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DATE 2013-06-04
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) NY Mets Finances
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I'm so sick of hearing people blame Aldersen for the stupidity of this
ball club.

Here is the mets financial report

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New York Mets Main Financial Challenge May Be Fielding Competitive Team
By Linda Sandler & Scott Soshnick - Mar 3, 2012 2:47 AM ET

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New York Mets general manager Sandy Alderson, preparing to drive to
Florida for spring training earlier this month, joked with fans through
Twitter messages about the sorry state of his baseball team???s
finances.

He would need a fundraiser for gas money to get to the Mets Port St.
Lucie training complex because the team only reimbursed miles at a
???downhill rate,??? he said.
Enlarge image Bernard Madoff's Mets Jacket

A Mets jacket formerly owned by Bernard Madoff, founder of Bernard L.
Madoff Investment Securities LLC. Source: U.S. Marshals via Bloomberg
Enlarge image Mets' Sandy Alderson

Sandy Alderson poses for photographers at Citi Field in the Flushing
neighborhood of the Queens borough of New York City. Photographer:
Andrew Burton/Getty Images
Enlarge image Fred Wilpon

Owner Fred Wilpon of the New York Mets. Photographer: Marc Serota/Getty
Images
Enlarge image Bernard Madoff

Bernard Madoff, founder of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC,
leaves federal court in New York on March 10, 2009.Photographer: Jin
Lee/Bloomberg
Enlarge image Ike Davis #29 of the New York Mets

Ike Davis #29 of the New York Mets. Photographer: Nick Laham/Getty
Images
Enlarge image Lucas Duda #21 of the New York Mets

Photographer: Jeff Curry/Getty Images
Enlarge image Johan Santana #57 of the New York Mets

Johan Santana #57 of the New York Mets. Photographer: Sarah Glenn/Getty
Images

Mets fans, on local talk radio or in blogs devoted to the fortunes of
the beleaguered Major League Baseball team, give the impression they
consider the financial prospects of the team a joke too.

That may be about to change. After fan predictions of bankruptcy, the
Mets owners are set to hear by March 5 whether they must go to trial to
fight a $386 million claim for money they had with Bernard Madoff, the
con man who ran the biggest Ponzi scheme in history and now resides in
federal prison in North Carolina.

A ruling that ends or limits the potential liability would come on top
of a pending infusion of about $200 million from minority investors in
the team, which will be used to pay $65 million of short term loans from
Major League Baseball and Bank of America (BAC) Corp. If all goes well,
the principal challenge as spring training season games begin may be
fielding a team that will get fans back in the seats at Citi Field, the
Mets??? home park in Queens, New York.

???We???ve got to win the fans back,??? Mets owner Fred Wilpon
told reporters last week at the team???s spring training facility.
???We have a diminished population coming to Citi Field. We need that
revenue. And the only way we???re going to get that revenue is if we
have a competitive, interesting team on the field.???
Few Stars

The Mets??? roster has only a few proven stars, including third
baseman David Wright, 29, a five-time All-Star whose production slipped
in 2011, and Johan Santana, 32, a former 20- game winner for the
Minnesota Twins who missed all of the 2011 season because of shoulder
surgery.

The team lost shortstop Jose Reyes, 28, last year???s National League
batting champion, to the Miami Marlins after he was offered more money
in a longer contract than the Mets thought made sense. Carlos Beltran, a
six-time All-Star and former Rookie of the Year, was traded to the San
Francisco Giants last year for a package of players including pitcher
Zack Wheeler, 21, who has yet to play in the major leagues. Wheeler
along with pitcher Matt Harvey, 22, are the two Mets ranked among
Baseball America???s top 100 prospects.

???They???re not barren, but the farm system won???t play a major
role in their resurgence the next couple of years,??? said Jim Callis,
Baseball America???s executive editor, referring to younger players
brought onto the team.
Revenue Slide

That doesn???t bode well for improvement on the field this year from
2011, when the Mets finished fourth out of five teams in the NL East.
Sterling Mets LP, which runs the team and owns Citi Field, took $51
million out of Queens Ballpark Co. in 2010, down from about $167 million
in 2009, according to the stadium???s latest published annual results,
available on the Municipal Securities Rulemaking Board website. Results
for the full year 2011 aren???t available yet.

Distributions to Sterling Mets in 2009 were swelled by $50 million of
cash on hand at the beginning of the year and about $20 million of lower
lease and other costs, according to the financial statements.

Revenue from the stadium slipped further in 2011, falling 12 percent
through November as attendance fell to 2.29 million, according to
Standard & Poor???s analyst Jodi Hecht. Stadium managers???
projections of a rebound in attendance in 2012 to 2.5 million appear
???aggressive,??? she said in a December report.
Ticket Sales

The Mets owners get paid mainly from ticket sales from 81 home games a
year. Bondholders get all revenue and receivables from luxury suite
premiums, some ticket sales from club and premium seats, food, beverage
and merchandise concessions, advertising and most of the naming rights,
certain sponsorship agreements and parking operations. Separately, the
Mets owners also get paid from their stake in SNY, a regional sports
network.

S&P in December cut to negative the outlook on $695.4 million of debt
issued to build Citi Field after the team???s third straight losing
season and falling attendance.

???If your attendance numbers are going down, the unsold inventory is
putting pressure on your primary market -- season ticket holders, mini
plans,??? said Rob Tilliss, managing partner at advisory firm Inner
Circle Sports. ???If there???s that much inventory out there on,
say, StubHub, it???s harder to retain pricing power.??? StubHub is a
secondary ticket market.
Revenue Stream

Selling tickets is key to the Mets??? finances, as it???s one of the
few revenue streams the team keeps from the stadium.

Most season-ticket holders will pay less this season, the Mets said in
October. About 80 percent of their seats will cost at least 5 percent
less; 57 percent will dip at least 10 percent, and 35 percent will drop
at least 20 percent. Under a new ???dynamic pricing??? policy, fans
will probably pay more to see relatively more popular clubs such as the
Philadelphia Phillies and Miami Marlins, than for clubs such as the
Houston Astros or San Diego Padres.

Last season???s average ticket price for the Mets was $31.81,
fifth-highest in Major League Baseball, according to Team Marketing
Report, an industry newsletter. Premium seats cost $102.13, sixth
highest in baseball.

At that level, the Mets lost $70 million last year, general manager
Alderson has said. The team???s loss, and the owners??? slide in
revenue from the stadium, comes after the Madoff fraud wiped out $500
million the Mets owners thought they had of their own and the team???s
money, they estimated.
Team Expenses

Also gone is about $63 million a year of Madoff money that paid team
expenses including players??? deferred compensation. The amount
represents withdrawals in the six years before the con man???s 2008
arrest, calculated by the Madoff firm???s liquidator, Irving Picard.
During baseball???s regular season, when money was needed, Sterling
made about three-quarters of its withdrawals from Madoff accounts,
Picard said.

Sterling Equities Inc., Wilpon???s and his partners??? company,
restructured a bank loan of more than $500 million after Madoff???s
arrest, Picard said in his lawsuit. Bankers ordained that a judgment in
the Madoff case of more than $100 million, or in some cases $50 million,
would be ???an event of default,??? he said.
???Team-Generated Revenue???

Picard???s assertion that the Mets couldn???t make their payroll
without Madoff money was ???disingenuous,??? the owners said in a
court filing this month. The money they withdrew from their Madoff
accounts to meet the payroll came from ticket sales and other
???team-generated revenue??? deposited with the con man, they said.

William Halldin, a Bank of America spokesman, declined to comment on
loans to the Mets??? owners.

The Mets??? themselves have a $430 million loan that comes due in June
2014, a year before a $450 million loan to SNY, the sports network built
around the Mets, falls due, according to author Howard Megdal, who wrote
a 2011 book, ???Wilpon???s Folly: The Story of a Man, His Fortune,
and the New York Mets.???
Restructuring Firm

While Sterling declined to discuss the loans, its partners have hired a
restructuring firm ???to provide services in connection with financial
reporting and budgeting processes,??? according to a statement. The
loans may be restructured, said a person familiar with Sterling???s
finances who declined to be named as the debt plans are private.

The team owners are partly offsetting the loss of Madoff income by
reducing their basic payroll to about $90 million this season, from $140
million. This is the first time since 2002 that the franchise???s
Opening Day salary total has dipped below $100 million. The Mets
finished with a 77-85 record last season, slashing costs during the
offseason by not re-signing Reyes, whose contract with the Marlins is
worth at least $111 million over six seasons, according to ESPN.

The Mets in the past five years have spent $24.9 million on draft
bonuses for players in school, which ranks 22nd among 30 teams. Baseball
America has the Mets as the 24th-ranked farm system in baseball.
???What You Pay For???

???For a team in their market, with a new ballpark, that???s
inexcusable to spend that little on the draft,??? Baseball
America???s Callis said. ???Money doesn???t guarantee success, but
a lot of what you get out of the draft is what you pay for.???

Bondholders who helped finance the stadium???s construction are repaid
by revenue allocated to them, including from luxury suites, and
can???t pursue the Sterling partners. There???s enough revenue to
make bond payments, according to S&P and Moody???s Investors Service.

If the judge handling the Mets owners??? case, Jed Rakoff, awards
Picard the $83 million he wants immediately before trial, out of a total
of $386 million, Wilpon will have to post a bond to appeal the ruling.

The team has sold seven minority ownership shares, out of a targeted 10,
$20 million shares, each representing about 4 percent of the franchise,
Wilpon said last month. If he buys the shares back in six years, as the
New York Times reported investors were told, he???s adding debt, not
getting an equity infusion.
More of a Loan

???It???s more of a loan than an investment if he buys them
back,??? said Chip Bowles, a bankruptcy lawyer and baseball fan in
Louisville, Kentucky. Sterling wouldn???t say if a buyback is planned.

The sale was largely to Sterling companies and partners. Four shares
went to SNY, the regional sports network owned by the team with Time
Warner (TWC) Cable Inc. and Comcast (CMCSA) Corp. Two shares went to
Sterling partners. Billionaire hedge-fund manager Steven Cohen of SAC
Capital Advisors, a bidder for the Los Angeles Dodgers, is among those
investing in the Mets, a person with direct knowledge of the situation
told Bloomberg News.

If the judgment in the Madoff case is more than $100 million, that could
technically trigger a default on Sterling???s $500 million loan,
according to Picard???s reading of the documents.

The Mets owners have hired restructuring firm CRG Partners, which
advised the Texas Rangers on its bankruptcy. The Mets say they
haven???t hired CRG for such advice.

???Sterling could file for bankruptcy,??? Bowles said. ???I would
be shocked if they hadn???t consulted someone about using bankruptcy
as a way to reduce a legal judgment.???

To contact the reporters on this story: Linda Sandler in New York at
lsandler-at-bloomberg.net Scott Soshnick in New York at
ssoshnick-at-bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Michael Sillup at
msillup-at-bloomberg.net; or John Pickering at jpickering-at-bloomberg.net
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  55. 2013-06-11 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hardware repair
  56. 2013-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hardware repair
  57. 2013-06-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] televsion content wars
  58. 2013-06-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Troubles with hotel arraingments
  59. 2013-06-14 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Troubles with hotel arraingments
  60. 2013-06-14 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Troubles with hotel arraingments
  61. 2013-06-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Troubles with hotel arraingments
  62. 2013-06-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Troubles with hotel arraingments
  63. 2013-06-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Troubles with hotel arraingments
  64. 2013-06-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Troubles with hotel arraingments
  65. 2013-06-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] secure mail - and security
  66. 2013-06-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: question about forwarding and sysfs entries
  67. 2013-06-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) HTTP POST for file upload
  68. 2013-06-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: HTTP POST for file upload
  69. 2013-06-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fishing dates
  70. 2013-06-16 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] So while you were away this weekend
  71. 2013-06-16 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [NYLXS] Secure your email. Get your own email server and...
  72. 2013-06-16 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] So while you were away this weekend
  73. 2013-06-16 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] So while you were away this weekend
  74. 2013-06-16 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] So while you were away this weekend
  75. 2013-06-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] biometrics - I can see you!!
  76. 2013-06-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] image galleries for the web
  77. 2013-06-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] image galleries - a REAL HACK
  78. 2013-06-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A little fraud never hurt anyone
  79. 2013-06-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] github
  80. 2013-06-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] employment help
  81. 2013-06-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] kill count
  82. 2013-06-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] kill count
  83. 2013-06-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] what is the government doing?
  84. 2013-06-27 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Any thoughts on this, Sacramento State 8008 computer, the world's-first
  85. 2013-06-28 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: New job Kansas City Perl developer roles available
  86. 2013-06-28 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MySQL mistake is a wake-up call on open source ownership
  87. 2013-06-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MySQL mistake is a wake-up call on open
  88. 2013-06-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MySQL mistake is a wake-up call on open
  89. 2013-06-30 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MySQL mistake is a wake-up call on open source ownership
  90. 2013-06-30 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MySQL mistake is a wake-up call on open source ownership

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