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MESSAGE
DATE 2004-04-14
FROM Ruben I Safir
SUBJECT Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD

Subject: [fairuse] Content Control and Boucher || 2002-05-08 || mesgno 1590


I feel like I'm missing some of this conversation
somewhere, but instead of answering every subparagraph
of this conversation, let me just try to focus on a few
doable points, and how I think we need to procede.

It's now early in the morning and I just came home from an
NY Fair Use meeting and we have been actually discussing this
in detail over the last few hours.

First, let us look at the threat that the Hollings Bill and
the DMCA present to Free Software. Even under the DMCA, if the
major manufactorers chose to end free software, they can simply
by running encryption on any copyrighted part of the system,
especially, the system BIOS. Simply, the machines can be constructed
in such a way, that booting anything other than an approved opperating
system would be a felony under the DMCA. If you listen to the DMCA
fair use exemption hearings at the LOC, this becomes clear. It's just
a matter of time when this is implemented. Such is the nature of the world.
When the ATM machines first came out, banks begged people to use them
instead of tellers because of the cost savings. Immediately an issue came up
if such a service would be changed for. And initially they didn't change for
the service until they paved the way for the public to accept a $2 fee for
every ATM transaction. Eventually, it has happened, and today it's nearly
impossible to use an ATM, or the bank for that matter, without this additional
fee.

The same will happen with copyrighted bios. Today the public would be outraged
if MS and Intel prevented other OS's from being installed on the system.
But already MS is re-educating the public about the property rights of their
PC, and making claims that only their OS is authorized on machines (see the
recent flap about schools getting donated systems on slashdot). MS is moving
rapidly to a model of "OS assurance" and "Automatic upgrades" in the name of
security and content management protection.

The Hollings bills, by whatever name they are this week, are legal enforcement
mandating the worse case senerio of the DMCA. It will end Free Software the
moment it is passed because it demands secret control of your system to protect
copyright monopoly franchises. Free Software can't be secret...

So now the issue is, now that these bills, and other legislative and
regulartory activities are removing the basic property rights, and
free speach rights, of PC owners, what do we do.

Strangley enough, we MUST stop chasing out tail.

We tend to respond (ineffectively I might add) to one ruling and bill after the
next. And we have to broaden our constituency.


Tony pointed out, quite correctly, that the Hollings bill is ultimately
a starting point of for re-eduation of the public and a negoiating point for
the assult on the 4th and 1st ammendments. And, as I can see it, the courts
are not prepared to uphold the publics interest in the face of legistlation
which prevents wiretapping and property damage to privately owned computers
with regard to monopoly franchises. We need to go on the offensive and turn
the tables. We need to control that language used in debate and discussion
of these issues, and we need to proactively present bills which redifine
Copyright in statutary law. For one thing, we need to alway publically
say, that is a law is passed, which prevent your full use to enjoy information
legally aquired through purchase or borrowing, that is just like as if
someone knocked down your door and stole your computer, music and books.
We need to say it imediately, constant and often, because this is JUST what
Adboe and Time-Warner said accessing a DVD does. They litterly say we're
stealing. So we need to turn it around and point out that if someone
does actually break into your house and steal all your DVD's that the
individual calls the cops and reports the theft, not Time-Warner.

In addition, we need to introduce a new bill which will protect fair use
and property rights. The bill, if crafted correctly, will fortify the courts
in protecting individuals against 4th amendment abuses, defuse the DMCA and end
a whole slew of unethical activities by executive branch of government,
and Congress.

Jeanne Thewell, who is someone I would trust my life with, is a lawyer working
with NY Fair Use to draft such a bill. (thelwell-at-mindspring.com).

The broad outline of the bill is as follows:

The legislation to be drafted will accomplsih the following main stream objectives which
all reasonable people can expect:

All copyrights to individual scores, writings, and recordings will be returned to the
original artist after a period of 10 years.

No technology can be deployed which spies on, wiretaps or descloses privately owned information
which is stored on digital devices by any government agency or private 3rd party without the
issuance of a publically pronounced annd disclosed warrant l limited to a specific criminal
investigation.

All copyright cases must prove, prior to a judgement of guilt, proof that the actions in question
did not infringe on Fair Use, and the individuals rights under the 4th and 1st ammendment of the Bill
of rights US Constition.

Ownership of all physical media and devices to read such media, is the sole property of the purchaser
of the media, without an expressely negotiated and signed contract between both the copyright holder
and the purchaser.

No technological software or hardware method can be deployed in a digital product available for normal
retail sale which inhibits in any way the full enjoyment of the property by the purchasers, regardless of
any agreement between the designer of the hardware or software products. Such agreements are null, and
not contractable.

Copyright is an exception to Fair Use as it limited the ability for individuals to enjoy their private
property and express themselves with the use of such copyrighted materials. Fair Use is a doctrin to be
based on the 4th and 1st amendments of the Constitutions.


Individuals have the right to express themselves to others about the means, mechanism and workings of
all digital devices, including but not limited to discussion on how to make fair use of media, how to
improve such devices, or to reverse engineer all such devices and the allgorithims which are used to
help them display, copy or run media.

We need to get as many big guns on this as possible and then relentlessly campaign, actively working to
elect supporters and unelect opposition. In fact, we should look to defeat, not just the proposed spyware
legistlation, but also defeat Senator Hollings

WE CAN force him from office, because he's a radical.


Finally, the issue of developing friends and allies.

They have to be cultivated. Boucher is not powerful by himself, but if
we get Weiner to become vocal on this issue as well, we WILL turn the tied,
especially since Weiner was Chuck Schumers chief of staff. Right now, we need
to find him, where ever he speaks, and ask him about this issue, over and over
again.

ALL POLITICS is LOCAL.

I'd love to expand on how to target a congressmen. It's got to be done
like Tammany Hall, machine politics, in the neighborhoods, and focusing on
not only software, but the effects on education, libraries and wiretapping!


Ruben


On 2004.04.14 00:56 Ruben I Safir wrote:
>
> Where are we on this?
>
> Ryveb
>
> On 2004.03.18 09:46 Michael Richardson wrote:
> >
> > Ruben you are needed to write about the following.(this if for non tech
> > people). 4. What is a GNU/LINUX DISTRIBUTION? (Ruben)
> > > " 4a. The GPL and Other Licenses. (Ruben)
> >
> > "In The Business World An Executive Knows Something About Everything, A
> > Technician Knows Everything About Something, And the Switchboard Operator
> > Knows Everything." No one person is smarter than their team!
> >
> > Contact information for Michael L. Richardson
> >
> > mrichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us 1 212 961 8385 Main Line New York State Liquor
> > Authority 1 212 961 8314 My Direct Line NYS Liquor Authority 1 212 961 8382
> > Fax NYS Liquor Authority
> >
> > miker-at-nylxs.com 1 718 627 0106 NYLXS, INC. & FREEDOM IT
> >
> > michael.l.richardson-at-verizon.net 1 718 469 9242 Home Voice/Fax 1 718 213
> > 1646 Cell
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ruben I Safir [mailto:ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:37 PM
> > To: Michael Richardson
> > Cc: 'hangout -at- nylxs . com'
> > Subject: Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
> >
> >
> > What am I drafted into again?
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> > On 2004.03.17 13:07 Michael Richardson wrote:
> > >
> > > Please have you written statements ready by April 14, 2004. We need time
> > to
> > > proof them, and then do a video, and put the demo CD together (viewable in
> > > Linux, Mac and Windows). Then the CD's have to be made.
> > >
> > >
> > > "In The Business World An Executive Knows Something About Everything, A
> > > Technician Knows Everything About Something, And the Switchboard Operator
> > > Knows Everything." No one person is smarter than their team!
> > >
> > > Contact information for Michael L. Richardson
> > >
> > > mrichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us 1 212 961 8385 Main Line New York State
> > Liquor
> > > Authority 1 212 961 8314 My Direct Line NYS Liquor Authority 1 212 961
> > 8382
> > > Fax NYS Liquor Authority
> > >
> > > miker-at-nylxs.com 1 718 627 0106 NYLXS, INC. & FREEDOM IT
> > >
> > > michael.l.richardson-at-verizon.net 1 718 469 9242 Home Voice/Fax 1 718 213
> > > 1646 Cell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We have 11, 11a, 11b, 12, 14 left. Is there a member of NYLXS can do them?
> > > Has anything been left off the list?
> > >
> > > Michael Richardson (MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us) wrote:
> > > "
> > > " Since this is now a NYLXS Project (Ruben should be happy that one of his
> > "
> > > ideas is coming back). Please put your name next to an item you would
> > like
> > > " to do. Please respond by March 17, 2004. "
> > > "
> > > " Remember this is for non tech people and non programmers.
> > > "
> > > " This demo will cover the following topics.
> > > " 1. What is Free Software? (Michael)
> > > " 2. What is Open Source Software? (Michael)
> > > " 3. What is NYLXS, INC.? (Ruben)
> > > " 4. What is a GNU/LINUX DISTRIBUTION? (Ruben)
> > > " 4a. The GPL and Other Licenses. (Ruben)
> > > 4B. Other Free Operating Systems (BSD, Darwin etc) (Evan)
> > > " 5. Free Software and the PC. (Steve)
> > > " 6. Free software and the Mac. (Steve)
> > > " 7. Free Software and other Platforms. (Steve)
> > > " 8. Support for Free Software. (Adam)
> > > " 9. Documentation where to find it and how to use it.(Adam)
> > > " 10. Using the GNU/LINUX SUSE LIVE EVALUATION CD. (Michael)
> > > " 11. Running windows programs in GNU/LINUX.
> > > " 11a. Wine.
> > > " 11b. Crossover Office.
> > > " 12. VM Ware.
> > > " 13. Open Office for Windows.(Evan)
> > > " 14. The Gimp for Windows.
> > > " 15. Testimonials. (Michael)
> > > " 16. Books to read. (Adam)
> > > " 17. Websites to check out. (Adam)
> > > "
> > > "
> > > "
> > > "
> > > " "In The Business World
> > > " An Executive Knows Something About Everything,
> > > " A Technician Knows Everything About Something,
> > > " And the Switchboard Operator Knows Everything."
> > > "
> > > " No one person is smarter than their team!
> > > "
> > > " Phone contacts for Michael L. Richardson
> > > "
> > > " 1 212 961 8385 Main Line New York State Liquor Authority
> > > " 1 212 961 8314 My Direct Line NYS Liquor Authority
> > > " 1 212 961 8382 Fax NYS Liquor Authority
> > > "
> > > " 1 718 627 0106 NYLXS, INC. & FREEDOM IT
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http://fairuse.nylxs.com

http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting
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http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net
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  24. 2004-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] stat versus lstat
  25. 2004-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  26. 2004-04-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Mandrake 10.0
  27. 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Windows Viruses
  28. 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  29. 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [billy-at-mail.dadadada.net: cdparanoia: minor memory leak]
  30. 2004-04-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs
  31. 2004-04-21 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs
  32. 2004-04-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] [billy-at-mail.dadadada.net: cdparanoia: minor memory leak]
  33. 2004-04-21 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Mandrake 10.0
  34. 2004-04-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  35. 2004-04-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  36. 2004-04-21 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs
  37. 2004-04-20 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Dual Opteron.
  38. 2004-04-20 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dual Opteron.
  39. 2004-04-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  40. 2004-04-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Google and Yahoo Sites are down...
  41. 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Google and Yahoo Sites are down...
  42. 2004-04-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Google and Yahoo Sites are down...
  43. 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  44. 2004-04-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging David Sugar
  45. 2004-04-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Training for a Century Bike Ride
  46. 2004-04-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Training for a Century Bike Ride
  47. 2004-04-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Training for a Century Bike Ride
  48. 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Training for a Century Bike Ride
  49. 2004-04-20 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs
  50. 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs
  51. 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs
  52. 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs
  53. 2004-04-20 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs
  54. 2004-04-20 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs
  55. 2004-04-20 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs
  56. 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Taking Out the Mothballs
  57. 2004-04-20 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Brain Chips are coming
  58. 2004-04-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brain Chips are coming
  59. 2004-04-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Election Nominations
  60. 2004-04-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  61. 2004-04-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Insurance group: Linux free of copyright violations
  62. 2004-04-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO investor wants out of deal
  63. 2004-04-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  64. 2004-04-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Send Resume for "Web Developer" Position AT Midtown Manhattan, NYC [ali-at-247headhunting.com]
  65. 2004-04-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Sony Vaio RS410 Review - DONT BUY THIS PC
  66. 2004-04-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Sony Vaio RS410 Review - DONT BUY THIS PC
  67. 2004-04-19 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Sony Vaio RS410 Review - DONT BUY THIS PC
  68. 2004-04-19 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Junior Perl programmer (onsite), United States, NY, New York
  69. 2004-04-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Sony Vaio RS410 Review - DONT BUY THIS PC
  70. 2004-04-19 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fishing Tomorrow
  71. 2004-04-18 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit
  72. 2004-04-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit
  73. 2004-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Desktops are in the news again
  74. 2004-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit
  75. 2004-04-18 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Moving technite
  76. 2004-04-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit
  77. 2004-04-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit
  78. 2004-04-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit
  79. 2004-04-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bicycling for Fun and Profit
  80. 2004-04-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving technite
  81. 2004-04-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux vendors claim Forrester Report favored Microsoft
  82. 2004-04-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Group challenges Microsoft's patent for FAT file system
  83. 2004-04-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Latest Microsoft patches draw user ire
  84. 2004-04-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [paranoia-dev] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  85. 2004-04-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Perl / Sendmail expertise required (onsite), United States, New Jersey, Rutherford]
  86. 2004-04-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [krahmer-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: cvs (SuSE-SA:2004:008)]
  87. 2004-04-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Experienced Systems Administrator (onsite), United States, NY, New York]
  88. 2004-04-14 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election
  89. 2004-04-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Election
  90. 2004-04-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Election
  91. 2004-04-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Election
  92. 2004-04-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Interview with Element Computer Regarding ION Linux
  93. 2004-04-14 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  94. 2004-04-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  95. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Deadline Demo CD
  96. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Election
  97. 2004-04-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  98. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Debugging cdparanoia in C
  99. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Search algorithm consultant (telecommute), United States, IN, Richmond [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  100. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Junior Perl Programmer (onsite), United States, New York, New York [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  101. 2004-04-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  102. 2004-04-13 Steve Milo <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  103. 2004-04-12 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  104. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] When is the next meeting
  105. 2004-04-12 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] When is the next meeting
  106. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Election
  107. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  108. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Election
  109. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  110. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Te lephony for Gn ubies and Installfest Sunday May 4th
  111. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  112. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  113. 2004-04-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  114. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  115. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: pittance
  116. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: pittance
  117. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Peter Norton Tape
  118. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Te
  119. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [info-at-j2jnetwork.com: Job Leads (7) from the J2J Network]
  120. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  121. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Telephony for Gn ubies and Installfest Sunday May 4th
  122. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  123. 2004-04-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  124. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  125. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  126. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  127. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  128. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  129. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  130. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  131. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  132. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  133. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  134. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  135. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  136. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  137. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  138. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  139. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  140. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  141. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  142. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  143. 2004-04-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lo and Behold - More Work for Fun and Profit
  144. 2004-04-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night
  145. 2004-04-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA-Activists] Boaters lost in marine chart fight
  146. 2004-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Election
  147. 2004-04-08 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election
  148. 2004-04-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Election
  149. 2004-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  150. 2004-04-08 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  151. 2004-04-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse-talk] WIPO Considering A Ban On Computers
  152. 2004-04-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Panelists call for lightweight Linux
  153. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  154. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  155. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Job in New York City
  156. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Picture of Ed Center and Gnome Summit
  157. 2004-04-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Analysis of Sun/MS settlement by the Financial Times
  158. 2004-04-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Move the GNU/Linux Desktop on the rise
  159. 2004-04-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for hw/sw guru (fwd)
  160. 2004-04-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security]
  161. 2004-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security]
  162. 2004-04-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero impact on record sales
  163. 2004-04-06 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [DMCA_Discuss] It's official: File sharing is legal in Canad
  164. 2004-04-06 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [DMCA_Discuss] A Heretical View of File Sharing (fwd)
  165. 2004-04-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  166. 2004-04-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  167. 2004-04-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  168. 2004-04-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  169. 2004-04-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  170. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  171. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: LPI-US to Host 1st Annual CLUB LUG in New Orleans June 1 & 2 [elizabeth.beckham-at-usm.edu]
  172. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  173. 2004-04-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  174. 2004-04-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: referrals needed
  175. 2004-04-03 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] referrals needed
  176. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So much for the Java Desktop
  177. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Press
  178. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Embperl programmer needed [nazgul-at-mail.somewhere.com]
  179. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer (onsite), United States, NY, downtown NYC [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  180. 2004-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Student Linux Project Mar 17th, 2004
  181. 2004-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] States Seek Common Ground On Open Source
  182. 2004-04-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fairuse] IBM cites Fair Use as an affirmative defense against SCO
  183. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] Court ruling in Canada says music file swappin g is legal
  184. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: More on Contracts [adrba-at-nyct.net]
  185. 2004-04-01 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] Court ruling in Canada says music file swappin
  186. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  187. 2004-04-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Study Provides 'Solid State' Stats
  188. 2004-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Embperl programmer needed [nazgul-at-somewhere.com]
  189. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  190. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  191. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  192. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  193. 2004-04-01 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] Passover 2004
  194. 2004-04-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> RE: [hangout] Elections
  195. 2004-04-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Elections
  196. 2004-04-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  197. 2004-04-01 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  198. 2004-04-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] N/A
  199. 2004-04-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] N/A
  200. 2004-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Techn Nite Sunday
  201. 2004-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Techn Nite Sunday
  202. 2004-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Adam - hook this URL into the NYACSH site please
  203. 2004-04-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] firefox
  204. 2004-04-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Backs Off GPL Claims
  205. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public Relations
  206. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The best thing since sliced bread - well almost
  207. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Send Resume for "Web Developer" Position AT NYC [ali-at-247headhunting.com]
  208. 2004-04-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Turbolinux Announces First Linux Support for Micros oft
  209. 2004-04-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Turbolinux Announces First Linux Support for Microsoft Windows Me dia
  210. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (absentee ballots)
  211. 2004-04-27 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Pasha Akbar
  212. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election (Nominations)
  213. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (Nominations)
  214. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (Nomination Results)
  215. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Group Battling 'Dubious' Software Patents
  216. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A Sunny Forecast for Open-Source
  217. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell's SUSE Linux has landed
  218. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A Standardized Open Source Network Authentication System
  219. 2004-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero impact on record sales
  220. 2004-04-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero
  221. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [orgcom-mgmt] Minutes
  222. 2004-04-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting for Orgcom?
  223. 2004-04-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting for Orgcom?
  224. 2004-04-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: OrgCom Sunday Afternoon
  225. 2004-04-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [orgcom-mgmt] next meeting reminder. (fwd)
  226. 2004-04-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [orgcom-mgmt] next meeting reminder. (fwd)
  227. 2004-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [orgcom-mgmt] OrgCom Minutes (Draft) [andrewschaaf-at-earthlink.net]

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