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DATE 2023-05-14
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Op dinsdag 9 mei 2023 om 03:11:45 UTC+2 schreef Peter Nyikos:
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 2:44:07=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, marc verhaegen wro=
te:=20
> > troll:=20

> I'm ashamed of you, Marc, calling a Mr. Tiib a "troll"

I have no idea who this "Tiib" is, Peter, but everybody who believes his Pl=
io-Pleist.ancestors ran after antelopes over Afr.savannas is a *ridiculous*=
troll: we'll (should) know that our Pliocene ancestors weren't even in Afr=
ica:
- "Evolution of type C viral genes: evidence for an Asian Origin of Man" RE=
Benveniste & GJ Todaro 1976 Nature=C2=A0261:101-8 org/10.1038/261101a0
- "Lineage-specific expansions of retroviral insertions within the genomes =
of African great apes, but not humans and orangutans" CT Yohn cs 2005 PLoS =
Biol.3:e110 10.1371/journal.pbio.0030110=20

Obviously, australopiths were fossil relatives of Pan & Gorilla, NOT of us:=
=20
fossil hunters find everywhere lots of ape ancestors, but mysteriously in P=
liocene Africa they only find "human ancestors"... :-DDD Don't they reali=
ze how ridiculously afro+anthropo-centric they are?? (but yes, who prefers=
to find an ape ancestor rather than a human ancestor...)
Whenever these fossil hunters discern a humanlike feature in *their* fossil=
(usu."bipedality"), they say they've found a "human anestor", not realizin=
g that *all* Hominoidea had BP ancestors (Mio-Pliocene), not for running af=
ter antelopes, of course, but simply for wading upright + climbing arms ove=
rhead in swamp forests, as all great apes still do occasionally (in spite o=
f Pleist.coolings?), google e.g. "bonobo wading" illustrations.

How is it possible that there are still idiots who believe that we got flat=
ter feet + short toes & poor olfaction (!!) & external noses & huge brains =
& stone tools to hunt on Afr.savannas, sweating abundantly water+sodium, ru=
nning 3x slower than antelopes?!?=20
We'll (should) know that the Homo-Pan LCA c 5 Ma lived in swamp forests (go=
ogle "aquarboreal"), frequently wading bipedally & climbing vertically (arm=
s overhead) in the branches above the water, most likely in coastal forests=
along the Gulf of Aden, google "WHATtalk verhaegen"):
- Pan followed the E.Afr.coasts, e.g. Au.africanus->robustus->naledi etc. (=
google "naledi verhaegen"),
- Pliocene Homo followed the S.Asian coasts, e.g. H.erectus early-Pleistoce=
ne, see my book, google e.g. "gondwanatalks verhaegen".

______


in a post where=20
> he is acting in a perfectly reasonable fashion.=20
> He said the following to JTEM, and the behavior he describes is=20
> all too typical of JTEM:
> > > > > Try to have conversation some time instead of that snipping and=
=20
> > > > > then replying with imbecile noise for to run from actual argument=
s.=20
> >=20
> > > > "actual arguments"??? :-DDD
> Your loyalty to JTEM is badly misplaced here.
> > troll:=20
> > > I explained that we need fossils for to know location, ...=20
> >=20
> > No, troll, we don't:
> Yes, Marc, we do, until you post a tremendous array of studies=20
> of the environment of Asia and Africa explaining=20
> how the comparative anatomy of animals millions of years=20
> in the future is foreshadowed by differences in the paleoenvironment=20
> of those huge continents. Or ten million years in the future, where DNA i=
s concerned.

> > never heard of comparative biology?? anatomy? DNA? physiology? ...?=20
> > https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-=
upright-walking-in-early-humans/

> Is this your idea of a joke? Can you tell me where in this oft-regurgitat=
ed article of yours=20
> any relevance is explained of these things to the Africa v. Asia dispute?=
=20
>=20
> ANYWHERE AT ALL?=20
>=20
> Before you answer, take a look at the following excerpt from the article =
you linked:=20
>=20
> "The most intense phase would have occurred later, probably in the early =
to middle Pleistocene (1.8 to 0.126 Ma), according to Marc Verhaegen. There=
fore, Waterside Hypothesis is a more appropriate name."=20
>=20
> This seems to badly undermine your assertion.=20
>=20
>=20
> When I first saw you here in s.b.p. in March, I was very glad, because th=
ere had been=20
> little activity here at the time you joined, and my scanty memories from=
=20
> s.a.p. of you over the years had been favorable. But now I am coming=20
> to think that you are making s.b.p. a worse place than before, and=20
> it would be better for everyone if you confined yourself to sci.anthropol=
ogy.paleo=20
> for the rest of 2023.=20
>=20
>=20
> Peter Nyikos=20
> Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--=20
> University of South Carolina=20
> http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos
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  82. 2023-05-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) Re: Human & ape evolution
  83. 2023-05-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) Re: Human & ape evolution
  84. 2023-05-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) Re: Human & ape evolution
  85. 2023-05-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) Re: Human & ape evolution
  86. 2023-05-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) Re: Human & ape evolution
  87. 2023-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: why bash in $0 ?
  88. 2023-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Re: why bash in $0 ?
  89. 2023-05-15 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #616 - Camel in India
  90. 2023-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] WSJ Legal Notices
  91. 2023-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] OK - We are here.... Thank You COVID
  92. 2023-05-15 From: "American Numismatic Society" <membership-at-numismatics.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?This_week_at_the_ANS=E2=80=94May_19?=
  93. 2023-05-27 Joel Brobecker <brobecker-at-adacore.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GDB 13.2 released!
  94. 2023-05-26 From: "American Numismatic Society" <membership-at-numismatics.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Join us for today's Long Table with David
  95. 2023-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Blue Ribbon Panel
  96. 2023-05-29 From: "American Numismatic Society" <membership-at-numismatics.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?This_week_at_the_ANS=E2=80=94June_2?=
  97. 2023-05-29 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #618 - Conference Season?
  98. 2023-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: One Year MBA in HC,
  99. 2023-05-31 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Weaponing the Justice system continues | |
  100. 2023-05-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Weaponing the Justice system continues | |
  101. 2023-05-31 From: "Chaim Desser" <info-at-poelgroupstaffing.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] current positions to fill

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