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DATE 2023-05-14
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SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) Re: Human & ape evolution
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John Harshman wrote:

> The obvious
> question, which you ask, is whether any African primates, in addition to
> humans, also lack this particular sort of insertion.

Not really.

Obviously the further you get away from humans, the less they matter.

> There's no
> particular reason why every African species should have experienced the
> exact same set of infections.

It's also obfuscation, because it has nothing to do with the question here,
which has to do with why there is one specific species, the one that gave
rise to us which does not show any evidence for it.

> In particular, if chimps and gorillas both
> experienced a wave of independent PTERV1 insertions while humans did
> not, this is not good evidence that humans originated in Asia

That's a lie. It *Is* evidence. Your value judgments are worthless.

Evidence is evidence. Period.

Humans are extremely close to Chimps RIGHT NOW, this retrovirus would
have burned through africa when our ancestors were three or four million
years CLOSER to Chimps than the present.

There is every reason to assume that our ancestors would be just as
vulnerable to this retrovirus as Chimps.

Again: They place the 3 to 4 million years closer to the LCA than we
are, and we can and do exchange viruses...

> unless one
> shows

It doesn't work that way. There is no default assumption that Africa had
to be the point of origin. The retrovirus evidence points to Asia and
quite frankly you have absolutely no counter. Instead, you bluster, demand
that other people provide you with different evidence. But this is the
evidence and there is no counter evidence.

It's not "Six of one, half dozen of the other."

This retrovirus evidence is evidence, and you literally have no counter.





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