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DATE 2004-04-06
FROM Michael Richardson
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] FW: [DMCA_Discuss] A Heretical View of File Sharing (fwd)



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT [mailto:miker-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:27 PM
> To: mrichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us
> Subject: [DMCA_Discuss] A Heretical View of File Sharing (fwd)
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:21:53 -0700
> From: Jon O.
> To: dmca_discuss-at-lists.microshaft.org
> Subject: [DMCA_Discuss] A Heretical View of File Sharing
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Dave Farber -----
>
> A Heretical View of File Sharing
>
> April 5, 2004
> By JOHN SCHWARTZ
>
>
>
>
>
> The music industry says it repeatedly, with passion and
> conviction: downloading hurts sales.
>
> That statement is at the heart of the war on file sharing,
> both of music and movies, and underpins lawsuits against
> thousands of music fans, as well as legislation approved
> last week by a House Judiciary subcommittee that would
> create federal penalties for using what is known as
> peer-to-peer technology to download copyrighted works. It
> is also part of the reason that the Justice Department
> introduced an intellectual-property task force last week
> that plans to step up criminal prosecutions of copyright
> infringers.
>
> But what if the industry is wrong, and file sharing is not
> hurting record sales?
>
> It might seem counterintuitive, but that is the conclusion
> reached by two economists who released a draft last week of
> the first study that makes a rigorous economic comparison
> of directly observed activity on file-sharing networks and
> music buying.
>
> "Downloads have an effect on sales which is statistically
> indistinguishable from zero, despite rather precise
> estimates," write its authors, Felix Oberholzer-Gee of the
> Harvard Business School and Koleman S. Strumpf of the
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
>
> The industry has reacted with the kind of flustered
> consternation that the White House might display if Richard
> A. Clarke showed up at a Rose Garden tea party. Last week,
> the Recording Industry Association of America sent out
> three versions of a six-page response to the study.
>
> The problem with the industry view, Professors
> Oberholzer-Gee and Strumpf say, is that it is not supported
> by solid evidence. Previous studies have failed because
> they tend to depend on surveys, and the authors contend
> that surveys of illegal activity are not trustworthy.
> "Those who agree to have their Internet behavior discussed
> or monitored are unlikely to be representative of all
> Internet users," the authors wrote.
>
> Instead, they analyzed the direct data of music downloaders
> over a 17-week period in the fall of 2002, and compared
> that activity with actual music purchases during that time.
> Using complex mathematical formulas, they determined that
> spikes in downloading had almost no discernible effect on
> sales. Even under their worst-case example, "it would take
> 5,000 downloads to reduce the sales of an album by one
> copy," they wrote. "After annualizing, this would imply a
> yearly sales loss of two million albums, which is virtually
> rounding error" given that 803 million records were sold in
> 2002. Sales dropped by 139 million albums from 2000 to
> 2002.
>
> "While downloads occur on a vast scale, most users are
> likely individuals who would not have bought the album even
> in the absence of file sharing," the professors wrote.
>
> In an interview, Professor Oberholzer-Gee said that
> previous research assumed that every download could be
> thought of as a lost sale. In fact, he said, most
> downloaders were drawn to free music and were unlikely to
> spend $18 on a CD.
>
> "Say I offer you a free flight to Florida," he asks. "How
> likely is it that you will go to Florida? It is very
> likely, because the price is free." If there were no free
> ticket, that trip to Florida would be much less likely, he
> said. Similarly, free music might draw all kinds of people,
> but "it doesn't mean that these people would buy CD's at
> $18," he said.
>
> The most popular albums bought are also the most popular
> downloads, so the researchers looked for anomalous rises in
> downloading activity that they might compare to sales
> activity. They found one such spike, Professor
> Oberholzer-Gee said, during a German school holiday that
> occurred during the time they studied. Germany is second to
> the United States in making files available for
> downloading, supplying about 15 percent of online music
> files, he said. During the vacation, students who were home
> with time on their hands flooded the Internet with new
> files, which in turn spurred new downloading activity. The
> researchers then looked for any possible impact in the
> subsequent weeks on sales of CD's.
>
> Professor Oberholzer said that he had expected to find that
> downloading resulted in some harm to the industry, and was
> startled when he first ran the numbers in the spring of
> 2003. "I called Koleman and said, 'Something is not quite
> right - there seems to be no effect between file sharing
> and sales.' "
>
> Amy Weiss, an industry spokeswoman, expressed incredulity
> at what she deemed an "incomprehensible" study, and she
> ridiculed the notion that a relatively small sample of
> downloads could shed light on the universe of activity.
>
> The industry response, titled "Downloading Hurts Sales,"
> concludes: "If file sharing has no negative impact on the
> purchasing patterns of the top selling records, how do you
> account for the fact that, according to SoundScan, the
> decrease of Top 10 selling albums in each of the last four
> years is: 2000, 60 million units; 2001, 40 million units;
> 2002, 34 million units; 2003, 33 million units?"
>
> Critics of the industry's stance have long suggested that
> other factors might be contributing to the drop in sales,
> including a slow economy, fewer new releases and a
> consolidation of radio networks that has resulted in less
> variety on the airwaves. Some market experts have also
> suggested that record sales in the 1990's might have been
> abnormally high as people bought CD's to replace their
> vinyl record collections.
>
> "The single-bullet theory employed by the R.I.A.A. has
> always been considered by anyone with even a modicum of
> economic knowledge to be pretty ambitious as spin," said
> Joe Fleischer, the head of sales and marketing for
> BigChampagne, a company that tracks music downloads and is
> used by some record companies to measure the popularity of
> songs for marketing purposes.
>
> The industry response stresses that the new study has not
> gone through the process of peer review. But the response
> cites refuting statistics and analysis, much of it prepared
> by market research consultants, that also have not gone
> through peer review.
>
> One consultant, Russ Crupnick, vice president of the NPD
> Group, called the report "absolutely astounding." Asked to
> explain how the professors' analysis might be mistaken, he
> said he was still trying to understand the complex
> document: "I am not the level of mathematician that the
> professors purport to be."
>
> Stan Liebowitz of the University of Texas at Dallas, author
> of an essay cited by the industry, said the use of a German
> holiday to judge American behavior was strained. Professor
> Liebowitz argued in a paper in 2002 that file sharing did
> not affect music sales, but said he had since changed his
> mind.
>
> The Liebowitz essay appeared in an economics journal edited
> by Gary D. Libecap, a professor of economics at the
> University of Arizona, who said that his publication was
> not peer reviewed, though the articles in it were often
> based on peer-reviewed work. Professor Libecap said he
> attended a presentation by Professor Strumpf last week, and
> said the file-sharing study "looks really good to me."
>
> "This was really careful, empirical work," Professor
> Libecap said.
>
> The author of another report recommended by the industry
> said that the two sets of data used by the researchers
> should not be compared. "They can't get to that using the
> two sets of data they are using - they aren't tracking
> individual behavior," said Jayne Charneski, formerly of
> Edison Media Research, who prepared a report last June that
> she said showed that 7 percent of the marketplace consists
> of people who download music and do not buy it. That number
> is far lower than the authors of the new study estimated.
> "There's a lot of research out there that's conducted with
> an agenda in mind," said Ms. Charneski, now the head of
> research for the record label EMI.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/05/technology/05music.html?ex=1082149203&
> ei=1&en=64d59da1f3ee8310
>
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  77. 2004-04-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit
  78. 2004-04-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit
  79. 2004-04-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit
  80. 2004-04-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving technite
  81. 2004-04-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux vendors claim Forrester Report favored Microsoft
  82. 2004-04-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Group challenges Microsoft's patent for FAT file system
  83. 2004-04-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Latest Microsoft patches draw user ire
  84. 2004-04-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [paranoia-dev] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  85. 2004-04-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl / Sendmail expertise required (onsite), United States, New Jersey, Rutherford]
  86. 2004-04-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: cvs (SuSE-SA:2004:008)]
  87. 2004-04-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Experienced Systems Administrator (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  88. 2004-04-14 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election
  89. 2004-04-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Election
  90. 2004-04-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Election
  91. 2004-04-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Election
  92. 2004-04-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Interview with Element Computer Regarding ION Linux
  93. 2004-04-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  94. 2004-04-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  95. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  96. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Election
  97. 2004-04-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  98. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  99. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Search algorithm consultant (telecommute), United States, IN, Richmond [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  100. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Junior Perl Programmer (onsite), United States, New York, New York [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  101. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  102. 2004-04-13 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  103. 2004-04-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  104. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] When is the next meeting
  105. 2004-04-12 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] When is the next meeting
  106. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Election
  107. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  108. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Election
  109. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  110. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Te lephony for Gn ubies and Installfest Sunday May 4th
  111. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  112. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  113. 2004-04-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  114. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  115. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: pittance
  116. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: pittance
  117. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Peter Norton Tape
  118. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Te
  119. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [info-at-j2jnetwork.com: Job Leads (7) from the J2J Network]
  120. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  121. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Telephony for Gn ubies and Installfest Sunday May 4th
  122. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  123. 2004-04-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  124. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  125. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  126. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  127. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  128. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  129. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  130. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  131. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  132. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  133. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  134. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  135. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  136. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  137. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  138. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  139. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  140. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  141. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  142. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  143. 2004-04-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lo and Behold - More Work for Fun and Profit
  144. 2004-04-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night
  145. 2004-04-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA-Activists] Boaters lost in marine chart fight
  146. 2004-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Election
  147. 2004-04-08 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election
  148. 2004-04-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Election
  149. 2004-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  150. 2004-04-08 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  151. 2004-04-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse-talk] WIPO Considering A Ban On Computers
  152. 2004-04-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Panelists call for lightweight Linux
  153. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  154. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  155. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Job in New York City
  156. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Picture of Ed Center and Gnome Summit
  157. 2004-04-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Analysis of Sun/MS settlement by the Financial Times
  158. 2004-04-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Move the GNU/Linux Desktop on the rise
  159. 2004-04-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for hw/sw guru (fwd)
  160. 2004-04-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security]
  161. 2004-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security]
  162. 2004-04-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero impact on record sales
  163. 2004-04-06 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [DMCA_Discuss] It's official: File sharing is legal in Canad
  164. 2004-04-06 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [DMCA_Discuss] A Heretical View of File Sharing (fwd)
  165. 2004-04-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  166. 2004-04-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  167. 2004-04-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  168. 2004-04-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  169. 2004-04-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  170. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  171. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: LPI-US to Host 1st Annual CLUB LUG in New Orleans June 1 & 2 [elizabeth.beckham-at-usm.edu]
  172. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  173. 2004-04-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  174. 2004-04-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: referrals needed
  175. 2004-04-03 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] referrals needed
  176. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So much for the Java Desktop
  177. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Press
  178. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Embperl programmer needed [nazgul-at-mail.somewhere.com]
  179. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer (onsite), United States, NY, downtown NYC [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  180. 2004-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Student Linux Project Mar 17th, 2004
  181. 2004-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] States Seek Common Ground On Open Source
  182. 2004-04-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fairuse] IBM cites Fair Use as an affirmative defense against SCO
  183. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] Court ruling in Canada says music file swappin g is legal
  184. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: More on Contracts [adrba-at-nyct.net]
  185. 2004-04-01 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] Court ruling in Canada says music file swappin
  186. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  187. 2004-04-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Study Provides 'Solid State' Stats
  188. 2004-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Embperl programmer needed [nazgul-at-somewhere.com]
  189. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  190. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  191. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  192. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  193. 2004-04-01 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] Passover 2004
  194. 2004-04-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> RE: [hangout] Elections
  195. 2004-04-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Elections
  196. 2004-04-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  197. 2004-04-01 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  198. 2004-04-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] N/A
  199. 2004-04-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] N/A
  200. 2004-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Techn Nite Sunday
  201. 2004-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Techn Nite Sunday
  202. 2004-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Adam - hook this URL into the NYACSH site please
  203. 2004-04-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] firefox
  204. 2004-04-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Backs Off GPL Claims
  205. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public Relations
  206. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The best thing since sliced bread - well almost
  207. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Send Resume for "Web Developer" Position AT NYC [ali-at-247headhunting.com]
  208. 2004-04-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Turbolinux Announces First Linux Support for Micros oft
  209. 2004-04-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Turbolinux Announces First Linux Support for Microsoft Windows Me dia
  210. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (absentee ballots)
  211. 2004-04-27 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Pasha Akbar
  212. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election (Nominations)
  213. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (Nominations)
  214. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (Nomination Results)
  215. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Group Battling 'Dubious' Software Patents
  216. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A Sunny Forecast for Open-Source
  217. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell's SUSE Linux has landed
  218. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A Standardized Open Source Network Authentication System
  219. 2004-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero impact on record sales
  220. 2004-04-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero
  221. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [orgcom-mgmt] Minutes
  222. 2004-04-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting for Orgcom?
  223. 2004-04-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting for Orgcom?
  224. 2004-04-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: OrgCom Sunday Afternoon
  225. 2004-04-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [orgcom-mgmt] next meeting reminder. (fwd)
  226. 2004-04-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [orgcom-mgmt] next meeting reminder. (fwd)
  227. 2004-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [orgcom-mgmt] OrgCom Minutes (Draft) [andrewschaaf-at-earthlink.net]

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