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DATE 2004-07-09
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How can Microsoft attack Free and Open Source with this when only Microsoft
OS's are affected?



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-----Original Message-----
From: Inker, Evan [mailto:EInker-at-gam.com]
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:07 PM
To: hangout-at-nylxs.com
Subject: [hangout] Commentary: Patched in 60 Seconds




NewsForge
The Online Newspaper for Linux and Open Source
http://software.newsforge.com/


Title



Commentary: Patched in 60 Seconds


Date



2004.07.08 19:08


Author



ValourX


Topic





http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/08/2327246

Today it was announced that a vulnerability in the Mozilla and Firefox Web
browsers allows the execution of arbitrary code in Windows NT, 2000, and XP
systems. It doesn't affect GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris or anything else --
just Windows. I'd imagine that Microsoft's head honchos will be mentioning
this exploit whenever they want to attack open
source software
security for years to come. Ironically OSS advocates might use the same
story to attack Microsoft's security record. Why? Because a patch was
released before the vulnerability was widely reported.

The specific vulnerability in question affects the Mozilla suite (1.7.0 and
earlier), Firefox browser (0.9.1 and earlier), and Thunderbird email client
(0.7.1 and earlier). Here it is, barely a day since the bug was initally
reported, and all these programs have updated versions available as well as
a binary

patch for those needing a quick fix (if you're currently using one of these
programs in Windows, just click
lock.xpi> here to download the patch right now).

To many of us in the free software community this is somewhat disappointing,
yet the speed of the patch's release is not at all unusual. The

initial notice was posted to Full Disclosure
, a mailing list
that helps software be more secure by exposing security flaws as soon as
possible, on July 7. A patch was issued the same day, with no known
compromises to any systems. Three bug reports
were issued on the
topic the same day.

The hole

Specifically the vulnerability is a feature: it allows Windows programs to
be run remotely through clicking on a link like one of these
. The links use the
shell: command to run arbitrary Windows programs or, at its most
destructive, a denial of service attack on an individual machine by opening
up programs that don't exist.

The kicker is that this isn't even a problem with Mozilla; it's a problem
with Windows Explorer. Windows XP Service Pack 1 was supposed to have closed
this hole, but apparently it is still functioning and leaving Windows
systems open to remote attack. So the Mozilla team worked to patch a hole
that had little to do with their project.

Is this really a security hole? When Mozilla receives a shell: request, it
passes it on to an external handler in Windows. The "fix" for this is to
disable this functionality which, as far as I can tell, is totally
unnecessary to begin with. External handlers -- programs outside Mozilla --
have no specific security model, so the only way to deal with them is to
make individual exceptions like this one. Messy? Yes. But that's Windows.

He who patches first, patches best

So we had a fix in less than 24 hours, and the exploit wasn't that bad to
begin with.

Let's compare this to Microsoft's handling of a recent Internet Explorer
exploit that was taken advantage of by the Scob

trojan, which sought to steal sensitive personal and financial information
from its unknowing victims. The trojan attacked on June 25, and Microsoft
had a patch released a quick and speedy seven days later, on July 2. So for
seven days a serious hole remained in Internet Explorer, and even then the
rworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0%2C10801%2C94366%2C00.html%3
Ff=x584> vulnerability remained!

One day for the community to discover, discuss, and patch a Windows security
flaw through Mozilla, one week for Microsoft to incorrectly patch a serious
IE exploit. Now tell me, Mr. Ballmer, Mr. Gates: Which is the better
development model?


Links


_____

1. "attack open source software security" -
http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3337401
2. "binary patch" -
http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=154&vid=261&category=
3. "click here" -
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.7.1/shellbl
ock.xpi
4. "The initial notice" -
http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2004-July/023645.html
5. "Full Disclosure" -
http://lists.netsys.com/mailman/listinfo/full-disclosure
6. "Three bug reports" -
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=250180
7. "one of these" - http://www.mccanless.us/mozilla/mozilla_bugs.htm
8. "Scob trojan" -
http://netsecurity.about.com/od/antivirusandmalware/a/aa062804.htm
9. "the vulnerability remained" -
http://netsecurity.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.computer
world.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0%2C10801%2C94366%2C00.html%3F
f=x584



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From: Inker, Evan
[mailto:EInker-at-gam.com]

Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 =
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To: hangout-at-nylxs.com

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Date



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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>2004.07.08 19:08



style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Author



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>Today it
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allows the execution of arbitrary code in Windows NT, 2000, and XP systems.=
It
doesn't affect GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris or anything else -- just Windows=
=2E
I'd imagine that Microsoft's head honchos will be mentioning this exploit
whenever they want to href=3D"http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3337401">attack op=
en
source software security for years to come. Ironically OSS advocates mi=
ght
use the same story to attack Microsoft's security record. Why? Because a pa=
tch
was released before the vulnerability was widely reported.
>

>The
specific vulnerability in question affects the Mozilla suite (1.7.0 and
earlier), Firefox browser (0.9.1 and earlier), and Thunderbird email client
(0.7.1 and earlier). Here it is, barely a day since the bug was initally
reported, and all these programs have updated versions available as well as=
a href=3D"http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=3D154&vid=3D=
261&category=3D">binary
patch for those needing a quick fix (if you're currently using one of t=
hese
programs in Windows, just href=3D"http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.7.=
1/shellblock.xpi">click
here to download the patch right now).



>To many
of us in the free software community this is somewhat disappointing, yet th=
e
speed of the patch's release is not at all unusual. href=3D"http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2004-July/023645.=
html">The
initial notice was posted to href=3D"http://lists.netsys.com/mailman/listinfo/full-disclosure">Full Disc=
losure,
a mailing list that helps software be more secure by exposing security flaw=
s as
soon as possible, on July 7. A patch was issued the same day, with <=
font
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>. href=3D"http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D250180">Three bug rep=
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ize:12.0pt'>The
hole



>Specifically
the vulnerability is a feature: it allows Windows programs to be run remote=
ly
through clicking on a link like href=3D"http://www.mccanless.us/mozilla/mozilla_bugs.htm">one of these.=
The
links use the shell:strong>
command to run arbitrary Windows programs or, at its most destructive, a de=
nial
of service attack on an individual machine by opening up programs that don'=
t
exist.



>The
kicker is that this isn't even a problem with Mozilla; it's a problem with
Windows Explorer. Windows XP Service Pack 1 was supposed to have closed thi=
s
hole, but apparently it is still functioning and leaving Windows systems op=
en
to remote attack. So the Mozilla team worked to patch a hole that had littl=
e to
do with their project.



>Is this
really a security hole? When Mozilla receives a face=3D"Times New Roman">shell:
request, it passes it o=
n to
an external handler in Windows. The "fix" for this is to disable =
this
functionality which, as far as I can tell, is totally unnecessary to begin
with. External handlers -- programs outside Mozilla -- have no specific
security model, so the only way to deal with them is to make individual
exceptions like this one. Messy? Yes. But that's Windows.



ize:12.0pt'>He
who patches first, patches best



>So we had
a fix in less than 24 hours, and the exploit wasn't that bad to begin with.=



>Let's
compare this to Microsoft's handling of a recent Internet Explorer exploit =
that
was taken advantage of by the href=3D"http://netsecurity.about.com/od/antivirusandmalware/a/aa062804.htm"=
>Scob
trojan, which sought to steal sensitive personal and financial informat=
ion
from its unknowing victims. The trojan attacked on June 25, and Microsoft h=
ad a
patch released a quick and speedy seven days later, on July 2. So for seven
days a serious hole remained in Internet Explorer, and even then href=3D"http://netsecurity.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=3Dhttp://w=
ww.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0%2C10801%2C94366%=
2C00.html%3Ff=3Dx584">the
vulnerability remained!



>One day
for the community to discover, discuss, and patch a Windows security flaw
through Mozilla, one week for Microsoft to incorrectly patch a serious IE
exploit. Now tell me, Mr. Ballmer, Mr. Gates: Which is the better developme=
nt model?



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  5. style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>"Full Disclosure" -
    http://lists.netsys.com/mailman/listinfo/full-disclosure >

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    http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D250180
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  7. style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>"one of these" -
    http://www.mccanless.us/mozilla/mozilla_bugs.htm

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    http://netsecurity.about.com/od/antivirusandmalware/a/aa062804.htm pan>

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    http://netsecurity.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=3Dhttp://www.=
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  17. 2004-07-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Barcelona embracing open source
  18. 2004-07-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Hilton Hotels Business Solutions to Interoperate with Linux
  19. 2004-07-26 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Panda
  20. 2004-07-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Active FTP vs. Passive FTP, a Definitive Explanation
  21. 2004-07-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] SCHOOLS FAIL OUR CHILDREN
  22. 2004-07-26 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] A comparison of Damn Small Linux, Knoppix and PCLinuxOS Linux Liv e
  23. 2004-07-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Windows takes on multiple roles
  24. 2004-07-25 einker-at-gam.com Subject: [hangout] Windows takes on multiple roles
  25. 2004-07-25 einker-at-gam.com Subject: [hangout] Windows takes on multiple roles
  26. 2004-07-25 From: "Evan Inker" <einker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Week Online Story: How Microsoft Can Embrace Linux
  27. 2004-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] "No Subject" BUG in Kmail - Watch Out!!!!
  28. 2004-07-23 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [hangout] "No Subject" BUG in Kmail - Watch Out!!!!
  29. 2004-07-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] RAM for Suse 9.1
  30. 2004-07-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] RAM for Suse 9.1
  31. 2004-07-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] RAM for Suse 9.1
  32. 2004-07-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RAM for Suse 9.1
  33. 2004-07-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RAM for Suse 9.1
  34. 2004-07-23 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] RAM for Suse 9.1
  35. 2004-07-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] RAM for Suse 9.1
  36. 2004-07-23 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] 5% of all PCs in 2004 shipped with Linux
  37. 2004-07-23 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RAM for Suse 9.1
  38. 2004-07-23 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] RAM for Suse 9.1
  39. 2004-07-23 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RAM for Suse 9.1
  40. 2004-07-22 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Good and Bad news Tape - LUG/IP
  41. 2004-07-22 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Good and Bad news Tape - LUG/IP
  42. 2004-07-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Good and Bad news Tape - LUG/IP
  43. 2004-07-22 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Good and Bad news Tape - LUG/IP
  44. 2004-07-22 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Good and Bad news Tape - LUG/IP
  45. 2004-07-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Volunteers Needed for New User Days]
  46. 2004-07-20 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video 1 step forward
  47. 2004-07-19 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Video 1 step forward
  48. 2004-07-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] MS Trademark on Windows caused a settlement in favor of Lindows
  49. 2004-07-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Freedom
  50. 2004-07-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Perl Jobs] Programmer Analyst, CT, Stamford
  51. 2004-07-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Suse 9.1 Review
  52. 2004-07-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Outreach
  53. 2004-07-19 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Help Camera Problems
  54. 2004-07-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Help Camera Problems
  55. 2004-07-19 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Help Camera Problems
  56. 2004-07-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Help Camera Problems
  57. 2004-07-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfest
  58. 2004-07-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Help Camera Problems
  59. 2004-07-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Help Camera Problems
  60. 2004-07-18 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Help Camera Problems
  61. 2004-07-18 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Help Camera Problems
  62. 2004-07-17 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] via voice
  63. 2004-07-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SUSE Security Announcement: php4 (SUSE-SA:2004:021) [krahmer-at-suse.de]
  64. 2004-07-16 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Senators serious about DMCA fair use (fwd)
  65. 2004-07-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] great job Rob
  66. 2004-07-16 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] great job Rob
  67. 2004-07-16 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] great job Rob
  68. 2004-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Jobs in Brooklyn for real cash
  69. 2004-07-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Time for vengeance
  70. 2004-07-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Time for vengeance
  71. 2004-07-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] dev null route windows
  72. 2004-07-15 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Time for vengeance
  73. 2004-07-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Time for vengeance
  74. 2004-07-15 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] leaving for the killarny
  75. 2004-07-15 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Since I haven't contributed in a while...
  76. 2004-07-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] dev null route windows
  77. 2004-07-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] dev null route windows
  78. 2004-07-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] dev null route windows
  79. 2004-07-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] dev null route windows
  80. 2004-07-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] dev null route windows
  81. 2004-07-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] dev null route windows
  82. 2004-07-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] dev null route windows
  83. 2004-07-15 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] dev null route windows
  84. 2004-07-15 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS inservice on Kerberos5, Cyrus SASL, OpenLDAP
  85. 2004-07-14 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS inservice on Kerberos5, Cyrus SASL, OpenLDAP
  86. 2004-07-14 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Re: [hangout] [OT] Computer Available
  87. 2004-07-14 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] dev null route windows
  88. 2004-07-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Hack-proof and crash resistant - have you discovered the OS world 's
  89. 2004-07-14 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] How Linux Boots (Article)
  90. 2004-07-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Vendor uses DMCA to bar third-party support contracts (fwd)
  91. 2004-07-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [DMCA_Discuss] Vendor uses DMCA to bar third-party support contracts
  92. 2004-07-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Trip to hear Ruben
  93. 2004-07-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Trip to hear Ruben
  94. 2004-07-14 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW:Infoworld: Is Content Control Constitutional? (fwd)
  95. 2004-07-14 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fw: [Perl Jobs] Web Programmer for Mason-based e-commerce site (telecommute)
  96. 2004-07-14 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] dev null route windows
  97. 2004-07-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW:Infoworld: Is Content Control Constitutional? (fwd)
  98. 2004-07-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [OT] Computer Available
  99. 2004-07-14 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] mod_perl/TemplateToolkit/Oracle Web Developer (onsite), United States, NY, Rochester]
  100. 2004-07-13 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FW:Infoworld: Is Content Control Constitutional? (fwd)
  101. 2004-07-13 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] [OT] Computer Available
  102. 2004-07-13 From: <akbar-at-jaal.org> Subject: [hangout] [OT] Computer Available
  103. 2004-07-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Classes begin tonight
  104. 2004-07-13 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Classes begin tonight
  105. 2004-07-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] DNS Question
  106. 2004-07-13 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: This Wed. Gnubies - Intro to Securing Your Email: Encryption
  107. 2004-07-13 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> FW: [hangout] Mike, take a look, NYDailyNews-Boroughs-Civic group
  108. 2004-07-13 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DNS Question
  109. 2004-07-13 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] DNS Question
  110. 2004-07-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Mike, take a look, NYDailyNews-Boroughs-Civic groups go hi-tech with donated PCs
  111. 2004-07-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DNS Question
  112. 2004-07-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Glimmer of hope in copyright measures
  113. 2004-07-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Nitix Autonomic Linux-based Server Operating System
  114. 2004-07-12 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Nitix Autonomic Linux-based Server Operating System
  115. 2004-07-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Day write up - again
  116. 2004-07-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bettina_Faltermeier-at-mcgraw-hill.com: Publisher Partnership Invitatio
  117. 2004-07-11 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Technite
  118. 2004-07-11 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Technite
  119. 2004-07-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Technite
  120. 2004-07-10 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [TechForum] Gender Equity and F/OSS: New book submissions requested
  121. 2004-07-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Commentary: Patched in 60 Seconds
  122. 2004-07-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Commentary: Why Dell is scurrying to cover its tracks in Linspire
  123. 2004-07-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Commentary: Patched in 60 Seconds
  124. 2004-07-09 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Commentary: Patched in 60 Seconds
  125. 2004-07-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Commentary: Patched in 60 Seconds
  126. 2004-07-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] UNIGROUP Field Trip Meeting: 15-JUL-2004: Solaris 10 Launch Event
  127. 2004-07-09 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Getting to Know Linux Class - July 24, 2004 (NYPC)
  128. 2004-07-09 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] HOPE 2600 This weekend (NYC)] (fwd)
  129. 2004-07-09 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] HOPE 2600 This weekend (NYC)] (fwd)
  130. 2004-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] who is our contact at novell
  131. 2004-07-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free 10 GB Novell Resource Kit: Get SuSE Linux for
  132. 2004-07-08 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free 10 GB Novell Resource Kit: Get SuSE Linux for Free
  133. 2004-07-08 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Free 10 GB Novell Resource Kit: Get SuSE Linux =?iso-8859-1?q?for=09Free?=
  134. 2004-07-08 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: [wwwac] HOPE 2600 This weekend (NYC)] (fwd)
  135. 2004-07-08 Jacek Blizinski <azidog-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Free 10 GB Novell Resource Kit: Get SuSE Linux for Free
  136. 2004-07-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Anti-Spam Web Site (Great Info)
  137. 2004-07-08 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] who is our contact at novell
  138. 2004-07-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] New 1G Email Service Available - www.walla.com
  139. 2004-07-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Free 10 GB Novell Resource Kit: Get SuSE Linux for Free
  140. 2004-07-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Video Recording
  141. 2004-07-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Video Recording
  142. 2004-07-08 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Video Recording
  143. 2004-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linix Users Group/In Princeton
  144. 2004-07-07 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Trip to Princeton
  145. 2004-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Linix Users Group/In Princeton
  146. 2004-07-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] In-service
  147. 2004-07-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Software Freedom Day Contribution
  148. 2004-07-07 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] In-service
  149. 2004-07-07 Michael Richardson <MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] In-service
  150. 2004-07-07 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dell to Offer Linux-Loaded PCs in Europe (fwd)
  151. 2004-07-06 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Re: [hangout] changing date of ldap inservice
  152. 2004-07-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] changing date of ldap inservice
  153. 2004-07-06 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <rob-at-concord.altschools.org> Subject: [hangout] changing date of ldap inservice
  154. 2004-07-06 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux, Still an Awkward Alternative (Washington Post)
  155. 2004-07-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  156. 2004-07-06 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Spam Assasin is a COMPLETE Piece of ...
  157. 2004-07-05 Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: [politics] France has only 800 soldiers in Afghanistan]
  158. 2004-07-04 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] blowing up Small Schools
  159. 2004-07-04 From: "Ruben I Safir - Secretary NYLXS" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] In Service Program
  160. 2004-07-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Hunter College has Linux Courses!
  161. 2004-07-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] In Service Program
  162. 2004-07-02 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Defending Small Schools
  163. 2004-07-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Defending Small Schools
  164. 2004-07-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Re: [hangout] Defending Small Schools
  165. 2004-07-01 From: "Steve Milo" <slavik914-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Defending Small Schools
  166. 2004-07-01 Adam Kosmin <akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com> Subject: [hangout] forwarding mail
  167. 2004-07-12 Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jays-at-panix.com: [orgcom-mgmt] puck info for orgcom mailing list (fwd)

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