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Microsoft prepares to kill Linux with different Windows flavours
Role-based variations of the operating system will be cheaper and more
secure.

By James Niccolai, IDG News Service






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Microsoft is developing versions of Windows with only a subset of its code
base, designed for specific server tasks. The intention is to reduce
maintenance costs and create products that are less vulnerable to attack,
and so tackle head-on the threat posed by Linux.


The new "role-based" products may appear in 2007, when the server version of
Longhorn is scheduled for release. Offering a smaller code base would mark a
significant technical shift for Microsoft and could help address the
competitive threat posed by Linux. But it also presents significant
engineering challenges for the company, industry analysts said.


Microsoft already sells two role-based versions of Windows - one for storage
and one for Web serving. They essentially conceal from users the parts of
Windows that are not needed for the task at hand, making them easier to
install and use. But those products still are based on the entire Windows
code base.


With its Longhorn release, Microsoft hopes to offer role-based versions of
Windows for tasks such as storage, file, or print serving that include only
a part of the overall Windows code, said Martin Taylor, Microsoft general
manager for platform strategy. "Today, it's still the entire code base.
There's no reduction in the bits you get - things are just roped off,"
Taylor said. "We want to get to a model of role-based deployment where you
might just have the bits you need for that function. It's one of our design
goals for Longhorn."


Many enterprises separate tasks such as e-mail and Web hosting, assigning
them to individual servers or groups of servers. Microsoft would continue to
sell the full version of Windows for use as a general purpose operating
system, but could offer the role-based products for servers assigned to
particular tasks, he said.


Such a move could benefit customers in two primary ways: better security and
lower maintenance costs, said Michael Cherry, lead analyst at Directions on
Microsoft. Reducing the amount of code on a server would reduce the "attack
surface area," Cherry said, meaning hackers would have less code to aim at
with their viruses. A virus last month that targeted a component for viewing
jpeg image files affected Windows Server 2003, he noted, even though
customers managing their servers remotely don't need that component on their
servers.


Having less code should also mean lower maintenance costs, in part because
customers will not have to apply patches to the parts of Windows that do not
exist on their servers. "If you have a server whose role is definable and
distinct, and you only load enough code to carry out that role, then it's
got to bring the total cost of ownership down," Cherry said.


A Microsoft spokeswoman confirmed that the goals of providing a smaller
Windows "footprint" are to cut maintenance costs and provide a "reduced
surface attack area".


Taylor didn't say whether the role-based server editions would be cheaper
than the full versions of Windows. The role-based products it sells today -
Windows Storage Server 2003 and Windows Server 2003 Web Edition - are
cheaper than the full versions of Windows Server 2003, although usage
restrictions apply.


Removing parts of Windows presents engineering challenges. For starters,
Microsoft must ensure that ISVs can continue to write applications without
worrying about which components are available to them, Taylor said. "The
nice thing about Windows today is that Windows is Windows," he said.


Microsoft is also keen not to limit the software's management capabilities.
For example, the current Web Edition of Windows cannot serve as a domain
controller, which means it can't be used to manage group policies, Internet
authentication services and other tasks. "You have trade-offs in cost and
trade-offs in manageability, so it's a fine balance," Taylor said. He did
not provide an exact timetable for the products, but said development work
is "pretty far down the path."


The proposed changes to Windows come as Microsoft faces perhaps its toughest
challenger yet in the form of Linux. The open source operating system has
been growing among governments and businesses, in part because some view it
as a cheaper and more secure alternative.


One advantage of the Linux source code being publically available is that
customers can take the kernel apart and use only the components they want.






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  67. 2004-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Explain this please?
  68. 2004-10-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More and Iraq Sactions
  69. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  70. 2004-10-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  71. 2004-10-09 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  72. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  73. 2004-10-09 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  74. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RMS speaks
  75. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] You're invited to my event on October 24
  76. 2004-10-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] You're invited to my event on October 24
  77. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Afghanastan is ***VOTING TODAY****
  78. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Good Deal on FS laptop
  79. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More and Iraq Sactions
  80. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  81. 2004-10-09 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] RMS speaks
  82. 2004-10-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Star Treck of Brooklyn
  83. 2004-10-09 ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] You're invited to my event on October 24
  84. 2004-10-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  85. 2004-10-10 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruption
  86. 2004-10-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Gnome to be (possibly) dropped by Slackware
  87. 2004-10-10 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: Poor French - Let's keep it on topic
  88. 2004-10-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] The Real Sun versus Red Hat Story
  89. 2004-10-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Meeting
  90. 2004-10-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [CFSG-forum] LXNY in need of public meeting
  91. 2004-10-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [CFSG-forum] LXNY in need of public meeting space for Thursday
  92. 2004-10-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> FW: [hangout] Meeting
  93. 2004-10-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bikini Sale!
  94. 2004-10-12 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> RE: [hangout] Meeting
  95. 2004-10-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Meeting
  96. 2004-10-12 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Meeting
  97. 2004-10-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Poor French are upset we discovered their corruptio
  98. 2004-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bikini Sale!
  99. 2004-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use and Free Software
  100. 2004-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Web Browser wars
  101. 2004-10-13 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: FW: [hangout] Meeting
  102. 2004-10-13 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: FW: [hangout] Meeting
  103. 2004-10-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Flourishes in Texas
  104. 2004-10-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell to launch Linux distribution
  105. 2004-10-13 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Test Email
  106. 2004-10-14 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Flourishes in Texas
  107. 2004-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting
  108. 2004-10-14 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> RE: [hangout] Meeting
  109. 2004-10-14 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Re: [hangout] Novell to launch Linux distribution
  110. 2004-10-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  111. 2004-10-14 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  112. 2004-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  113. 2004-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  114. 2004-10-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  115. 2004-10-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  116. 2004-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  117. 2004-10-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  118. 2004-10-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Three victories
  119. 2004-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 2004 Annual Dues are Now Due
  120. 2004-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] FW: [Announce-nycbug] NYC*BUG: Details on Kirk McKusick
  121. 2004-10-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tech Nite move to Saturday Night
  122. 2004-10-17 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Subject: [hangout] paging Steve Milo
  123. 2004-10-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  124. 2004-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  125. 2004-10-18 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  126. 2004-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs
  127. 2004-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  128. 2004-10-18 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Storming the Microsoft Edifice
  129. 2004-10-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  130. 2004-10-19 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] [ftallarico-at-novell.com: Novell and Linux]
  131. 2004-10-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: FW: Linux Advocacy in NYC
  132. 2004-10-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ftallarico-at-novell.com: Novell and Linux]
  133. 2004-10-20 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] So you want to be a dentist!
  134. 2004-10-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  135. 2004-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  136. 2004-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  137. 2004-10-21 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  138. 2004-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  139. 2004-10-21 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  140. 2004-10-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging Steve Milo
  141. 2004-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Raffle
  142. 2004-10-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Raffle
  143. 2004-10-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Raffle
  144. 2004-10-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] /usr/sbin/
  145. 2004-10-21 From: "P.Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord-hs.org> Subject: [hangout] Paging Steve Milo
  146. 2004-10-21 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Raffle
  147. 2004-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Soviet Army fought UFOs
  148. 2004-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Software Freedom Day pics
  149. 2004-10-25 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Wondering if...
  150. 2004-10-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell and Linux
  151. 2004-10-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell SLES9 vs Microsoft Win2k3 in a Windows Network
  152. 2004-10-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Open House for NYLXS
  153. 2004-10-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse 9.2 Linux Online Sales Link
  154. 2004-10-25 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Wondering if...
  155. 2004-10-25 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ftallarico-at-novell.com: Re: Novell and Linux]
  156. 2004-10-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft's Worst Nightmare
  157. 2004-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Dell To Offer SUSE on Servers
  158. 2004-10-27 Bob Butcher <rwbutcher-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] gnu/linux 1
  159. 2004-10-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] gnu/linux 1
  160. 2004-10-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] gnu/linux 1
  161. 2004-10-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Dell To Offer SUSE on Servers
  162. 2004-10-27 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] gnu/linux 1
  163. 2004-10-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYC Job Op
  164. 2004-10-27 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux Advocacy in NYC
  165. 2004-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linux Advocacy in NYC
  166. 2004-10-28 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] gnu/linux 1
  167. 2004-10-28 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  168. 2004-10-28 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  169. 2004-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  170. 2004-10-28 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Rob M and Even I.
  171. 2004-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse warns of hole in Linux kernel
  172. 2004-10-29 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse cd
  173. 2004-10-29 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Suse cd
  174. 2004-10-29 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse cd
  175. 2004-10-30 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Suse cd
  176. 2004-10-31 From: "rc" <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> RE: [hangout] Suse cd
  177. 2004-10-31 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] firefox in NYT

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