|FROM ||Adam Kosmin
|SUBJECT ||Re: [hangout] Linux boxes at Brooklyn College computer lab.
" I dont understand this at all. Who is volunteering here? Who do you think
Are didn't get the impression that you were being paid to perform this
" lacks the skills? Brooklyn College has some of the best programming students
Apparently, you are lacking the skills. I don't mean to offend you but
seriously, what competent sysadmin needs help installing the very OS
that they'll be supporting? I suggest you implement an ounce of humility
here and look at this from an outside point of view. For all I know, you
may have some serious programming skills (I have no idea). That doesn't
mean that you are automatically qualified to take on the role of a
" in the city if not the country. An opportunity for the students to sharpen
" their IT skills in a real world environment would prove exponentially
" beneficial to them and the faculty. Hiring a contractor whose only interest
" is to earn a buck would not bring the same benefits. What you suggest goes
Why would you make such assumptions regarding a contractor's motives?
" against the basics of Free Software and I am surprised you suggested something
" like this.
Free Software != Free Service
What I suggest is VERY MUCH in alignment with the intentions of the Free
Software movement because my approach is the logical course of take when
trying to build something sustainable.
" The impression I get from this reply says that you feel that absolutely no one
" who is not certified should touch a computer. To me that strikes of a
" proprietary software model environment.
Touching a computer and building computers that others will depend on
are two different things.
" Where does beer even come into the picture?
Steve, you've come a long way over the past year but you're not "there"
yet. Keep listening, keep reading, keep asking questions. Confusion is
actually a good thing. It means that the brain is busy processing
information. In your case, you just need more time (I hope).
" Steve M
" On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:41:13 -0400, Adam Kosmin wrote
" > I don't understand this at all. If the school is serious, why haven't
" > they hired someone who has the skills needed to get the job done? An
" > unskilled volunteer creates two harmful impressions:
" > 1. Free Software labor is cheap and in most cases, free (as in beer).
" > 2. Free Software is not ready because the unskilled volunteer
" > couldn't get the job done.
" > Adam
" > "
" > " Gentlemen, I am forging ahead without Rob's assistance on this.
" > "
" > " I have been given the opportunity to install Suse 9.1 on a row of machines
" > " here. I will do it how I see fit and evolve from there. Monday I
" > am sitting " down with two of the managers and will be basing my
" > documentation on the " questions and concerns they voice. " Should
" > Rob or anyone else be able to set aside time to help I will listen.
" > " Till then. " " " Onward, " Steve M " " PS. Is Dave Poleshuck
" > within earshot of this mailing list? " PS2. Hello " " 'Bye bye' --Touci
" > "
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