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You should listen to THIS guy, Denis. He is smarter than you are:
From your own mailing list:
*Author: *Ayan George
*Date: *2014-12-21 15:43 -500
*Subject: *Re: [Dng] Devuan Fork and Fraud
On 12/21/2014 02:38 PM, hellekin wrote:/
> On 12/21/2014 02:53 PM, Ayan George wrote:
>> I have to admit: I've been following the list and Ruben's posts
>> and I think by in large he makes good points.
> *** I think you're right. But his good points are entirely lost with
> his aggressive, dismissive, defamatory attitude. Despite that
> horrible attitude, Jaromil has been addressing all of his dark
> points in a polite manner, and the berserk is still striking.
>> It is fine to have a loosely organized and headless organization
>> where we chat about how much we hate systemd, speculate about
>> naming conventions, etc. It is another to ask for donations to an
>> effort with nebulous leadership and goals.
> *** I don't think anyone here hates anything. Hate is certainly not
> the right attitude when the goal is to provide choice. People are
> free to donate or not. Most do because they know who they are
> dealing with, and there's no mystery about it, contrary to what
> Ruben Safir wants to believe./
To be clear: I used "hate" as a rhetorical device. Although there is a
lot of sincere talk about giving choice, you have to admit that there
are quite a few posts from people who really dislike systemd (if not
Anyway -- maybe it is a cultural difference but when it comes to
bootstrapping projects I believe the hacker / programmer / FOSS /
whatever subculture prefers to judge projects by their output and so far
Devuan has very little to speak of.
I don't want to belabour this though. I genuinely thought Devuan was
Finally I think there is a real problem with the doxing of Ruben Safir.
The so-called "hackers" used public information that he himself
publishes on his personal website so it didn't require any more than a
Still -- I think whatever leadership Devuan has should have denounced it
That's all! Carry on and I'll go back to lurking.
And for what it is worth, your a lier. You know damn well about that
attack on the hacking site. There was no "/Jaromil has been addressing
all of his dark
> points in a polite manner, and the berserk is still striking."
there was you reluctantly addressing ONE POINT, which had to be dragged
out of you. Then there was me off the list and busy with school. And
then there was you initiating this nasty and dangerous incitement. And
then there was me returning to complain about your incitement.
As far as the full disclosure of what Dyne is and who runs it how many
people are "the veteran Unix admins" which is just BS that you fed the
press to make yourself look big, all of those details, like where will
the money be spent that is donated....who is doing the code and why do
you swat away people who ask to help....
it must all be being used to make "noises with hands and producing
What a con artist you turned out to be. You lie with dogs, you get fleas.
Do something about your attack dogs.
On 12/22/2014 05:33 AM, Jaromil wrote:
> dear colleagues, respectable mr.Safir,
> The website you are pointing at has nothing to do with me, nor I ever
> fostered the creation of such a website, to the contrary I did
> discourage anyone, publicly and privately and more than once to drive
> personal attacks and in general personalize the discussion around
> Mr.Safir: in case you insist to associate such rogue websites with me,
> then please provide proofs. Meanwhile, this communication is archived
> along other actual proofs I have of your defamation and false accusation
> on my name, which is actually on record.
> I refrain my wish to not be involved into this sort of communication
> anymore, since I do not have any means to help the condition of Mr.Safir
> more than I did so far. I can only commit to keep moderating the public
> lists hosted on dyne.org so that there are no personal attacks and so
> that aggressive behaviour like the one shown by mr.Safir does not spark
> any retaliation. Anything else goes beyond my capacity and I encourage
> you to investigate it as appropriated.
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2014, Ruben Safir wrote:
>> On 12/22/2014 03:09 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
>>> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
>>> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
>>> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>>> > Now remember, I joined the list, talked to them, and then unsubscribed.
>>> > He then threatened me,
>>> What exactly did he say to you, that constituted threats?
>> what he did was put up a notice on one of the black hat hacking sites
>> with all my personal information, and pictures of my family and asking
>> the public to hack into my systems of harass my kids
>> that is when I went back and complained openly about his behaviour. The
>> guy is a bad apple.
>> The post reads:
>> Ruben Safir busca que Devuan sea denunciado por scam page en sus
>> Grave acusacion pero es cierto. Ruben Safir, quien impulsó el borrado de
>> Jaromil de Wikipedia y esta haciendolo con mas articulos, esta llevando
>> a cabo esto muy personal e intentando que las donaciones via Stripe
>> hacia Devuan sean bloqueadas denunciando que es una scam page. Me cansé
>> Ruben, asi como alguna vez me subí al colectivo que dejo varias paginas
>> offline, llego el momento de que abras tu ano.
>> El tipo este que clama ser developer de opensuse o intenta serlo, el
>> mismo Ruben Safir que pidio el borrado del articulo de Jaromil de
>> wikipedia, esta haciendo donaciones via Stripe y cancelandolas, diciendo
>> que es una scam page y fue un error, buscando que bloqueen dicho canal
>> de donacion. Esto ha llegado muy lejos y al menos yo, como lo hice
>> antes, tengo ganas de que Ruben abra su ano.
>> *Ruben Safir quien es el ganador de un free pentest*
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ANYLXS < usuario de que no uso
>> cuando pidio el borrado de Jaromil, sino que uso la IP de su sitio, como
>> si no lo fueramos a encontrar, idiota.
>> And then it goes on from there, identifying my kids etc.
>> and it ends with:
>> "Ruben, do you want more?. A suggestion, stop trolling to Devuan
>> project, is just a advice, ok?.
>> Happy hacking!.
>> PS: I'm not a newbie Ruben, don't play with me. Stay quiet and then I
>> erase this post. "
>> It is a scare tactic. And it is not the only fruitloop thing this guy
>> has done. He is a devious SOB .... my suggestion to anyone who gets
>> near this guy is to stand clear of him. He has a certain devout
>> following so he can move projects a certain degree, but then he hits a wall.
>> With regard to the project itself, you should find someone to take over
>> this project because it is a good cause, IMO. I know it is not that
>> simple..... I well know. But still, a viable long term non-systemd
>> based system is vital, IMO for the long term health of the GNU Ecosystem
>> and the FSF should step in an try to assure continuity outside of the
>> systemd fork that is happening.
>> I'd be happy to help, but this band of goons can't be relied upon.