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| DATE | 2004-04-12 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Re: pittance
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From owner-hangout-desteny-at-mrbrklyn.com Mon Apr 12 12:58:58 2004 X-UIDL: ]1%"!QHn!!N"d!!-at-Dl!! Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.11/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id i3CGwvXm023759 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:58:57 -0400 Received: (from mdom-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id i3CGwvgU023758 for hangout-desteny; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:58:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: mdom set sender to owner-hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com using -f Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by mrbrklyn.com (8.12.11/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id i3CGwnNp023753; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:58:49 -0400 Received: (from ruben-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.12.11/8.12.3/Submit) id i3CGwnHb023752; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:58:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:58:49 -0400 From: Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS To: Barry Caplan Cc: jobs-discuss-at-perl.org, hangout-at-nylxs.com Subject: Re: [hangout] Re: pittance Message-ID: <20040412165849.GA23672-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20040411194859.0412f788-at-pop.face2interface.com> <20040411164712.GA1378-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20040411172038.GA1859-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20040411174132.M42496-at-mrbrklyn.com> <20040411204041.GA4650-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <86isg6xg1c.fsf-at-blue.stonehenge.com> <20040411233254.GA6950-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20040411194859.0412f788-at-pop.face2interface.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20040412085322.07391898-at-mail.i18n.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20040412085322.07391898-at-mail.i18n.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS List: New Yorker GNU Linux Scene Admin: To unsubscribe send unsubscribe name-at-domian.com in the body to hangout-request-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com X-Keywords: X-UID: 32831 Status: RO Content-Length: 1569 Lines: 43
On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:55:58AM -0700, Barry Caplan wrote: > So Ruben, >this is the land of entrepreneurialism...what efforts are you making >to make your dream off unionizing IT people a reality? Have you spoken >with anyone in an actual union? Why do they think they will be able to >succeed where they never have before?
Are you throwing down the guantlet to me :) Unionization is probibly not appropriate for IT. Licensure is probibly the way. And the first step is to create a more powerful and enabled professional organization, IMO.
The FSCC was designed to start this process. It will take years. I'll be retired before this becomes a reality. But I believe it will happen. I think there is no relisitic choice for public security reasons alone.
Ruben
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