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MESSAGE
DATE 2004-04-06
FROM Ron Guerin
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security]

-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Martin Schulze
To: Debian News Channel
Subject: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:30:37 +0200

------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Debian Project http://www.debian.org/
Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security press-at-debian.org
April 6th, 2004 http://www.debian.org/News/2004/20040406
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security

Executive Summary:

GNU/Linux vendors Debian, Mandrake, Red Hat, and SUSE have joined together
to give a common statement about the Forrester report entitled "Is Linux
more Secure than Windows?". Despite the report's claim to incorporate a
qualitative assessment of vendor reactions to serious vulnerabilities, it
treats all vulnerabilities as equal, regardless of their risk to users.
As a result, the conclusions drawn by Forrester have extremely limited
real-world value for customers assessing the practical issue of how
quickly serious vulnerabilities get fixed.

Full Statement:

The security response teams of GNU/Linux distributors Debian,
Mandrakesoft, Red Hat and SUSE have assisted Forrester in gathering and
correcting data about vulnerabilities in their products. The gathered
data was used at Forrester for a report that became titled "Is Linux more
secure than Windows?". While the vulnerability data regarding GNU/Linux
which is the basis for the report is considered to be sufficiently
accurate and useful, Debian, Mandrakesoft, Red Hat and SUSE, from now on
referred to as "We", are concerned about the correctness of the
conclusions made in the report.

We believe that it is in the interest of our usership and the Free
Software community to respond to the Forrester report in the form of a
common statement:

We were approached by Forrester in February 2004 to help them refine their
raw data. Forrester collected data about the vulnerabilities that
affected GNU/Linux during a one year period (June 2002 - May 2003) and
looked at how many days it took us to provide corrections to our users.
Significant efforts have been put in not only making sure that the
underlying dataset for the vulnerabilities was correct, but also to
articulate the special technical and organizational care taken in the
response processes in the professional Free Software security field. This
expertise is greatly appreciated by our usership since it adds a high
value to our products, but we see that most of this value has been ignored
in the methods used for the analysis of the vulnerability data, leading to
erroneous conclusions.

Our Security Response Teams and security specialized organizations of
respectable reputation (such as the CERT/DHS, BSI, NIST, NISCC) exchange
information about vulnerabilities and cooperate on the measures and
procedures to react to them. Each vulnerability gets individually
investigated and evaluated; the severity of the vulnerability is then
determined by each of the individual teams based on the risk and impact as
well as other, mostly technical, properties of the weakness and the
software affected. This severity is then used to determine the priority
at which a fix for a vulnerability is being worked on weighed against
other vulnerabilities in our current queues. Our users will know that for
critical flaws we can respond within hours. This prioritization means
that lower severity issues will often be delayed to let the more important
issues get resolved first.

Even though the Forrester report claims so, it does not make that
distinction when it measures the time elapsed between the public knowledge
of a security flaw and the availiability of a vendor's fix. For each
vendor the report gives just a simple average, the "All/Distribution days
of risk", which gives an inconclusive picture of the reality that users
experience. The average erroneously treats all vulnerabilities as equal,
regardless of the risk they pose. Not all vulnerabilities have an equal
impact on all users. An attempt has been made to allocate a severity to
vulnerabilities using data from a third party, however the classification
of "high-severity" vulnerabilities is not sufficient: The mere
announcement of a vulnerability by a particular security organization does
not necessarily make the vulnerability severe - similarly, the ability to
exploit a weakness over the network (remote) is often irrelevant to the
vulnerability's severity.

We believe the report does not treat vendors of Free Software and the
single closed source vendor in the same way. Free Software is known for
its variety and its freedom of choice amongst the standards it defines.
Multiple implementations of these standards are typically offered for both
desktop and server use, which gives users the freedom to select software
based on their own criteria rather than those of the vendor. The
openness, transparency and traceability of the source code is added value
in addition to the larger variety of software packages available.
Finally, the claim that one software vendor had fixed 100% of their flaws
during the period of the report should be incentive for a closer
investigation of the conclusions the report presents.

signed,
Noah Meyerhans, Debian
Vincent Danen, Mandrakesoft
Mark J Cox, Red Hat
Roman Drahtmüller, SUSE


Additional Information:

Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña composed a survey in 2001[*] and discovered
that it has taken the Debian security team an average of 35 days to fix
vulnerbilities posted to the Bugtraq list. However, over 50% of the
vulnerabilities where fixed in a 10-days time frame, and over 15% of them
where fixed the same day the advisory was released! For this analysis,
all vulnerabilities were treated the same, though.

He has rerun the survey based on vulnerabilities discovered between June
1st 2002 and May 31st 2003 and found out that the median value of delays
between the disclosure and releasing an advisory including a correction
was 10 days (average is 13.5 days). Again, for this analysis advisories
were not classified with different priorities.

* http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-0112/msg00257.html
http://people.debian.org/~jfs/debconf/security/data/


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  108. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Election
  109. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  110. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Te lephony for Gn ubies and Installfest Sunday May 4th
  111. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  112. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  113. 2004-04-12 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  114. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  115. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: pittance
  116. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: pittance
  117. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Peter Norton Tape
  118. 2004-04-12 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Te
  119. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [info-at-j2jnetwork.com: Job Leads (7) from the J2J Network]
  120. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  121. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Gnubies Wed. April 14th David Sugar:Intro to Telephony for Gn ubies and Installfest Sunday May 4th
  122. 2004-04-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  123. 2004-04-11 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  124. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  125. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  126. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  127. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  128. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  129. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  130. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  131. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  132. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  133. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  134. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  135. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  136. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  137. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  138. 2004-04-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
  139. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: pittance
  140. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  141. 2004-04-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  142. 2004-04-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Possible Partners and funding source
  143. 2004-04-10 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lo and Behold - More Work for Fun and Profit
  144. 2004-04-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Night
  145. 2004-04-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [DMCA-Activists] Boaters lost in marine chart fight
  146. 2004-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Election
  147. 2004-04-08 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election
  148. 2004-04-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Election
  149. 2004-04-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  150. 2004-04-08 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  151. 2004-04-08 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] RE: [fairuse-talk] WIPO Considering A Ban On Computers
  152. 2004-04-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Panelists call for lightweight Linux
  153. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  154. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  155. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl Job in New York City
  156. 2004-04-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Picture of Ed Center and Gnome Summit
  157. 2004-04-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Analysis of Sun/MS settlement by the Financial Times
  158. 2004-04-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Move the GNU/Linux Desktop on the rise
  159. 2004-04-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for hw/sw guru (fwd)
  160. 2004-04-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security]
  161. 2004-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: Joint Statement about GNU/Linux Security]
  162. 2004-04-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero impact on record sales
  163. 2004-04-06 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [DMCA_Discuss] It's official: File sharing is legal in Canad
  164. 2004-04-06 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [DMCA_Discuss] A Heretical View of File Sharing (fwd)
  165. 2004-04-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  166. 2004-04-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  167. 2004-04-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Passover to all
  168. 2004-04-05 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  169. 2004-04-05 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  170. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  171. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: LPI-US to Host 1st Annual CLUB LUG in New Orleans June 1 & 2 [elizabeth.beckham-at-usm.edu]
  172. 2004-04-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  173. 2004-04-05 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] RIAA
  174. 2004-04-04 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: referrals needed
  175. 2004-04-03 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] referrals needed
  176. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So much for the Java Desktop
  177. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Press
  178. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Embperl programmer needed [nazgul-at-mail.somewhere.com]
  179. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Perl Developer (onsite), United States, NY, downtown NYC [jobs-admin-at-perl.org]
  180. 2004-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Student Linux Project Mar 17th, 2004
  181. 2004-04-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] States Seek Common Ground On Open Source
  182. 2004-04-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fairuse] IBM cites Fair Use as an affirmative defense against SCO
  183. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] Court ruling in Canada says music file swappin g is legal
  184. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: More on Contracts [adrba-at-nyct.net]
  185. 2004-04-01 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: [fairuse-talk] Court ruling in Canada says music file swappin
  186. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  187. 2004-04-01 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Tech Study Provides 'Solid State' Stats
  188. 2004-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Embperl programmer needed [nazgul-at-somewhere.com]
  189. 2004-04-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  190. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  191. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  192. 2004-04-01 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Elections
  193. 2004-04-01 Peter Siegel <psiegel-at-copper.net> Subject: [hangout] Passover 2004
  194. 2004-04-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> RE: [hangout] Elections
  195. 2004-04-01 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [hangout] Elections
  196. 2004-04-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  197. 2004-04-01 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Elections
  198. 2004-04-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] N/A
  199. 2004-04-25 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] N/A
  200. 2004-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Techn Nite Sunday
  201. 2004-04-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Techn Nite Sunday
  202. 2004-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Adam - hook this URL into the NYACSH site please
  203. 2004-04-24 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] firefox
  204. 2004-04-30 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCO Backs Off GPL Claims
  205. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Public Relations
  206. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The best thing since sliced bread - well almost
  207. 2004-04-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Send Resume for "Web Developer" Position AT NYC [ali-at-247headhunting.com]
  208. 2004-04-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Turbolinux Announces First Linux Support for Micros oft
  209. 2004-04-27 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Turbolinux Announces First Linux Support for Microsoft Windows Me dia
  210. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (absentee ballots)
  211. 2004-04-27 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Pasha Akbar
  212. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Re: [hangout] Election (Nominations)
  213. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (Nominations)
  214. 2004-04-27 Spidey309-at-aol.com Subject: [hangout] Election (Nomination Results)
  215. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Group Battling 'Dubious' Software Patents
  216. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A Sunny Forecast for Open-Source
  217. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Novell's SUSE Linux has landed
  218. 2004-04-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A Standardized Open Source Network Authentication System
  219. 2004-04-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero impact on record sales
  220. 2004-04-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Study in the NY Times Proves File Sharing has zero
  221. 2004-04-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [orgcom-mgmt] Minutes
  222. 2004-04-03 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Meeting for Orgcom?
  223. 2004-04-03 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting for Orgcom?
  224. 2004-04-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: OrgCom Sunday Afternoon
  225. 2004-04-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [orgcom-mgmt] next meeting reminder. (fwd)
  226. 2004-04-17 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [orgcom-mgmt] next meeting reminder. (fwd)
  227. 2004-04-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [orgcom-mgmt] OrgCom Minutes (Draft) [andrewschaaf-at-earthlink.net]

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