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DATE 2023-05-14
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) Re: Human & ape evolution
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On Saturday, 13 May 2023 at 02:03:13 UTC+3, marc verhaegen wrote:
> me:
> > > > > > > 4 frequent paleo-anthropological prejudices, with 0 evidence:
> > > > > > > Many PAs still *assume* that human ancestors
> > > > > > > 1) became bipedal when we left the trees for the gound??
> > > > > > > 2) came Out-of-Africa (OoA)??
> > > > > > > 3) were savanna-dwellers???
>
> somebody uninformed:
> > > > > > That is not that popular hypothesis. You typically use it as straw man.
> > > > > > Found remains show indications that our ancestors were still well
> > > > > > adapted to climbing trees, even after they had begun to walk upright.
>
> me:
> > > > > of course:
> > > > > https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
>
> imbecile:
> > > > You *are* parroting there groundless H.P. Lowecraft fan-fiction by from two human generations ago. Back then it
> > > > was "purely hypothetical" because of gap in fossil record and methods for
> > > > sequencing genes were still under development. Right now it is clearly kook
> > > > theory that is contradicting with all our evidence. ...
>
Yes you are simply parroting there what Alister Hardy and Elaine Morgan wrote.
They were refuted by new finds and genetic analysis, you simply run from it.

> :-DDD *your* evidence!! :-DDD
>
> same imbecile:
> > It started from African woodland apes. We see Pre-Oldowan woodland ape
> > tools in Africa from 3.3 mya.
> "we"see?? :-DDD
>
Oh yes, even liar like you can't deny that both of us see the publications. So we see
and you wiggle.

> Even if so, my little little boy, never heard of chimp tool use??
>
Sure it was closer to apes, like I said, and like also time tells. It was smarter than chimp.
There we have pre-Oldovan stone tools manfactured. Chimps manufacture wooden
tools sometimes.

Let me restore what you run from:
Oldowan tools (and butchered hippos) in Africa from 2.9 mya. Oldowan
tools elsewhere are all after 2 mya so some homo spread out with those.
The later Acheulean tools we see similarly starting from 1.76 mya East
Africa and then spreading to elsewhere slowly between 1.5 mya to 0.8
mya.
So all Mode I and Mode II "technology" came from Africa and spread slowly
elsewhere. Also everything indicates that inventors preferred eating medium
to large game to harvesting seashores.

African Oldowan tools we find on Java
1.8 mya, carried by h.erectus, descendant of African woodland apes more
than million years after Africans butchered hippos with tools of that type.
But at that time Africans started to switch to Acheulean tools.

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  95. 2023-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Blue Ribbon Panel
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  97. 2023-05-29 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #618 - Conference Season?
  98. 2023-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: One Year MBA in HC,
  99. 2023-05-31 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Weaponing the Justice system continues | |
  100. 2023-05-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Weaponing the Justice system continues | |
  101. 2023-05-31 From: "Chaim Desser" <info-at-poelgroupstaffing.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] current positions to fill

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