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DATE 2004-10-12
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Web Browser wars




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International Herald Tribune.
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NEW YORK At the moment, at least eight different Web browsers reside in
my computer. There's no earthly reason to have so many except for the
slightly obsessive fun of it. And these are just the non-arcane browsers
- the ones that didn't ask me to install supporting programs I don't
understand. I've also resisted the temptation to build my own browser,
which is the kind of project computer magazines like to publish. I know
what my do-it-yourself browser would look like. The decals would be
crooked and the paint would have fingerprints on it, just like the model
airplanes I built as a kid.
.
The number and diversity of these browsers is, to me, a very hopeful
sign. Not that long ago, Microsoft and Netscape were fighting for
control of the computer desktop, a battle that still goes on in one form
or another. Microsoft argued that only a browser tightly integrated with
the rest of the operating system could deliver the seamless, gratifying
Web-browsing experience most people hope for.
.
But Microsoft was wrong. These days, nobody wants to have anything
tightly integrated with the Windows operating system, which has come to
seem surprisingly troublesome. Windows takes a lot of care and feeding,
more than most people want to give it. As for Internet Explorer, it has
grown into a problem in its own right. Software developers complain
about it. Ordinary users get sick of the pop-up fireworks. Even in
corporate America - which finds its allegiance to Microsoft routinely
tested - business users are being asked to switch from Explorer to the
Mozilla Foundation's Firefox for security reasons. What went wrong with
Internet Explorer is a big subject. But one answer, apart from the
mediocrity of the software itself, is that it sided with the commercial
purposes of the Internet and not with the user. Explorer works like one
of those magical doors in a horror movie: Open it and the ghosts come
flying in, swirling around your head, threatening to suck you into the
maw of chaos. But users want control. They want to believe they have the
power to explore the Web on their own terms. Explorer wants them to sit
still and shut up. A couple of years ago, I switched from Windows to
Apple. The switch was, in many ways, a revelation. Apple's browser,
Safari, seemed astonishingly polite, almost discreet, after the
imperious behavior of Explorer. Switching to Safari was also a reminder
of something that's obvious to computer geeks but not so obvious to
ordinary users. A browser is just a way of putting a friendly face on
code. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't have to become an
institution. It doesn't have to metastasize.
.
I stuck with Safari for a time, largely on the assumption - as endemic
in the Apple world as it is in Microsoft's - that somehow the browser
built by the maker of the underlying operating system must be better
than all the others. But switching from Windows to Apple prepared me to
keep on switching. It taught me that market share means nothing in terms
of quality. It made me wonder whether there was any inherent advantage
in a browser that happened to be the same brand as the computer that was
running it. The answer, it turns out, is no. These days, there is an
array of agile, interesting browsers. What's refreshing about these
programs is their diversity. The best are astonishingly nimble. They are
almost absurdly adaptable to the tastes and needs of the user. Most are
free, and many are open source. They have none of the monolith about
them, none of that feeling of being shackled to a leviathan.
.
For a time in the mid-'90s, it looked as though the Internet, or at
least the tools we used to view it, would be utterly co-opted by
Microsoft and its essentially mercantile vision of the Web. Microsoft
still has an enormous lead in market share when it comes to browsers.
But we've come, in the browser world, to that memorable moment we came
to long ago in the world of telephones: To get telephone service, you
don't need a phone manufactured by the phone company. Verlyn Klinkenborg
is a member of the New York Times editorial board.
NEW YORK At the moment, at least eight different Web browsers reside in
my computer. There's no earthly reason to have so many except for the
slightly obsessive fun of it. And these are just the non-arcane browsers
- the ones that didn't ask me to install supporting programs I don't
understand. I've also resisted the temptation to build my own browser,
which is the kind of project computer magazines like to publish. I know
what my do-it-yourself browser would look like. The decals would be
crooked and the paint would have fingerprints on it, just like the model
airplanes I built as a kid.
.
The number and diversity of these browsers is, to me, a very hopeful
sign. Not that long ago, Microsoft and Netscape were fighting for
control of the computer desktop, a battle that still goes on in one form
or another. Microsoft argued that only a browser tightly integrated with
the rest of the operating system could deliver the seamless, gratifying
Web-browsing experience most people hope for.
.
But Microsoft was wrong. These days, nobody wants to have anything
tightly integrated with the Windows operating system, which has come to
seem surprisingly troublesome. Windows takes a lot of care and feeding,
more than most people want to give it. As for Internet Explorer, it has
grown into a problem in its own right. Software developers complain
about it. Ordinary users get sick of the pop-up fireworks. Even in
corporate America - which finds its allegiance to Microsoft routinely
tested - business users are being asked to switch from Explorer to the
Mozilla Foundation's Firefox for security reasons. What went wrong with
Internet Explorer is a big subject. But one answer, apart from the
mediocrity of the software itself, is that it sided with the commercial
purposes of the Internet and not with the user. Explorer works like one
of those magical doors in a horror movie: Open it and the ghosts come
flying in, swirling around your head, threatening to suck you into the
maw of chaos. But users want control. They want to believe they have the
power to explore the Web on their own terms. Explorer wants them to sit
still and shut up. A couple of years ago, I switched from Windows to
Apple. The switch was, in many ways, a revelation. Apple's browser,
Safari, seemed astonishingly polite, almost discreet, after the
imperious behavior of Explorer. Switching to Safari was also a reminder
of something that's obvious to computer geeks but not so obvious to
ordinary users. A browser is just a way of putting a friendly face on
code. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't have to become an
institution. It doesn't have to metastasize.
.
I stuck with Safari for a time, largely on the assumption - as endemic
in the Apple world as it is in Microsoft's - that somehow the browser
built by the maker of the underlying operating system must be better
than all the others. But switching from Windows to Apple prepared me to
keep on switching. It taught me that market share means nothing in terms
of quality. It made me wonder whether there was any inherent advantage
in a browser that happened to be the same brand as the computer that was
running it. The answer, it turns out, is no. These days, there is an
array of agile, interesting browsers. What's refreshing about these
programs is their diversity. The best are astonishingly nimble. They are
almost absurdly adaptable to the tastes and needs of the user. Most are
free, and many are open source. They have none of the monolith about
them, none of that feeling of being shackled to a leviathan.
.
For a time in the mid-'90s, it looked as though the Internet, or at
least the tools we used to view it, would be utterly co-opted by
Microsoft and its essentially mercantile vision of the Web. Microsoft
still has an enormous lead in market share when it comes to browsers.
But we've come, in the browser world, to that memorable moment we came
to long ago in the world of telephones: To get telephone service, you
don't need a phone manufactured by the phone company. Verlyn Klinkenborg
is a member of the New York Times editorial board.
NEW YORK At the moment, at least eight different Web browsers reside in
my computer. There's no earthly reason to have so many except for the
slightly obsessive fun of it. And these are just the non-arcane browsers
- the ones that didn't ask me to install supporting programs I don't
understand. I've also resisted the temptation to build my own browser,
which is the kind of project computer magazines like to publish. I know
what my do-it-yourself browser would look like. The decals would be
crooked and the paint would have fingerprints on it, just like the model
airplanes I built as a kid.
.
The number and diversity of these browsers is, to me, a very hopeful
sign. Not that long ago, Microsoft and Netscape were fighting for
control of the computer desktop, a battle that still goes on in one form
or another. Microsoft argued that only a browser tightly integrated with
the rest of the operating system could deliver the seamless, gratifying
Web-browsing experience most people hope for.
.
But Microsoft was wrong. These days, nobody wants to have anything
tightly integrated with the Windows operating system, which has come to
seem surprisingly troublesome. Windows takes a lot of care and feeding,
more than most people want to give it. As for Internet Explorer, it has
grown into a problem in its own right. Software developers complain
about it. Ordinary users get sick of the pop-up fireworks. Even in
corporate America - which finds its allegiance to Microsoft routinely
tested - business users are being asked to switch from Explorer to the
Mozilla Foundation's Firefox for security reasons. What went wrong with
Internet Explorer is a big subject. But one answer, apart from the
mediocrity of the software itself, is that it sided with the commercial
purposes of the Internet and not with the user. Explorer works like one
of those magical doors in a horror movie: Open it and the ghosts come
flying in, swirling around your head, threatening to suck you into the
maw of chaos. But users want control. They want to believe they have the
power to explore the Web on their own terms. Explorer wants them to sit
still and shut up. A couple of years ago, I switched from Windows to
Apple. The switch was, in many ways, a revelation. Apple's browser,
Safari, seemed astonishingly polite, almost discreet, after the
imperious behavior of Explorer. Switching to Safari was also a reminder
of something that's obvious to computer geeks but not so obvious to
ordinary users. A browser is just a way of putting a friendly face on
code. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't have to become an
institution. It doesn't have to metastasize.
.
I stuck with Safari for a time, largely on the assumption - as endemic
in the Apple world as it is in Microsoft's - that somehow the browser
built by the maker of the underlying operating system must be better
than all the others. But switching from Windows to Apple prepared me to
keep on switching. It taught me that market share means nothing in terms
of quality. It made me wonder whether there was any inherent advantage
in a browser that happened to be the same brand as the computer that was
running it. The answer, it turns out, is no. These days, there is an
array of agile, interesting browsers. What's refreshing about these
programs is their diversity. The best are astonishingly nimble. They are
almost absurdly adaptable to the tastes and needs of the user. Most are
free, and many are open source. They have none of the monolith about
them, none of that feeling of being shackled to a leviathan.
.
For a time in the mid-'90s, it looked as though the Internet, or at
least the tools we used to view it, would be utterly co-opted by
Microsoft and its essentially mercantile vision of the Web. Microsoft
still has an enormous lead in market share when it comes to browsers.
But we've come, in the browser world, to that memorable moment we came
to long ago in the world of telephones: To get telephone service, you
don't need a phone manufactured by the phone company. Verlyn Klinkenborg
is a member of the New York Times editorial board.

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  1. 2004-10-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: Need a volunteer to help on installing LOTS of copies of Linu x
  2. 2004-10-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] What Else is Tucked Away in ROM?]
  3. 2004-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] What Else is Tucked Away in ROM?]
  4. 2004-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] What Else is Tucked Away in ROM?]
  5. 2004-10-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] What Else is Tucked Away in ROM?] (fwd)
  6. 2004-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] What Else is Tucked Away in ROM?]
  7. 2004-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] What Else is Tucked Away in ROM?]
  8. 2004-10-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] What Else is Tucked Away in ROM?] (fwd)
  9. 2004-10-03 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] What Else is Tucked Away in ROM?] (fwd)
  10. 2004-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] and insanity rules
  11. 2004-10-02 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] A blow for sanity
  12. 2004-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] What Else is Tucked Away in ROM?]
  13. 2004-10-02 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [Politics] What Else is Tucked Away in ROM?] (fwd)
  14. 2004-10-01 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Journal Meeting results and Plans
  15. 2004-10-01 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Journal Meeting results and Plans
  16. 2004-10-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Journal Meeting results and Plans
  17. 2004-10-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Journal Meeting results and Plans
  18. 2004-10-01 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New York Linux Scene (fwd)
  19. 2004-10-31 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] firefox in NYT
  20. 2004-10-31 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [hangout] Suse cd
  21. 2004-10-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse cd
  22. 2004-10-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse cd
  23. 2004-10-29 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Suse cd
  24. 2004-10-29 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse cd
  25. 2004-10-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  26. 2004-10-28 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  27. 2004-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse warns of hole in Linux kernel
  28. 2004-10-28 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  29. 2004-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  30. 2004-10-28 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] gnu/linux 1
  31. 2004-10-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC Job Op
  32. 2004-10-27 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] gnu/linux 1
  33. 2004-10-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] gnu/linux 1
  34. 2004-10-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux Advocacy in NYC
  35. 2004-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Dell To Offer SUSE on Servers
  36. 2004-10-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Dell To Offer SUSE on Servers
  37. 2004-10-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] gnu/linux 1
  38. 2004-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux Advocacy in NYC
  39. 2004-10-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] gnu/linux 1
  40. 2004-10-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft's Worst Nightmare
  41. 2004-10-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House for NYLXS
  42. 2004-10-25 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Wondering if...
  43. 2004-10-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell and Linux
  44. 2004-10-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ftallarico-at-novell.com: Re: Novell and Linux]
  45. 2004-10-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wondering if...
  46. 2004-10-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell SLES9 vs Microsoft Win2k3 in a Windows Network
  47. 2004-10-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse 9.2 Linux Online Sales Link
  48. 2004-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Software Freedom Day pics
  49. 2004-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Soviet Army fought UFOs
  50. 2004-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Raffle
  51. 2004-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Raffle
  52. 2004-10-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  53. 2004-10-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging Steve Milo
  54. 2004-10-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Raffle
  55. 2004-10-21 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Raffle
  56. 2004-10-21 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Subject: [hangout] Paging Steve Milo
  57. 2004-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  58. 2004-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  59. 2004-10-21 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  60. 2004-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  61. 2004-10-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  62. 2004-10-21 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  63. 2004-10-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  64. 2004-10-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] [ftallarico-at-novell.com: Novell and Linux]
  65. 2004-10-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: FW: Linux Advocacy in NYC
  66. 2004-10-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ftallarico-at-novell.com: Novell and Linux]
  67. 2004-10-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  68. 2004-10-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  69. 2004-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  70. 2004-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  71. 2004-10-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  72. 2004-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  73. 2004-10-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Storming the Microsoft Edifice
  74. 2004-10-17 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Subject: [hangout] paging Steve Milo
  75. 2004-10-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Nite move to Saturday Night
  76. 2004-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 2004 Annual Dues are Now Due
  77. 2004-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: [Announce-nycbug] NYC*BUG: Details on Kirk McKusick
  78. 2004-10-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  79. 2004-10-14 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  80. 2004-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  81. 2004-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  82. 2004-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting
  83. 2004-10-14 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> RE: [hangout] Meeting
  84. 2004-10-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  85. 2004-10-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  86. 2004-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  87. 2004-10-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  88. 2004-10-14 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Novell to launch Linux distribution
  89. 2004-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  90. 2004-10-14 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Flourishes in Texas
  91. 2004-10-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: FW: [hangout] Meeting
  92. 2004-10-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell to launch Linux distribution
  93. 2004-10-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Flourishes in Texas
  94. 2004-10-13 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: FW: [hangout] Meeting
  95. 2004-10-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Test Email
  96. 2004-10-12 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> RE: [hangout] Meeting
  97. 2004-10-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Meeting
  98. 2004-10-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> FW: [hangout] Meeting
  99. 2004-10-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruptio
  100. 2004-10-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bikini Sale!
  101. 2004-10-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Meeting
  102. 2004-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use and Free Software
  103. 2004-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bikini Sale!
  104. 2004-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Web Browser wars
  105. 2004-10-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [CFSG-forum] LXNY in need of public meeting
  106. 2004-10-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [CFSG-forum] LXNY in need of public meeting space for Thursday
  107. 2004-10-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Meeting
  108. 2004-10-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] The Real Sun versus Red Hat Story
  109. 2004-10-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome to be (possibly) dropped by Slackware
  110. 2004-10-10 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: Poor French - Let's keep it on topic
  111. 2004-10-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  112. 2004-10-10 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  113. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  114. 2004-10-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  115. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Star Treck of Brooklyn
  116. 2004-10-09 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  117. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RMS speaks
  118. 2004-10-09 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] RMS speaks
  119. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  120. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] You're invited to my event on October 24
  121. 2004-10-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] You're invited to my event on October 24
  122. 2004-10-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More and Iraq Sactions
  123. 2004-10-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  124. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More and Iraq Sactions
  125. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Afghanastan is ***VOTING TODAY****
  126. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  127. 2004-10-09 ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] You're invited to my event on October 24
  128. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Good Deal on FS laptop
  129. 2004-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Explain this please?
  130. 2004-10-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] European File Sharing
  131. 2004-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft prepares to kill Linux with different
  132. 2004-10-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IDG
  133. 2004-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IDG
  134. 2004-10-07 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] IDG
  135. 2004-10-07 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] IDG
  136. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Pasha Call me
  137. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IDG
  138. 2004-10-06 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Linux boxes at Brooklyn College computer lab.
  139. 2004-10-06 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] IDG
  140. 2004-10-06 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [Fwd: RE: [hangout] Meeting]
  141. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Spamassassin problems
  142. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [paul-at-vix.com: Re: emailsystems.com and greylisting]
  143. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [paul-at-vix.com: Re: emailsystems.com and greylisting]
  144. 2004-10-06 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux boxes at Brooklyn College computer lab.
  145. 2004-10-06 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [paul-at-vix.com: Re: emailsystems.com and greylisting]
  146. 2004-10-06 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Meeting
  147. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [paul-at-vix.com: Re: emailsystems.com and greylisting]
  148. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux boxes at Brooklyn College computer lab.
  149. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Tech Night
  150. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spamassasin really sucks
  151. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IDG
  152. 2004-10-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IDG
  153. 2004-10-06 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Meeting
  154. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting
  155. 2004-10-06 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Linux boxes at Brooklyn College computer lab.
  156. 2004-10-06 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] IDG
  157. 2004-10-06 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux boxes at Brooklyn College computer lab.
  158. 2004-10-06 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell's SuSE woos Linux 'newcomers'
  159. 2004-10-06 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Meeting
  160. 2004-10-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] IDG
  161. 2004-10-06 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft prepares to kill Linux with different Windows flavours
  162. 2004-10-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] IDG
  163. 2004-10-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] IDG
  164. 2004-10-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Funding Meeting
  165. 2004-10-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Connecting a plotter to a RH machine.
  166. 2004-10-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] MySQL Expertise being sought
  167. 2004-10-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Connecting a plotter to a RH machine.
  168. 2004-10-04 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] MySQL Expertise being sought
  169. 2004-10-04 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Re: [hangout] MySQL Expertise being sought
  170. 2004-10-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] MySQL Expertise being sought
  171. 2004-10-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] MySQL Expertise being sought
  172. 2004-10-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] MySQL Expertise being sought
  173. 2004-10-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report
  174. 2004-10-04 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] www.jesus.com
  175. 2004-10-04 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Massive victory for "copyfighters" at WIPO! (fwd)
  176. 2004-10-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] MySQL Expertise being sought
  177. 2004-10-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting Report

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