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| DATE | 2020-05-06 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] masked
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Fergerson in London
The problem is getting clearer. They are asking to do the impossible
and one politician to the next is getting could not complying to the
stupid impossible orders they make...
Pence, Coumo, Rouda, DeBalsio, Schumer, Fergison
We can create a new website - polis_unmasqued.org
On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 07:56:13PM -0400, Keren Ahava wrote:
> And we wonder why people are not compliant???
>
> California Rep. Harley Rouda was recently seen on a private beach in Orange County despite supporting Gov. Gavin Newsom’s criticism of those communities that opened beaches to the public during the coronavirus pandemic.
>
> Last week, Newsom ordered all beaches in Orange County to be temporarily shut down after reports and photos surfaced showing beachgoers apparently violating social distancing guidelines.
>
> You can’t say, do as I say not as I do
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 5, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Karen Perilman wrote:
> >
> > I question the rational regarding wearing masks for many reasons...
> >
> > #1 I have a lot of criticism about the way people are wearing masks and for how long and how often they change them.
> > #2) the way they are disposed, People are throwing them everywhere, basically spreading a contaminated item, (that is if we are all assumed to be carrying the virus
> > #3) people are STILL touching the front of the mask
> > #4) Paper masks are changed between patients in a dental office and they SHOULD be changed between patients in an OR setting, in fact, moist masks, or masks that people have sneezed or coughed into are no longer protective. So if we are all potentially “patients” or around “patients” you need to change the mask often.
> > #5)The CDC was clear, when a surgical mask is used, it should be changed every 20 minutes in a wet environment such as an OR or dental office.. A wet mask wicks all environmental bacteria and viruses. Non moist environments every 60 minutes.
> > #6)People putting used masks in their pockets and then reusing, or using masks inside-out is insane.
> >
> > We have given people a false sense of security and it is more dangerous for someone to use the masks and gloves improperly.
> >
> > Crowded spaces I understand, but walking on the streets distanced is not a risk.
> >
> > Basically, people become cavalier in their behavior wearing masks and gloves.
> > The best way to avoid contact is social distancing and hand washing with REAL soap
> >
> > If the masks people are wearing are so ideal, I can guarantee you no one would be permitted to enter a hospital operating room wearing a homemade mask or one that has been used and reused.
> >
> > The sane approach is to tell people if they are sick to stay HOME!!!
> >
> > Healthy people caring for sick people need to protect themselves with a mask and gloves and dispose of those items in a RED PLASTIC BAG and dropped off at a hospital where they dispose of medical waste properly.
> >
> > I can’t tell you how many masks and gloves I’ve seen and photographed just thrown on the street.
> >
> > Here is the worst examples that explain why people are non compliant.
> > #1) Politicians walking around unprotected and caught playing golf (Obama)
> > #2) Prominent newscasters like Chris Cuomo parading around outside who HAVE the corona and who were still infectious....
> > 3) George Stephanopolous was also seen out and about when he was diagnosed with Corona.
> >
> > People are also beginning to question what is “essential” and what is not.
> > Contractors in my neighbor are back working again.
> > Liquor stores are all open.....
> >
> > Why is it ok for some people to expose themselves? If the virus is so dangerous, then NO ONE should be out except Hospital employees, police and firemen.
> >
> > People are doing your shopping for you when you shop online. Amazon employees are working round the clock stocking your homes with essentials and NON essentials.
> > I think it’s just too unclear and random.
> >
> > Where are the studies to prove that wearing masks and gloves are keeping people from getting ANY virus?
> > I’m not saying they don’t exist, it’s just that no one is publishing proof.
> >
> > Common sense has flown the coop.
> > I would never put anyone at risk that was in a high risk category.
> > But if not everyone is dying from Corona, then we need to revisit how we approach this.
> > Everyone is still on edge and I feel like it’s destructive. How can anyone ever get on a train airplane or a bus again? We live in a germ filled world.....And that’s what builds immunity.
> > If they want to enforce masks, then they need to prove it’s saving lives.
> >
> > Here’s what’s saving lives at this time.....
> > Better treatment for those that are sick enough when they get to the hospital.
> > Telling people to stay home who are sick.
> > Telling those who are high risk to be careful.....
> > Pounding it in to WASH HANDS with REAL SOAP and scrubber.
> > We will come out of this virus, but hopefully not at the cost of making people afraid to live their lives.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On May 5, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>
> >> Coronavirus: Why is there a US backlash to masks?
> >>
> >> 5 hours ago
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> >> Coronavirus pandemic
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> >>
> >> While US health experts continue to encourage mask use in public, and
> >> more parts of the country adopt this guidance, there has been pushback
> >> from some Americans about covering up. Why?
> >>
> >> Many protesters across the states have been pictured defying social
> >> distancing guidance without masks or face coverings. Online, the debate
> >> about mask effectiveness still plays out, with some claiming masks are
> >> not effective - or enforceable under US law.
> >>
> >> This is in marked contrast to other countries where populations have
> >> generally been compliant in wearing face coverings.
> >>
> >> The UK has yet to adopt the policy, pointing to WHO advice which says
> >> only health workers should wear them. But the London Underground advises
> >> passengers to cover their nose and mouth.
> >> So what does the resistance in the US look like?
> >>
> >> Ohio's Republican governor Mike DeWine - who has been praised for his
> >> early efforts to stem the spread - had to walk back an order requiring
> >> residents to wear masks in public as businesses reopened, calling the
> >> measure "a bridge too far".
> >>
> >> "People were not going to accept the government telling them what to
> >> do," he told ABC News on Sunday.
> >>
> >> There are similar stories across the nation, though many states and
> >> local governments have rules or guidance encouraging masks in public spaces.
> >>
> >> In Stillwater, Oklahoma, city officials had to rescind a mandatory mask
> >> order for local restaurants and businesses after employees were
> >> threatened and verbally abused by residents who refused to cover up.
> >>
> >> Why some countries wear face masks and others don't
> >>
> >> In Flint, Michigan, a security guard was shot and killed in an
> >> altercation that allegedly began over a customer's refusal to cover
> >> their face per the state governor's order.
> >>
> >> US store guard killed after mask row with customer
> >>
> >> Many New Yorkers were photographed in Central Park over the weekend
> >> enjoying the warm weather without proper nose and mouth coverings;
> >> similar scenarios have played out on Californian and Floridian beaches.
> >> What have political leaders said?
> >>
> >> On Monday, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said it was "disrespectful"
> >> for people to refuse to wear a mask in public. "You can literally kill
> >> someone because you did not want to wear a mask. How cruel and
> >> irresponsible would that be?"
> >>
> >> But the mixed messages have come from the very top.
> >>
> >> At the same time as the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) announced new
> >> guidance that Americans should cover their faces in public to curb
> >> Covid-19's spread, President Donald Trump said it was "voluntary" and he
> >> himself would not do so.
> >>
> >> Then Vice-President Mike Pence was pictured visiting a health clinic
> >> without wearing one - which he later apologised for.
> >> Media captionTrump doesn't see face mask necessary behind 'the great
> >> Resolute desk'
> >> Why do so many Americans seem to have an issue with them?
> >>
> >> Emory University Global Health and Law Professor Polly Price says the
> >> situation in America now mirrors what happened during the 1918 Spanish
> >> flu outbreak.
> >>
> >> At the time, the US Surgeon General advised everyone to make and wear
> >> their own mask - just as instructions are now on the Centers for Disease
> >> Control's website, guides were sent to newspapers.
> >>
> >> "It was up to state and local governments whether they were going to
> >> require their populations to do it - not all did," she says.
> >>
> >> Some cities levied fines for people not wearing them.
> >>
> >> "There were very few court challenges, but they generally upheld the
> >> authority of local governments to have face mask ordinances," Prof Price
> >> says.
> >>
> >> "We do have a long tradition of individual rights, so even during the
> >> Spanish flu people would sue about the schools [being] closed. Or
> >> restaurants and bars were closed and people would sue about that and
> >> they routinely lost."
> >>
> >> In the same way that protesters have argued the lockdowns infringe their
> >> rights, much of the anti-mask rhetoric seems to come from the same well
> >> - American resistance to government mandates.
> >>
> >> Why so much US resistance to the lockdown?
> >>
> >> But Prof Price says requiring masks during a health crisis is not
> >> fundamentally different from other safety regulations.
> >>
> >> "I think that governors have extensive power to order measures that
> >> protect the public health," she says.
> >>
> >> "As long as they can show that connection, just based on our
> >> constitutional tradition, that would be upheld. It'd be a different
> >> question if the penalty was a year in jail for not wearing a mask."
> >> Why was health advice unclear for so long?
> >>
> >> Guidelines have been confusing, says Professor James Thomas of
> >> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Epidemiology.
> >>
> >> One reason for that was, initially, masks needed to be prioritised for
> >> medical workers, he told the BBC. Another reason was our unfamiliarity
> >> with the virus itself.
> >>
> >> "Over time, we're learning more about it, how it's transmitted,
> >> situations in which it is not transmitted and we're adjusting our
> >> recommendations based on what we learn."
> >>
> >> Prof Thomas says the learning has been particularly slow with Covid-19
> >> because of a lack of testing. But we know now that the novel coronavirus
> >> travels through droplets, like a sneeze in close quarters, rather than
> >> lingering in the air for long periods of time.
> >>
> >> Why we should all be wearing masks
> >>
> >> This is how masks can help.
> >>
> >> Prof Thomas says in one case study in a Chinese hospital, around 70
> >> individuals ended up being near a patient who was later found to have
> >> the virus. But, because the patient and everyone in the hospital were
> >> wearing masks, no one else contracted it.
> >>
> >> But not every face covering is created equal.
> >>
> >> If you're making your own, using a thick fabric - something where, if
> >> you hold it up to a light, you can't see through it - is best
> >> --
> >> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> >> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> >> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> >> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
> >> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> >>
> >> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> >> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
> >>
> >> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> >> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
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Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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