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DATE 2004-04-16
FROM From: "Inker, Evan"
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Linux vendors claim Forrester Report favored Microsoft

Linux vendors claim Forrester Report favored Microsoft
Say Forrester Research showed bias in study of responses to security flaws


News Story by Jaikumar Vijayan


APRIL 16, 2004 (COMPUTERWORLD) - Four major Linux distributors have sharply
criticized a recent report from Forrester Research Inc. that found that
Microsoft Corp. outperformed them in responding to and fixing security
flaws.
In a joint letter released April 6, Linux distributors Debian, MandrakeSoft
Inc., Red Hat Inc. and SUSE Linux AG questioned the validity of Forrester's
conclusion and claimed that the report had "extremely limited real-world
value" for users.

"It's bogus in its current form," said Joey Schulze, a member of Debian's
security team.

Laura Koetzle, author of the Forrester report, defended her company's
analysis of the data. All vendors studied in the report were measured
equally using publicly available and widely accepted vulnerability rating
measures from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), she
said.

Cambridge, Mass.-based Forrester's report, titled "Is Linux More Secure than
Windows?" and released March 22, looks at how Microsoft and the four Linux
vendors responded to reports of security flaws over a 12-month period, from
June 1, 2002, to May 31, 2003. The document gives Microsoft the highest
marks among the vendors for its "responsiveness" and its "thoroughness" in
dealing with reported security vulnerabilities.

On average, Microsoft took 25 days after it became aware of a flaw to
release a fix, and it was the only company to fix all vulnerabilities, the
report stated. However, Microsoft also had the highest percentage of serious
flaws.

In contrast, Moreno Valley, Calif.-based MandrakeSoft took 56 days on
average to issue fixes for its Linux distribution, the Forrester report
said. SUSE and Red Hat took 54 and 47 days, respectively, while Debian took
an average of 32 days.

The Linux vendors also scored lower than Microsoft in terms of the
percentage of reported flaws they fixed. Debian ranked last, fixing 275 out
of 286 flaws.

While the data that the analysis is based on is accurate, the conclusions
are not, said Vincent Danen, security update manager at MandrakeSoft. By
treating vendor responses to all vulnerabilities as equal, the Forrester
report failed to measure the much better record of Linux distributors when
it comes to particularly serious flaws, Danen said.

Linux vendors typically treat flaws on a case-by-case basis, with high-risk
flaws getting a higher priority than the low-risk ones, Danen said. The
response to a flaw is based on risk assessments made by each distributor and
may not always coincide with the assessment made by a third party such as
NIST, he said.

"Our users will know that for critical flaws, we can respond within hours,"
SUSE Linux said in a statement. SUSE is now owned by Novell Inc.

By focusing purely on quantitative analyses, the Forrester report fails "to
differentiate between both the seriousness of the flaws and, more
importantly, the quality of the fixes," SUSE said in the statement.

Making a distinction between serious flaws and the not-so-serious ones when
devising a response is crucial, said Joe Poole, manager of technical support
at Boscov's Department Stores LLC in Reading, Pa.

"[Vendors] have to separate the things they need to do tomorrow and what can
be done in a month," he said.

This isn't the first time that a Forrester report comparing Microsoft
products and Linux has been criticized. In September, the research firm drew
flak from users over a report that showed Microsoft development platforms
having a substantial cost advantage over Linux/J2EE for portal applications,
since that report was actually funded by Microsoft (see story). Koetzle
stressed that her security report had no Microsoft backing whatsoever.
"Microsoft did not pay for this report," she said.





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  114. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  115. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: pittance
  116. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: pittance
  117. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Peter Norton Tape
  118. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Te
  119. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [info-at-j2jnetwork.com: Job Leads (7) from the J2J Network]
  120. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  121. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Telephony for Gn ubies and Installfest Sunday May 4th
  122. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  123. 2004-04-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  124. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  125. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  126. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  127. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  128. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  129. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  130. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  131. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  132. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  133. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  134. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  135. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  136. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  137. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  138. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  139. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  140. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  141. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  142. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  143. 2004-04-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lo and Behold - More Work for Fun and Profit
  144. 2004-04-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night
  145. 2004-04-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA-Activists] Boaters lost in marine chart fight
  146. 2004-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Election
  147. 2004-04-08 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election
  148. 2004-04-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Election
  149. 2004-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  150. 2004-04-08 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  151. 2004-04-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse-talk] WIPO Considering A Ban On Computers
  152. 2004-04-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Panelists call for lightweight Linux
  153. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  154. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  155. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Job in New York City
  156. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Picture of Ed Center and Gnome Summit
  157. 2004-04-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Analysis of Sun/MS settlement by the Financial Times
  158. 2004-04-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Move the GNU/Linux Desktop on the rise
  159. 2004-04-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for hw/sw guru (fwd)
  160. 2004-04-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security]
  161. 2004-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security]
  162. 2004-04-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero impact on record sales
  163. 2004-04-06 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [DMCA_Discuss] It's official: File sharing is legal in Canad
  164. 2004-04-06 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [DMCA_Discuss] A Heretical View of File Sharing (fwd)
  165. 2004-04-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  166. 2004-04-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  167. 2004-04-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  168. 2004-04-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  169. 2004-04-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  170. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  171. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: LPI-US to Host 1st Annual CLUB LUG in New Orleans June 1 & 2 [elizabeth.beckham-at-usm.edu]
  172. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  173. 2004-04-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  174. 2004-04-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: referrals needed
  175. 2004-04-03 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] referrals needed
  176. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So much for the Java Desktop
  177. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Press
  178. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Embperl programmer needed [nazgul-at-mail.somewhere.com]
  179. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer (onsite), United States, NY, downtown NYC [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  180. 2004-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Student Linux Project Mar 17th, 2004
  181. 2004-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] States Seek Common Ground On Open Source
  182. 2004-04-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fairuse] IBM cites Fair Use as an affirmative defense against SCO
  183. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] Court ruling in Canada says music file swappin g is legal
  184. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: More on Contracts [adrba-at-nyct.net]
  185. 2004-04-01 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] Court ruling in Canada says music file swappin
  186. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  187. 2004-04-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Study Provides 'Solid State' Stats
  188. 2004-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Embperl programmer needed [nazgul-at-somewhere.com]
  189. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  190. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  191. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  192. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  193. 2004-04-01 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] Passover 2004
  194. 2004-04-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> RE: [hangout] Elections
  195. 2004-04-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Elections
  196. 2004-04-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  197. 2004-04-01 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  198. 2004-04-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] N/A
  199. 2004-04-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] N/A
  200. 2004-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Techn Nite Sunday
  201. 2004-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Techn Nite Sunday
  202. 2004-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Adam - hook this URL into the NYACSH site please
  203. 2004-04-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] firefox
  204. 2004-04-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Backs Off GPL Claims
  205. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public Relations
  206. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The best thing since sliced bread - well almost
  207. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Send Resume for "Web Developer" Position AT NYC [ali-at-247headhunting.com]
  208. 2004-04-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Turbolinux Announces First Linux Support for Micros oft
  209. 2004-04-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Turbolinux Announces First Linux Support for Microsoft Windows Me dia
  210. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (absentee ballots)
  211. 2004-04-27 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Pasha Akbar
  212. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election (Nominations)
  213. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (Nominations)
  214. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (Nomination Results)
  215. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Group Battling 'Dubious' Software Patents
  216. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A Sunny Forecast for Open-Source
  217. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell's SUSE Linux has landed
  218. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A Standardized Open Source Network Authentication System
  219. 2004-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero impact on record sales
  220. 2004-04-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero
  221. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [orgcom-mgmt] Minutes
  222. 2004-04-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting for Orgcom?
  223. 2004-04-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting for Orgcom?
  224. 2004-04-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: OrgCom Sunday Afternoon
  225. 2004-04-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [orgcom-mgmt] next meeting reminder. (fwd)
  226. 2004-04-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [orgcom-mgmt] next meeting reminder. (fwd)
  227. 2004-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [orgcom-mgmt] OrgCom Minutes (Draft) [andrewschaaf-at-earthlink.net]

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