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It's now early in the morning and I just came home from an NY Fair Use meeting and we have been actually discussing this in detail over the last few hours. First, let us look at the threat that the Hollings Bill and the DMCA present to Free Software. Even under the DMCA, if the major manufactorers chose to end free software, they can simply by running encryption on any copyrighted part of the system, especially, the system BIOS. Simply, the machines can be constructed in such a way, that booting anything other than an approved opperating system would be a felony under the DMCA. If you listen to the DMCA fair use exemption hearings at the LOC, this becomes clear. It's just a matter of time when this is implemented. Such is the nature of the world. When the ATM machines first came out, banks begged people to use them instead of tellers because of the cost savings. Immediately an issue came up if such a service would be changed for. And initially they didn't change for the service until they paved the way for the public to accept a $2 fee for every ATM transaction. Eventually, it has happened, and today it's nearly impossible to use an ATM, or the bank for that matter, without this additional fee. The same will happen with copyrighted bios. Today the public would be outraged if MS and Intel prevented other OS's from being installed on the system. But already MS is re-educating the public about the property rights of their PC, and making claims that only their OS is authorized on machines (see the recent flap about schools getting donated systems on slashdot). MS is moving rapidly to a model of "OS assurance" and "Automatic upgrades" in the name of security and content management protection. The Hollings bills, by whatever name they are this week, are legal enforcement mandating the worse case senerio of the DMCA. It will end Free Software the moment it is passed because it demands secret control of your system to protect copyright monopoly franchises. Free Software can't be secret... So now the issue is, now that these bills, and other legislative and regulartory activities are removing the basic property rights, and free speach rights, of PC owners, what do we do. Strangley enough, we MUST stop chasing out tail. We tend to respond (ineffectively I might add) to one ruling and bill after the next. And we have to broaden our constituency. Tony pointed out, quite correctly, that the Hollings bill is ultimately a starting point of for re-eduation of the public and a negoiating point for the assult on the 4th and 1st ammendments. And, as I can see it, the courts are not prepared to uphold the publics interest in the face of legistlation which prevents wiretapping and property damage to privately owned computers with regard to monopoly franchises. We need to go on the offensive and turn the tables. We need to control that language used in debate and discussion of these issues, and we need to proactively present bills which redifine Copyright in statutary law. For one thing, we need to alway publically say, that is a law is passed, which prevent your full use to enjoy information legally aquired through purchase or borrowing, that is just like as if someone knocked down your door and stole your computer, music and books. We need to say it imediately, constant and often, because this is JUST what Adboe and Time-Warner said accessing a DVD does. They litterly say we're stealing. So we need to turn it around and point out that if someone does actually break into your house and steal all your DVD's that the individual calls the cops and reports the theft, not Time-Warner. In addition, we need to introduce a new bill which will protect fair use and property rights. The bill, if crafted correctly, will fortify the courts in protecting individuals against 4th amendment abuses, defuse the DMCA and end a whole slew of unethical activities by executive branch of government, and Congress. Jeanne Thewell, who is someone I would trust my life with, is a lawyer working with NY Fair Use to draft such a bill. (thelwell-at-mindspring.com). The broad outline of the bill is as follows: The legislation to be drafted will accomplsih the following main stream objectives which all reasonable people can expect: All copyrights to individual scores, writings, and recordings will be returned to the original artist after a period of 10 years. No technology can be deployed which spies on, wiretaps or descloses privately owned information which is stored on digital devices by any government agency or private 3rd party without the issuance of a publically pronounced annd disclosed warrant l limited to a specific criminal investigation. All copyright cases must prove, prior to a judgement of guilt, proof that the actions in question did not infringe on Fair Use, and the individuals rights under the 4th and 1st ammendment of the Bill of rights US Constition. Ownership of all physical media and devices to read such media, is the sole property of the purchaser of the media, without an expressely negotiated and signed contract between both the copyright holder and the purchaser. No technological software or hardware method can be deployed in a digital product available for normal retail sale which inhibits in any way the full enjoyment of the property by the purchasers, regardless of any agreement between the designer of the hardware or software products. Such agreements are null, and not contractable. Copyright is an exception to Fair Use as it limited the ability for individuals to enjoy their private property and express themselves with the use of such copyrighted materials. Fair Use is a doctrin to be based on the 4th and 1st amendments of the Constitutions. Individuals have the right to express themselves to others about the means, mechanism and workings of all digital devices, including but not limited to discussion on how to make fair use of media, how to improve such devices, or to reverse engineer all such devices and the allgorithims which are used to help them display, copy or run media. We need to get as many big guns on this as possible and then relentlessly campaign, actively working to elect supporters and unelect opposition. In fact, we should look to defeat, not just the proposed spyware legistlation, but also defeat Senator Hollings WE CAN force him from office, because he's a radical. Finally, the issue of developing friends and allies. They have to be cultivated. Boucher is not powerful by himself, but if we get Weiner to become vocal on this issue as well, we WILL turn the tied, especially since Weiner was Chuck Schumers chief of staff. Right now, we need to find him, where ever he speaks, and ask him about this issue, over and over again. ALL POLITICS is LOCAL. I'd love to expand on how to target a congressmen. It's got to be done like Tammany Hall, machine politics, in the neighborhoods, and focusing on not only software, but the effects on education, libraries and wiretapping! Ruben On 2004.04.14 00:56 Ruben I Safir wrote: > > Where are we on this? > > Ryveb > > On 2004.03.18 09:46 Michael Richardson wrote: > > > > Ruben you are needed to write about the following.(this if for non tech > > people). 4. What is a GNU/LINUX DISTRIBUTION? (Ruben) > > > " 4a. The GPL and Other Licenses. (Ruben) > > > > "In The Business World An Executive Knows Something About Everything, A > > Technician Knows Everything About Something, And the Switchboard Operator > > Knows Everything." No one person is smarter than their team! > > > > Contact information for Michael L. Richardson > > > > mrichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us 1 212 961 8385 Main Line New York State Liquor > > Authority 1 212 961 8314 My Direct Line NYS Liquor Authority 1 212 961 8382 > > Fax NYS Liquor Authority > > > > miker-at-nylxs.com 1 718 627 0106 NYLXS, INC. & FREEDOM IT > > > > michael.l.richardson-at-verizon.net 1 718 469 9242 Home Voice/Fax 1 718 213 > > 1646 Cell > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ruben I Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:37 PM > > To: Michael Richardson > > Cc: 'hangout -at- nylxs . com' > > Subject: Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD > > > > > > What am I drafted into again? > > > > Ruben > > > > On 2004.03.17 13:07 Michael Richardson wrote: > > > > > > Please have you written statements ready by April 14, 2004. We need time > > to > > > proof them, and then do a video, and put the demo CD together (viewable in > > > Linux, Mac and Windows). Then the CD's have to be made. > > > > > > > > > "In The Business World An Executive Knows Something About Everything, A > > > Technician Knows Everything About Something, And the Switchboard Operator > > > Knows Everything." No one person is smarter than their team! > > > > > > Contact information for Michael L. Richardson > > > > > > mrichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us 1 212 961 8385 Main Line New York State > > Liquor > > > Authority 1 212 961 8314 My Direct Line NYS Liquor Authority 1 212 961 > > 8382 > > > Fax NYS Liquor Authority > > > > > > miker-at-nylxs.com 1 718 627 0106 NYLXS, INC. & FREEDOM IT > > > > > > michael.l.richardson-at-verizon.net 1 718 469 9242 Home Voice/Fax 1 718 213 > > > 1646 Cell > > > > > > > > > > > > We have 11, 11a, 11b, 12, 14 left. Is there a member of NYLXS can do them? > > > Has anything been left off the list? > > > > > > Michael Richardson (MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us) wrote: > > > " > > > " Since this is now a NYLXS Project (Ruben should be happy that one of his > > " > > > ideas is coming back). Please put your name next to an item you would > > like > > > " to do. Please respond by March 17, 2004. " > > > " > > > " Remember this is for non tech people and non programmers. > > > " > > > " This demo will cover the following topics. > > > " 1. What is Free Software? (Michael) > > > " 2. What is Open Source Software? (Michael) > > > " 3. What is NYLXS, INC.? (Ruben) > > > " 4. What is a GNU/LINUX DISTRIBUTION? (Ruben) > > > " 4a. The GPL and Other Licenses. (Ruben) > > > 4B. Other Free Operating Systems (BSD, Darwin etc) (Evan) > > > " 5. Free Software and the PC. (Steve) > > > " 6. Free software and the Mac. (Steve) > > > " 7. Free Software and other Platforms. (Steve) > > > " 8. Support for Free Software. (Adam) > > > " 9. Documentation where to find it and how to use it.(Adam) > > > " 10. Using the GNU/LINUX SUSE LIVE EVALUATION CD. (Michael) > > > " 11. Running windows programs in GNU/LINUX. > > > " 11a. Wine. > > > " 11b. Crossover Office. > > > " 12. VM Ware. > > > " 13. Open Office for Windows.(Evan) > > > " 14. The Gimp for Windows. > > > " 15. Testimonials. (Michael) > > > " 16. Books to read. (Adam) > > > " 17. Websites to check out. (Adam) > > > " > > > " > > > " > > > " > > > " "In The Business World > > > " An Executive Knows Something About Everything, > > > " A Technician Knows Everything About Something, > > > " And the Switchboard Operator Knows Everything." > > > " > > > " No one person is smarter than their team! > > > " > > > " Phone contacts for Michael L. 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NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc 2004-04-24 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Quad Opteron support. 2004-04-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [billy-at-mail.dadadada.net: cdparanoia: minor memory leak] 2004-04-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night 2004-04-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night 2004-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] stat versus lstat 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [billy-at-mail.dadadada.net: cdparanoia: minor memory leak] 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-22 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [billy-at-mail.dadadada.net: cdparanoia: minor memory leak] 2004-04-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Mandrake 10.0 2004-04-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-22 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Dual Opteron. 2004-04-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] stat versus lstat 2004-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] stat versus lstat 2004-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mandrake 10.0 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Windows Viruses 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [billy-at-mail.dadadada.net: cdparanoia: minor memory leak] 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] [billy-at-mail.dadadada.net: cdparanoia: minor memory leak] 2004-04-21 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Mandrake 10.0 2004-04-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Dual Opteron. 2004-04-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dual Opteron. 2004-04-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Google and Yahoo Sites are down... 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Google and Yahoo Sites are down... 2004-04-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Google and Yahoo Sites are down... 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging David Sugar 2004-04-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Training for a Century Bike Ride 2004-04-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Training for a Century Bike Ride 2004-04-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Training for a Century Bike Ride 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Training for a Century Bike Ride 2004-04-20 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-20 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs 2004-04-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Brain Chips are coming 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brain Chips are coming 2004-04-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Election Nominations 2004-04-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Insurance group: Linux free of copyright violations 2004-04-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO investor wants out of deal 2004-04-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Send Resume for "Web Developer" Position AT Midtown Manhattan, NYC [ali-at-247headhunting.com] 2004-04-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Sony Vaio RS410 Review - DONT BUY THIS PC 2004-04-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Sony Vaio RS410 Review - DONT BUY THIS PC 2004-04-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Sony Vaio RS410 Review - DONT BUY THIS PC 2004-04-19 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Junior Perl programmer (onsite), United States, NY, New York 2004-04-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sony Vaio RS410 Review - DONT BUY THIS PC 2004-04-19 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fishing Tomorrow 2004-04-18 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit 2004-04-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit 2004-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Desktops are in the news again 2004-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit 2004-04-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Moving technite 2004-04-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit 2004-04-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit 2004-04-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit 2004-04-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit 2004-04-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving technite 2004-04-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux vendors claim Forrester Report favored Microsoft 2004-04-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Group challenges Microsoft's patent for FAT file system 2004-04-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Latest Microsoft patches draw user ire 2004-04-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [paranoia-dev] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl / Sendmail expertise required (onsite), United States, New Jersey, Rutherford] 2004-04-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: cvs (SuSE-SA:2004:008)] 2004-04-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Experienced Systems Administrator (onsite), United States, NY, New York] 2004-04-14 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election 2004-04-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Election 2004-04-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Election 2004-04-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Election 2004-04-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Interview with Element Computer Regarding ION Linux 2004-04-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-04-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Election 2004-04-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Search algorithm consultant (telecommute), United States, IN, Richmond [jobs-admin-at-perl.org] 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Junior Perl Programmer (onsite), United States, New York, New York [jobs-admin-at-perl.org] 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source 2004-04-13 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source 2004-04-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] When is the next meeting 2004-04-12 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] When is the next meeting 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Election 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Election 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Te lephony for Gn ubies and Installfest Sunday May 4th 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Peter Norton Tape 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Te 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [info-at-j2jnetwork.com: Job Leads (7) from the J2J Network] 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Telephony for Gn ubies and Installfest Sunday May 4th 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source 2004-04-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lo and Behold - More Work for Fun and Profit 2004-04-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night 2004-04-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA-Activists] Boaters lost in marine chart fight 2004-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Election 2004-04-08 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election 2004-04-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Election 2004-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-08 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA 2004-04-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse-talk] WIPO Considering A Ban On Computers 2004-04-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Panelists call for lightweight Linux 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Job in New York City 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Picture of Ed Center and Gnome Summit 2004-04-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Analysis of Sun/MS settlement by the Financial Times 2004-04-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Move the GNU/Linux Desktop on the rise 2004-04-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for hw/sw guru (fwd) 2004-04-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security] 2004-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security] 2004-04-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero impact on record sales 2004-04-06 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [DMCA_Discuss] It's official: File sharing is legal in Canad 2004-04-06 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [DMCA_Discuss] A Heretical View of File Sharing (fwd) 2004-04-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Passover to all 2004-04-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Passover to all 2004-04-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Passover to all 2004-04-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA 2004-04-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: LPI-US to Host 1st Annual CLUB LUG in New Orleans June 1 & 2 [elizabeth.beckham-at-usm.edu] 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA 2004-04-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA 2004-04-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: referrals needed 2004-04-03 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] referrals needed 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So much for the Java Desktop 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Press 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Embperl programmer needed [nazgul-at-mail.somewhere.com] 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer (onsite), United States, NY, downtown NYC [jobs-admin-at-perl.org] 2004-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Student Linux Project Mar 17th, 2004 2004-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] States Seek Common Ground On Open Source 2004-04-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fairuse] IBM cites Fair Use as an affirmative defense against SCO 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] Court ruling in Canada says music file swappin g is legal 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: More on Contracts [adrba-at-nyct.net] 2004-04-01 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] Court ruling in Canada says music file swappin 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Study Provides 'Solid State' Stats 2004-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Embperl programmer needed [nazgul-at-somewhere.com] 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-01 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] Passover 2004 2004-04-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> RE: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-01 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections 2004-04-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] N/A 2004-04-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] N/A 2004-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Techn Nite Sunday 2004-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Techn Nite Sunday 2004-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Adam - hook this URL into the NYACSH site please 2004-04-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] firefox 2004-04-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Backs Off GPL Claims 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public Relations 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The best thing since sliced bread - well almost 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Send Resume for "Web Developer" Position AT NYC [ali-at-247headhunting.com] 2004-04-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Turbolinux Announces First Linux Support for Micros oft 2004-04-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Turbolinux Announces First Linux Support for Microsoft Windows Me dia 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (absentee ballots) 2004-04-27 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Pasha Akbar 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election (Nominations) 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (Nominations) 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (Nomination Results) 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Group Battling 'Dubious' Software Patents 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A Sunny Forecast for Open-Source 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell's SUSE Linux has landed 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A Standardized Open Source Network Authentication System 2004-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero impact on record sales 2004-04-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [orgcom-mgmt] Minutes 2004-04-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting for Orgcom? 2004-04-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting for Orgcom? 2004-04-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: OrgCom Sunday Afternoon 2004-04-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [orgcom-mgmt] next meeting reminder. (fwd) 2004-04-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [orgcom-mgmt] next meeting reminder. (fwd) 2004-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [orgcom-mgmt] OrgCom Minutes (Draft) [andrewschaaf-at-earthlink.net] NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!