly
so I should write such a bullet point list then and you can
review them? ;)
ok, so what if the first principle is something along the
lines of "systemd is the wrong way"? :)
peetaur2 AntiSol and others please keep this chat focused on
technical issues regarding #devuan
I like that, but would attempt to word it more like "the
philosophy and entire structure of systemd is the wrong way; a couple of
the features can be reimplemented to make the masses happy"
There are already a couple of broad things mentioned on the
website, like minimalism. I like everything I've read.
this is not a philosophical chat room
general chat is that way -> #debianfork
It really is for development... I don't know why you don't
think the principles are relevant.
Hi, thank you for doing a fork of Debian, I want to be
I agree with peetaur2 that some broad principles are important
to the project - I came here thinking that I might try to contribute
somehow. I don't feel like contributing my efforts to something only to
find out in 12 months that our principles are incompatible! :P
when you take technical people without any methodology, you
get things like openssl, which turned out badly.
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also for development, yeah, you have no end goal.
peetaur2, peetaurthey are relevant, but again, general chat is
that way -> #debianfork
openssl reimplemented malloc... for the stupidest reason, and
created a huge problem. To decide if it was right or wrong to
reimplement malloc, they had to look to principles, and they had none,
so it happened, and you know how it turned out.
On 12/01/2014 02:55 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 08:52:32PM +0100, Franco Lanza wrote:
>> Please, do not feed the troll.
> Franco, scratch my ass.
> And with that, I go back to the front desk and tipping the bellhop.
> Thank you for the lovely stay.
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