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I just saw this on line others may want to read it.

http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2001/12/21/lessig.html

Lessig: The Future of Ideas

by Richard Koman
12/21/2001

"We move through this moment of architecture of innovation to, once
again, embrace an architecture of control - without noticing,
without resistance, without so much as a question. Those threatened
by this technology of freedom have learned how to turn the
technology off. The switch is now being thrown. We are doing
nothing about it."

--Lawrence Lessig, The Future of Ideas

I have a tape somewhere of an interview with Jerry Garcia in which he
talks about taking LSD in those government-sponsored tests. He says:
"I thought it was really unfortunate that they made LSD illegal, but
there was like a year there where they didn't know and it wasn't
illegal, and it was, like, wow, that was a really good year."

That's a sentiment that pretty much covers the Napster phenomenon. For
a while there, there was a whole lot of music available on the Net -
for free. What you did with it was entirely up to you. Some people
used it as a sort of radio request line ("Hmm, I feel like hearing
some Van Morrison"), some used it to seek out new music ("I've been
hearing about Jewel; let's hear her stuff. Cool, I think I'll get the
CD"), and some used it as a free CD-printing factory ("A fast
connection and a CD burner - I'll never spend another buck on music
again.") Whatever you wanted was pretty much there, no matter how
obscure. And as the Recording Industry Association of America started
gearing up their attacks on Napster (and MP3.com), it became clear
that the jig might be coming to an end. The realization dawned: "wow,
that was a really good year."

Soon, the inevitable happened. "Shut down this monster," said federal
judge Marilyn Hall Patel. "But the genie is out of the bottle," we
said. A hundred other sources will sprout up; with the record
companies releasing music in digital form, and a good compression
format like MP3, there isn't any way it won't get out there. The
labels are dinosaurs, sure to be eclipsed by the fast-moving
innovation of the Internet.

We must have been on acid. Now, at the end of a really bad year (in so
many ways), it seems clear the genie can and is being stuffed back in
the bottle. Napster is offline; the RIAA and Motion Picture
Association of America have moved on to sue MusicCity, Grokster, and
others; and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act is standing up in
court.

This battle, which now seems to be over, is about much more than
music, says Lawrence Lessig, Stanford law professor and author of Code
and Other Laws of Cyberspace, in his new book, The Future of Ideas.
Here was a moment, says Lessig, when the power of networks was just
coalescing into something really profound. With millions of
individuals (as well as businesses and universities) connected to the
Internet, powerful PCs, fast bandwidth, and peer-to-peer software that
let people communicate and share with each other, the times were ripe
for a real breakthrough in our ability to communicate, collaborate,
and participate, not just in fandom, but in making art, creating
software, guiding government, forming new social organizations, and so
on.

Time of Retribution

Among Lessig's most pessimistic predictions are that the people
who created systems of shared communication, and those that would
benefit most from it, are doing little to defend what they've built.
What can be done in the face of Hollywood's powerful lobby?


Against all that newness, says Lessig, what we are seeing in the case
of Napster, and countless other cases, is nothing less than the
retribution of the old (at one point, he compares these forces to the
Soviets) against the new. The Future of Ideas is the story of that
retribution, and a plea for action. "Those who would prosper under the
new regime have not risen to defend it against the old; whether they
will is the question this book asks. The answer so far is clear: They
will not," he writes.

Early in the book, Lessig considers Apple's advertising slogan "Rip,
mix, burn. After all, it's your music." (I don't think they're using
that one anymore.) He makes this point:

To the lawyers who prosecute the laws of copyright, the very idea
that the music on "your" CD is "your music" is absurd [T]his music
is not yours. You have no "right" to rip it, or to mix it, or
especially to burn it. You may have, the lawyers will insist,
permission to do these things. But don't confuse Hollywood's grace
with your rights. These parts of our culture, these lawyers will
tell you, are the property of the few. The law of copyright makes
them so, even though the law of copyright was never meant to create
any such power.

Earlier this month, the RealOne Music service went online, offering
hundreds of thousands of songs from AOL Time Warner's catalog. For $10
a month, you get 100 downloads and 100 streams per month. There is,
however, no copying of downloads to portable MP3 players, thanks to
digital rights management software.

Here is the old guard's one-two punch. Use the courts to remove
competition coming from the users themselves. Use code to protect
against copying. Law plus code. But there is a backup punch, the
Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and it is a hammer. The DMCA's
anti-circumvention clause makes it a crime to try to crack digital
rights management software. Law plus code plus law. Thus the industry
is making certain rules:
* You may not trade music among yourselves.
* You may download music from us with the restrictions we set in
place.
* We will enforce those restrictions with code.
* It is a crime to break that code.

In Lessig's view, this is a massive expansion of copyright protection,
a change that shifts the entire purpose of copyright from supporting
creativity to granting total and absolute property rights not to
artists but to middlemen.

Offline, copyright has been expanding at a steady clip. The length of
copyright has lengthened from 14 years to the life of the author plus
70 years. But online, intellectual property owners have been expanding
the scope of the law in lots of ways, eroding fair use and prosecuting
what were formerly considered non-infringing uses.

Non-infringing Uses

If you're a fan of the Simpsons and you hang up pictures of Bart and
Lisa in your room, that's effectively a non-infringing use of those
images. No one knows or cares what pictures you hang in your room. But
if you put Bart on your home page - even though, as Lessig argues,
fewer than 100 people may ever see that page - you may well get a
letter from Fox's lawyers, because now you're a publisher, now you're
stealing copyright images. And while no one will go pulling posters
down from teenagers' closet doors, Fox can easily deploy bots to look
for Simpson images and alert the lawyers; use that was formerly no
one's business is now a matter for the lawyers. "As activity that
would be permitted in real space moves to cyberspace, control over
that activity has increased."

"The use that you thought was non-infringing becomes infringing when
code enables them to check."

If you can copy a CD onto cassette, why can't you make a digital copy
of it? (It is, after all, digital already.) And if you can make a
digital copy on your computer, why can't you put your copies on a
server, where you can get to it whenever you want? That was MP3.com's
thinking when they created MyMP3.com. They copied thousands of CDs and
created a service where you could listen to your own CDs online, once
you proved you actually owned the CD by inserting it in your PC to
register it. Copying thousands of CDs for a Web-based service? Bad
idea. Building a business built on someone else's intellectual
property? Really bad idea. The RIAA sued, received a $110 million
judgment, and MP3.com is now owned by Vivendi Universal.

So you have no Napster and you have no MyMP3.com, and you quietly copy
your own CDs to your hard drive. No one can complain about that, can
they? But: "Unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable
laws," as it says on the packaging. If, say, the next version of
Windows checked for unauthorized copies of CDs on your hard drive,
what would you say when they hauled you into court? Fair use? Remember
what the Hollywood lawyers say, according to Lessig: Buying a CD gives
you a license to do certain things with it. Those rights may or may
not include ripping it to your hard disk. The use that you thought was
non-infringing becomes infringing when code enables them to check,
just like the bots that look for pictures of Bart and Lisa on home
pages.

Fair Use and the DMCA

The DMCA's anti-circumvention provisions make it a crime to distribute
code that "circumvents" (cracks) any encryption technology designed to
protect copyright material. Most famously, the MPAA used this
provision to block distribution of DeCSS, software that cracks the DVD
scrambling software. You can't play a DVD unless your machine knows
how to decode the scrambled content. Since Linux machines aren't
licensed to play DVDs, Linux users couldn't play DVDs. And Linux users
hate it when they can't do something. The result was DeCSS, a program
that let you play DVDs on machines that weren't licensed (that is,
whose manufacturers hadn't paid MPAA a fee.) According to Lessig, CSS
didn't prevent copying of discs, so DeCSS didn't result in increased
piracy, just in the ability of Linux users to play DVDs.

So the question is raised: since copyright law allows for fair use,
then isn't cracking the code that prevents the fair use - the ability
to play a legally purchased DVD on a computer of one's choosing -
protected? Shouldn't the courts allow distribution of this code under
the fair use doctrine? Lessig's position is that "if copyright law
must protect fair use Then laws protecting code protecting copyright
material should also leave room for fair use."

The courts are not impressed with this line of reasoning, however; in
the original case, the court ruled that DMCA is law that regulates
code, not copyright. That decision was upheld on appeal, the justices
firmly rejecting arguments that DeCSS should be allowed on fair use or
First Amendment grounds. The case could go to the Supreme Court. It
should be clear by this point, however, that the DMCA stands, and that
unlicensed use of copyright material, as well as attempts to
circumvent encryption schemes on DVDs or any other media, are illegal
and will be vigorously prosecuted. No one should expect the high court
to overturn DMCA.

Perhaps a purer test of the DMCA's anticircumvention provisions is the
federal case against Dmitri Sklyarov, the Russian programmer who wrote
the "Advanced Ebook Processor," a program that allows users to disable
the copy-protection software on Adobe's Ebook Reader. This is a direct
violation of the non-circumvention clause of the law. After arresting
Sklyarov and then requiring him to stay in northern California, the
feds have dropped the charges against the programmer in exchange for
his testimony against his employer, Moscow-based Elcomsoft. As a
corporation, Elcomsoft faces only penalties, not jail time for its
principals. The court case is expected to be tried in early summer of
2002.

What is Lost?

Lessig's dark vision is that the "commons of innovation" is coming to
an end, replaced with a brave new world that looks suspiciously like
the old one, with copyright protections expanded to the point of
absurdity, fair use effectively done away with, and patents blocking
the development of new ideas.

Napster is dead. You can't watch DVDs on a Linux machine. You can't
listen to your own CDs from a server. You can pay the record labels to
download music from their services, but you can't listen to the
product you bought on a certain device capable of playing it. Your
cable company can dictate how you can use the Internet, and it can
limit uses like streaming video that compete with its own monopoly
business. To all of the sad stories Lessig tells in The Future of
Ideas, add the Bush Administration's battering down of privacy and
civil liberties on the Internet and in the real world in the campaign
against terrorism at home.

The "really good years" of the counterculture ended not with a whimper
but with the bang of National Guard rifles at Kent State. While it
seems absurd to compare the death of Napster to the death of the Ohio
protesters, there is a sense that a clampdown has occurred. In the
1970s, it was the government that clamped down. In the 2000s (what do
we call this decade?) it's Hollywood. That seems fitting.

But even though the counterculture was buried and the radicals got
jobs on Madison Avenue, the impact of the 1960s continues to affect
American art, culture, and politics 40 years later. Similarly, the
great insights of the early Net, as well as the creative breakthroughs
of the Napster era, will continue to affect the Internet and world
culture for years to come. These ideas will continue to shake the
world, but more quietly now.


The revolution will not be televised but it is being streamed in your
choice of 56K or 300K streams, in either Real or Microsoft formats.
Just read the user license agreement and click "I Agree."

Richard Koman is a freelance writer and the editor of several O'Reilly
titles on Web design and javascript.

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  64. 2001-12-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Public Relations Committee Introduction
  65. 2001-12-28 Joseph F Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Install Feast
  66. 2001-12-28 Joseph F Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Install Feast
  67. 2001-12-28 Joseph F Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Public Relations Committee Introduction
  68. 2001-12-28 Joseph F Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Public Relations Committee Introduction
  69. 2001-12-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Laptops, Internet and Cell Phones
  70. 2001-12-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Laptops, Internet and Cell Phones
  71. 2001-12-28 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Laptops, Internet and Cell Phones
  72. 2001-12-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Laptops, Internet and Cell Phones
  73. 2001-12-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Laptops, Internet and Cell Phones
  74. 2001-12-28 Vagn Scott <vagn-at-ranok.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  75. 2001-12-28 Vagn Scott <vagn-at-ranok.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  76. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  77. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Laptops, Internet and Cell Phones
  78. 2001-12-27 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Laptops, Internet and Cell Phones
  79. 2001-12-27 nylxsmlr-at-mycouponmagic.com Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL
  80. 2001-12-27 nylxsmlr-at-mycouponmagic.com Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL
  81. 2001-12-27 Vagn Scott <vagn-at-ranok.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  82. 2001-12-27 Kevin Mark <kmark-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Laptops, Internet and Cell Phones
  83. 2001-12-27 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Laptops, Internet and Cell Phones
  84. 2001-12-27 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Laptops, Internet and Cell Phones
  85. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Apache log with a google entry?
  86. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Apache log with a google entry?
  87. 2001-12-27 From: "Alan Wiess" <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  88. 2001-12-27 From: "Alan Wiess" <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  89. 2001-12-27 From: "Alan Wiess" <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Re: [hangout] Apache log with a google entry?
  90. 2001-12-27 From: "Alan Wiess" <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Re: [hangout] Apache log with a google entry?
  91. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Install Feast
  92. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Install Feast
  93. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ANNOUNCEMNT:: GTK Programming Workshop
  94. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ANNOUNCEMNT:: GTK Programming Workshop
  95. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Announcement: BLS Advanced Perl Class
  96. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Announcement: BLS Advanced Perl Class
  97. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IBM [thalakan-at-lightconsulting.com]
  98. 2001-12-27 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In Rewritten Internet Fables, the Late Bird Gets the Worm
  99. 2001-12-27 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] In Rewritten Internet Fables, the Late Bird Gets the Worm
  100. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introducing myself
  101. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Introducing myself
  102. 2001-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Apache log with a google entry?
  103. 2001-12-27 nylxsmlr-at-mycouponmagic.com Subject: [hangout] Introducing myself
  104. 2001-12-27 nylxsmlr-at-mycouponmagic.com Subject: [hangout] Introducing myself
  105. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Re: [wwwac] Hypercapitalism (was: DVD region codes Ti Powerbook Digi)
  106. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Re: [wwwac] Hypercapitalism (was: DVD region codes Ti Powerbook Digi)
  107. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  108. 2001-12-26 David Katz <omnimath-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  109. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Re: DVD region codes Ti Powerbook - End of the Digial Revolution
  110. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Re: DVD region codes Ti Powerbook - End of the Digial Revolution
  111. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DVD region codes Ti Powerbook - End of the Digial Revolution
  112. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DVD region codes Ti Powerbook - End of the Digial Revolution
  113. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I guess I'll just accept life as a criminal
  114. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] I guess I'll just accept life as a criminal
  115. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Teaching Stipents
  116. 2001-12-26 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  117. 2001-12-26 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  118. 2001-12-26 Vagn Scott <vagn-at-ranok.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  119. 2001-12-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  120. 2001-12-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  121. 2001-12-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Evolution
  122. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Committee Intros
  123. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Committee Intros
  124. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] DVD region codes Ti Powerbook
  125. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] DVD region codes Ti Powerbook
  126. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Evolution
  127. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Evolution
  128. 2001-12-26 From: "Brendan W. McAdams" <rit-at-jacked-in.org> Re: [hangout] Evolution
  129. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Youngen One's - Lock them all up
  130. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Youngen One's - Lock them all up
  131. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lock up all the youngen ones now
  132. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Lock up all the youngen ones now
  133. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lock up all the youngen ones now
  134. 2001-12-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lock up all the youngen ones now
  135. 2001-12-25 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Advisory Watch - December 21st 2001
  136. 2001-12-25 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More SSH vurnability - Exploitation of vulnerability in SSH1 CRC-32
  137. 2001-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:
  138. 2001-12-25 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: glibc/shlibs,
  139. 2001-12-24 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] review of lessing book
  140. 2001-12-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] NY TIMES site
  141. 2001-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY TIMES site
  142. 2001-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: preview
  143. 2001-12-23 user01-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: [hangout] Re: preview
  144. 2001-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A Cd's Natural Price is $2.00
  145. 2001-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: preview
  146. 2001-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYLXS.ORG [ron-at-vnetworx.net]
  147. 2001-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYLXS.ORG [ron-at-vnetworx.net]
  148. 2001-12-22 From: "Brendan W. McAdams" <rit-at-jacked-in.org> Re: [hangout] Re: preview
  149. 2001-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Another Introduction: Schoolforge & NYLXS Educational Committee [william-at-inch.com]
  150. 2001-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Another Introduction: Schoolforge & NYLXS Educational Committee [william-at-inch.com]
  151. 2001-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] This is soooo cool
  152. 2001-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: preview
  153. 2001-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A Cd's Natural Price is $2.00
  154. 2001-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A Cd's Natural Price is $2.00
  155. 2001-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A Cd's Natural Price is $2.00
  156. 2001-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A Cd's Natural Price is $2.00
  157. 2001-12-22 mystor <user01-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Fonts for Linux by the 20 score
  158. 2001-12-22 mystor <user01-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Fonts for Linux by the 20 score
  159. 2001-12-22 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] review of lessing book
  160. 2001-12-22 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] review of lessing book
  161. 2001-12-22 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] A Cd's Natural Price is $2.00
  162. 2001-12-22 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] A Cd's Natural Price is $2.00
  163. 2001-12-22 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] A Cd's Natural Price is $2.00
  164. 2001-12-21 mystor <user01-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] A Cd's Natural Price is $2.00
  165. 2001-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] rsync problem
  166. 2001-12-21 From: "Alan Wiess" <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Re: [hangout] rsync problem
  167. 2001-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Patents
  168. 2001-12-21 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] request for confirm
  169. 2001-12-21 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] request for confirm
  170. 2001-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] ANNOUNCEMENT: InService on Secure Web Transactions
  171. 2001-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fine Tuning Window Display in X
  172. 2001-12-19 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] what do you think of this?
  173. 2001-12-19 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Fine Tuning Window Display in X
  174. 2001-12-19 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] what do you think of this?
  175. 2001-12-19 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] what do you think of this?
  176. 2001-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [fairuse-discuss] To amuse you [thelwell-at-mindspring.com]
  177. 2001-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [fairuse-discuss] To amuse you [thelwell-at-mindspring.com]
  178. 2001-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] easy way to delete specific type of files on disk
  179. 2001-12-19 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] clean up the projects...
  180. 2001-12-19 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Subject: [hangout] clean up the projects...
  181. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: LinuxWorld New York 2002 [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com]
  182. 2001-12-18 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] DMCA'd CD Recordings
  183. 2001-12-18 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] DMCA'd CD Recordings
  184. 2001-12-18 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] VPN's threatened by Cable companies
  185. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] VPN's threatened by Cable companies
  186. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] VPN's threatened by Cable companies
  187. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse-discuss] DMCA'd CD Recordings
  188. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse-discuss] DMCA'd CD Recordings
  189. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA'd CD Recordings
  190. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA'd CD Recordings
  191. 2001-12-18 Vagn Scott <vagn-at-ranok.com> Re: [hangout] rsync problem
  192. 2001-12-18 Vagn Scott <vagn-at-ranok.com> Re: [hangout] rsync problem
  193. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] rsync problem
  194. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Perl Class - Thanks for the good times
  195. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Perl Class - Thanks for the good times
  196. 2001-12-18 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] rsync problem
  197. 2001-12-18 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] rsync problem
  198. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] VPN's threatened by Cable companies
  199. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] VPN's threatened by Cable companies
  200. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] VPN's threatened by Cable companies
  201. 2001-12-18 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Fine Tuning Window Display in X
  202. 2001-12-18 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Fine Tuning Window Display in X
  203. 2001-12-18 From: "Michael M. L. Broggy" <mbroggy-at-xooyooz.com> Re: [hangout] rsync problem
  204. 2001-12-18 From: "Michael M. L. Broggy" <mbroggy-at-xooyooz.com> Re: [hangout] rsync problem
  205. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lobby NOW - Congress Open For Business
  206. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lobby NOW - Congress Open For Business
  207. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Committee Workshop
  208. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Committee Workshop
  209. 2001-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] rsync problem
  210. 2001-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Sys Admin Mag
  211. 2001-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use meeting with Congressman Weiner
  212. 2001-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use meeting with Congressman Weiner
  213. 2001-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  214. 2001-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  215. 2001-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Now Cross P2P platform
  216. 2001-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Now Cross P2P platform
  217. 2001-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  218. 2001-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  219. 2001-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] suggest couse learning Linux or Unix
  220. 2001-12-10 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  221. 2001-12-10 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  222. 2001-12-10 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  223. 2001-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Tulip drivers
  224. 2001-12-10 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Tulip drivers
  225. 2001-12-10 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Tulip drivers
  226. 2001-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  227. 2001-12-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  228. 2001-12-09 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYC targeted for a Nuke
  229. 2001-12-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] NYC targeted for a Nuke
  230. 2001-12-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  231. 2001-12-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  232. 2001-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  233. 2001-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] glimmer
  234. 2001-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux World Expo
  235. 2001-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Oh Please... is everyone just dumb as a rock
  236. 2001-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux World Expo
  237. 2001-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Job Searching
  238. 2001-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Job Searching
  239. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh Please... is everyone just dumb as a rock
  240. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Oh Please... is everyone just dumb as a rock
  241. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux World Expo
  242. 2001-12-08 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Linux World Expo
  243. 2001-12-08 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Stallman re: Information Producers Initiative
  244. 2001-12-08 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Linux World Expo
  245. 2001-12-08 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [comp.mail.sendmail] Re: Sendmail via LInuxconf
  246. 2001-12-08 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [comp.mail.sendmail] Re: Sendmail via LInuxconf
  247. 2001-12-08 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [comp.mail.sendmail] Re: Sendmail via LInuxconf
  248. 2001-12-08 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  249. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Stallman re: Information Producers Initiative
  250. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Stallman re: Information Producers Initiative
  251. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  252. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  253. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  254. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux World Expo
  255. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Linksys Module Compile
  256. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Linksys Module Compile
  257. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: nylxs bylaws
  258. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sendmail
  259. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux World Expo
  260. 2001-12-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  261. 2001-12-08 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  262. 2001-12-08 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Stallman re: Information Producers Initiative
  263. 2001-12-08 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Stallman re: Information Producers Initiative
  264. 2001-12-08 Jon Britton <jon-at-corporatelords.org> Re: [hangout] Stallman re: Information Producers Initiative
  265. 2001-12-08 Jon Britton <jon-at-corporatelords.org> Re: [hangout] Stallman re: Information Producers Initiative
  266. 2001-12-08 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  267. 2001-12-08 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  268. 2001-12-08 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  269. 2001-12-08 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  270. 2001-12-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Linux World Expo
  271. 2001-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  272. 2001-12-07 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  273. 2001-12-07 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Committee or Good Project
  274. 2001-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Attention LDP authors and would-be authors...
  275. 2001-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Attention LDP authors and would-be authors...
  276. 2001-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Stallman re: Information Producers Initiative
  277. 2001-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Stallman re: Information Producers Initiative
  278. 2001-12-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Attention LDP authors and would-be authors...
  279. 2001-12-07 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] dhcp renewal
  280. 2001-12-07 Brian Seitz <bds215-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Linksys Module Compile
  281. 2001-12-07 Brian Seitz <bds215-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Linksys Module Compile
  282. 2001-12-07 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: nylxs bylaws
  283. 2001-12-07 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: nylxs bylaws
  284. 2001-12-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: nylxs bylaws
  285. 2001-12-07 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] dhcp renewal
  286. 2001-12-07 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] dhcp renewal
  287. 2001-12-07 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Linksys Module Compile
  288. 2001-12-07 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Linksys Module Compile
  289. 2001-12-07 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Adequacy.org || Is Your Son a Computer Hacker?
  290. 2001-12-07 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Adequacy.org || Is Your Son a Computer Hacker?
  291. 2001-12-07 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: nylxs bylaws
  292. 2001-12-07 Jon Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: nylxs bylaws
  293. 2001-12-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] installfest.org
  294. 2001-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] installfest.org
  295. 2001-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] installfest.org
  296. 2001-12-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] installfest.org
  297. 2001-12-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] installfest.org
  298. 2001-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] installfest.org
  299. 2001-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] installfest.org
  300. 2001-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] installfest.org
  301. 2001-12-06 Michael Osten <kulua-at-reefedge.com> Re: [hangout] Sendmail
  302. 2001-12-06 From: "Michael H. Collins" <mhtexcollins-at-austin.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Adequacy.org || Is Your Son a Computer Hacker?
  303. 2001-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: a new modperl book: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook [stas-at-stason.org]
  304. 2001-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: pine & pop3 [vagn-at-ranok.com]
  305. 2001-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: pine & pop3 [vagn-at-ranok.com]
  306. 2001-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last nights meeting
  307. 2001-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Update for Quarantining Malicious Outlook Attachments [conover-at-rahul.net]
  308. 2001-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sendmail
  309. 2001-12-05 Vagn Scott <vagn-at-ranok.com> Re: [hangout] Sendmail
  310. 2001-12-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Sendmail
  311. 2001-12-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Announcement: NYLXS In-Service Lecture Wireless Networking
  312. 2001-12-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Announcement: NYLXS In-Service Lecture Wireless Networking
  313. 2001-12-03 Ari Jort <arijort-at-valinux.com> Re: [hangout] X Server Configuration
  314. 2001-12-03 Ari Jort <arijort-at-valinux.com> Re: [hangout] X Server Configuration
  315. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New York City Noon Monday 3 December 2001: Rally to Free Dmitry Sklyarov
  316. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Linux Intenation [membership-at-li.org]
  317. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: your study [biella-at-eff.org]
  318. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: your study [biella-at-eff.org]
  319. 2001-12-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] WebSite changes
  320. 2001-12-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] WebSite changes
  321. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WebSite changes
  322. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WebSite changes
  323. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Apologies and threats
  324. 2001-12-02 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Apologies and threats
  325. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New FAQ
  326. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New FAQ
  327. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Slackware Kernel Question
  328. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Slackware Kernel Question
  329. 2001-12-02 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] lists.us.dell.com
  330. 2001-12-02 Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] lists.us.dell.com
  331. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Digital Divide
  332. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The Digital Divide
  333. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] When Civilizations Clash
  334. 2001-12-02 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We are just not doing enough...
  335. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  336. 2001-12-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout]
  337. 2001-12-01 Jon <jon-at-corporatelords.org> Re: [hangout] We are just not doing enough...
  338. 2001-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] December 5th Agenda
  339. 2001-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] December 5th Agenda

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