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DATE 2023-05-14
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) Re: Human & ape evolution
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John Harshman wrote:

> > Obviously the further you get away from humans, the less they matter.

> That's in no way obvious.

That is a lie.

> Is there one specific species only?

That gave rise to humans? In this context, yes. absolutely.

> > That's a lie. It *Is* evidence. Your value judgments are worthless.
> >
> > Evidence is evidence. Period.

> Not true.

No. You're lying. We have evidence for an Asian origins of Homo:

The retrovirus evidence.

It exists. It's real. You have no counter.

> Evidence can have many degrees of quality.

You have nothing to counter it. Nothing.

> > Humans are extremely close to Chimps RIGHT NOW, this retrovirus would
> > have burned through africa when our ancestors were three or four million
> > years CLOSER to Chimps than the present.

> That's an assertion without supporting evidence

No it's not. It's the furthest thing from unsupported. The retrovirus
event is currently placed back 3 to 4 million years ago. So erase the
last 3 to 4 million years of divergence. We were THAT much closer to
Chimps back then.

> Note
> that chimps and gorillas gained their virus families independently, so
> the closeness of chimps and humans is not very relevant.

Chimps and humans are closer than are Chimps and Gorillas.

Again, this is NOT a "Six of one, half dozen of the other" situation.

> > It doesn't work that way. There is no default assumption that Africa had
> > to be the point of origin. The retrovirus evidence points to Asia and
> > quite frankly you have absolutely no counter. Instead, you bluster, demand
> > that other people provide you with different evidence. But this is the
> > evidence and there is no counter evidence.

> It's extremely weak evidence.

"Extremely weak" is a pathetic attempt at you to attach a value to the
evidence. It's SUBJECTIVE. What is objectively true, on the other hand,
is that it is evidence.

> It would be strong evidence only if we

It's strong evidence with no counter.

> It's not that there's a default assumption; it's that there are two
> hypotheses that need to be differentiated.

We have supporting evidence for Out of Asia in the retrovirus.

> > This retrovirus evidence is evidence, and you literally have no counter.

> It's evidence, true.

It's objectively true. Your value judgments are not.

You have no counter.





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