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MESSAGE
DATE 2002-10-01
FROM Ruben I Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Fair Use and Property Rights in the digital age

There are just a couple of mistatements made by Alex that an unsuspecting individual might be left with a misconception about. So I felt, in lew of Peter's earlier request to get some specific citings, that these misconceptions needed to be covered for the good of the reader who might become confused about current law, and copyright, and digital rights.

First, let me say that we need to break this issue into thre categories of topics which often get mixed together, further creating confussion for computer users, and people in general in regards to public policy and current legal standards.

First, Copyright Common Law is based on the US Constitution, and prior to this, Brittish CommonLaw based on the Queen Annes Statute. The force of these legal priniciples determine the greatest number of court cases. Congress, in construction of Copyright Law, has always had to deal with these common law atributes to copyright in their entirely since they by and large are rulings which determine the legality of Copyright assertions and their negitive impact on Constitional Rights under US Law.

Therefore, Congress could never just sweep away past court rulings based on Constitutional guarantees, and in fact would need to define room for fair use or the law wouldn't stand Judicial review.

In this regard, we should also note that legally, the "Fair Use" Doctrin, in the strict legal sense, is only a defense in court against Copyright infraction cases. It's has not previously been considered an inalienable right any more that Copyright itself is. The current legal doctrin is, therefore, that fair use is an exception to copyright.



Secondly, there is statutory copyright, which is the section 107 under the code, plus other regulations such as the DMCA. The statute under 107, in regards to fair use is puposefully ambigious, and was ment to be so.

Quoting http://www.umi.com/hp/Support/DExplorer/copyrght/Part2.html

"If copyright were merely a set of rights belonging exclusively to authors, we would have to seek permission for every use. Instead, the law also grants a right of "fair use" to the public. Fair use is both a privilege and source of confusion. Disagreements about fair use are commonplace, and no one has a definitive, legally binding "answer." Congress deliberately created an ambiguous fair-use statute that gives no exact parameters-fair use depends on the circumstances of each case.

The law offers four factors to evaluate and to balance: (1) the purpose of the use, including a non-profit educational purpose; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount of the copying; and (4) the effect of the copying on the potential market for, or value of, the original work.[4] In applying these factors, most of us generally would agree that most short quotations from published works in a scholarly dissertation are fair use. Reproducing the full text of an article or other work-even in a scholarly publication-may not be "fair." These examples are relatively easy to grasp, but difficult questions surround more complex cases-the longer quotations, or the uses of distinctive materials, such as standardized survey instruments, questionnaires, videotapes, or computer software.[5]"



At no time has fair use, which predates section 107 by about 2 centuries, been restricted to the letter of section 107. Alex claimed this to be the case. This is completely untrue. The courts have repeatedly run roughshod over section 107 in regards to both fair use exemptions and copyright restrictions. This has only added to the confussion of the fair use doctrine. For examples of areas which the courts have ruled in favor of fair use outside the scope of section 107, see Meeropol v. Nizer, 560 F.2d 1061 (2d Cir. 1977), cert. denied, 434 U.S. 1013 (1978); Rosemont Enterprises, Inc. v. Random House, Inc., 366 F.2d 303 (2d Cir. 1966), cert. denied,, 385 U.S. 1009 (1967),

In fact, in the famous JD Salinger case, the opinion of the court included this little gem of an opinion, which deals with 1st ammendment rights in regards to copyright. In of itself, current 'fair use' doctrine does NOT take into account the Billof Right guarantees. But when it is considered, we get opinions such as this:


http://www.cjr.org/year/94/1/fair.asp

"Interestingly, one of the loudest calls for legal challenges to the status quo has come from one of its architects.
Judge Jon O. Newman, who sits on the federal U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, wrote the court's Salinger
decision but took a different tack a couple of years later in a law review article on the subject.

Newman called on publishers and their attorneys to "avoid the dangers of unwarranted self-censorship" by
taking an aggressive stand in cases alleging copyright infringement. "Publishers," he urged, "should be willing
in selective instances to dig in their heels and litigate." "

Also what is interesting in this review is that evidently, the 'Fair Use Doctrune" in so ingrained in the legal system, that even articles NOT UNDER COPYRIGHT, never published and owned lock stock and barrel by the auther, can fall under fair use.



In regard to any clarity at all to the question of copying through the issue of "Fair Use", the doctrine is a complete mess. Or as Peter Jaszi, law professor at American University and an adviser on copyright issues to the Library of Congress said, "No one is entirely sure," if anyone can copy anything. But one thig is certain, the courts have never felt bound to Section 107, accept as a guild line, and the Sony Betamax case clearly demonstrates that courts give rights to users to make personal copies other than 'exclussive rights of the copyright owner'. And they do this on the highest level of Judicial review. Congressman Frank Berman clearly stated at the HR 5511 hearings that nobody would suggest that anyone couldn't make a copy for someone and give it to them. He swore that nobody is saying that. And he is for breaking into individual' computers to protect copyrighted works.

That leads us to third Area concerning Copyright and Fair Use, which is policy and legistlative agenda. This question, as well as NON FAIR USE questions in regard to copyright is where we mostly get into disagreements. What ever fair use is or isn't, there is no denying any longer that the questions of copyright control has now forced itself directly onto the 4th, 5th and 1st ammendments in a fashion can no longer be denied.

While we can get into a theoretcial question in regard to copying copyrighted works, no one ever claimed that anyone can enter your home and steal your blank tapes, plain paper and pens. This would be considered a clear violation of individuals private property and is beyond the scope, in all court cases, or copyright. Furthermore, the supposition on the part of Alex that libraries are legal only because they have fair use exemptions under 107 is laughable, except that I think he's serious. Libraries are protected under freedom to assemble, freedom of speach, state's rights, and private property. Congress would not be able to create or pass any laws which would make libraries illegal, any more than they can pass a law making public education illegal, or radio stations illegal, or museums. Libraries are just legal, period, under the 1st ammendment, and the right to assemble. They are also the supposed benficor of the Copyright law whose main purpsoe is to fill libraries with published works. Congress could not pass any law which would end libraries, let alone privately held archives. But just for fun see this:

Quality King
Distributors, Inc. v. L'Anza Research Int'l, Inc., no. 96-1470 (Mar. 8,
1998). (c) The Court rejects L'anza's argument that Sect. 602(a), and
particularly its exceptions, are superfluous if limited by the
first sale doctrine. The short answer is that this argument does
not adequately explain why the words "under [Sect.] 106" appear
in Sect. 602(a). Moreover, there are several flaws in L'anza's
reasoning that, because Sect. 602(b) already prohibits the
importation of unauthorized or "piratical" copies, Sect. 602(a)
must cover nonpiratical ("lawfully made") copies sold by the
copyright owner.

Gee - once it's sold, you mean it's sold?

And therefore you can lend it to somebody else....


The third problem is that we discuss Fair Use very loosly and forget we are discussing legistlative policy and our agenda.

Yes - it's pretty clear that the Supreme Court has approved Video Tapes for Time Shifting. But Time Shifting is not mentioned in Section 107. It completely comes out common law and is extrapulated by two factors which have nothing to do with 'Fair Use' as defined under Section 107. It comes from the basic prinicple of American Law, etched into the Constitution, that ALL WORKS are owned by the public and ALL COPYRIGHT ISSUES are subjected to the basic principles of our Bill of Rights. And this is where the battle is. We can talk about Copyright Law all we want, and the Bern Convention and the WIPO agreement, but they can not be exchanged for the soverveirng law of the US Constition and the Bill of Rights.

Both Congress and the Courts make very short work of the entire Copyright Statute when it chooes to because it is LIMTED, not by fair use, but by Constitutional Constraints.

Hence, in the Texico Case, The case turned, not because a single researcher made some peronal copies, but the case was turned because damn copies weren't guininely personal, but was for the profit motiviation of the Company, which they made a lot of money on, as the facts disclosed. By emphasising the commercial nature of the copying for the persuit of business, a very rich one at that, it reckonizes that a Average Joe, for his own personel education, knowledge, what have you, could have made that copy without violation, NO PROBLEM.

NY Fair Use's position is not that Fair Use, as an exception to
copyright, is the legal basis for copying in the home and sharing
of files, which despite 107 is widely accepted in the courts ie: The
Texico Case, and in Congress: IE: Comments at the DMCA hearings
and at the HR 5211 Hearings, with the betamax case, etc etc etc

But what we're saying is that legally today these rights are
exclussively, more exclussively that even Copyright, retained by the
public through it's rights under the 5th and 4th Ammendments. It
can be NO OTHER WAY. Furthermore, NY Fair Use's position is that the
change in techology today is such that issues which were not in focus
in regard to copyright and the publics right to private property, are in
clear focus today. We would need to suspend the Constitution, strip
everyone of their legal right to private ownership of information media,
and prevent their freedom of speach to boot, in order to enforce
Copyright Law under 107 strictly on the digital plane.

In addition, even if we agreed that exclussive Monopoly was the Alex
Pilotsoft version, one not supported by the courts as demonstrated
above, you would still have the overwhelming problem of DUE PROCESS,
WARANTS and the prinicple of Innocent Until Proven Guilty. Therefore, we
proposed a Fair Use Bill to protect the public from a digital tyrany
worthy of George Orwell. We want a Bill which shifts the burden of proof
squarely on the copyright holder to prove that a violation is not ONLY not a
proivsion under fair use and Section 107, but that it also doesn't
infringe on the property rights of the individual citizen. In this regard
individuals are given a clear protection under the law. they have ownership
of property, even copies of copyrighted works, which they can share with
others in the course of their normal, non-commercial activities.
And finally, we want to clearify the 'fair use' law to legistlatively change
it from an exception to copyright, to what it truely is under common law
and common SENSE.

We want the law changed so that Fair Use is derived from the Bill of Rights,
and for Congress to say clearly that Copyright is an exception to Fair Use.


This is, after all, what the public MEANS when it says 'Fair Use'. This
was even what Congressman Weiner ment when he was talking to me about
fair use, and he isn't even aware that Alex, Hillary Rosen and Jack Valenti
use this term to mean something completely different...more in line with
section 107 (and 108 btw).


Ruben




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  1. 2002-10-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use and Property Rights in the digital age
  2. 2002-10-01 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: DC 7/17: Advocates Meeting with DOC
  3. 2002-10-01 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: DC 7/17: Advocates Meeting with DOC
  4. 2002-10-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Fwd: RE: [hangout] Congressional Letter to Send to Weiners Office [rub en-at-mrbrklyn.com] [Lamar.Robertson-at-mail.house.gov]
  5. 2002-10-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] So where are we at with the Journal at this point?
  6. 2002-10-02 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity
  7. 2002-10-02 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: My speaking in DC
  8. 2002-10-02 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Cgi Search
  9. 2002-10-02 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] fair use bill
  10. 2002-10-02 Brendan Tween <btween-at-cossettepost.com> RE: [hangout] fair use bill
  11. 2002-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Cgi Search
  12. 2002-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Europe for Fun and Pleasure
  13. 2002-10-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Europe for Fun and Pleasure
  14. 2002-10-02 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Europe for Fun and Pleasure
  15. 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Business Funding
  16. 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Other CUNY Demo Stuff
  17. 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Coast to Coast Fame
  18. 2002-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: My speaking in DC
  19. 2002-10-04 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] World's First Review of Red Hat 8.0-Psyche
  20. 2002-10-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Digital Rights bills
  21. 2002-10-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Digital Rights bills
  22. 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Fiction is almost as strange as truth -- from th e Onion
  23. 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] this mailing list
  24. 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: hylafax (SuSE-SA:2002:035)]
  25. 2002-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [thomas-at-suse.de: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: mod_php4 (SuSE-SA:2002:036)]
  26. 2002-10-07 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Flyer from last Demo
  27. 2002-10-07 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] this mailing list
  28. 2002-10-06 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] audio PC
  29. 2002-10-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Digital Rights bills
  30. 2002-10-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylug-talk] [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity
  31. 2002-10-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Digital Rights bills
  32. 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  33. 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  34. 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  35. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  36. 2002-10-08 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  37. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  38. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: La Guardia Demo Status: volunteering: publicity
  39. 2002-10-08 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: La Guardia Demo Status: volunteering: publicity
  40. 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] FreeVo
  41. 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] FreeVo
  42. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] September Journal
  43. 2002-10-08 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  44. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] XP and Samba
  45. 2002-10-08 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Accents and other diacritical marks
  46. 2002-10-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Accents and other diacritiical marks
  47. 2002-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Fiction is almost as strange as truth -- from th e Onion
  48. 2002-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [nylug-talk] [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity
  49. 2002-10-08 From: "Miguel E. Jimenez" <mej-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Accents and other diacritical marks
  50. 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  51. 2002-10-08 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
  52. 2002-10-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] demo publicity
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  54. 2002-10-08 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [nylug-talk] [hangout] La Guardia Demo Status: We MUST HAVE volunteers to work on publicity
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  56. 2002-10-03 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Berman spreading more fud through Findlaw.
  57. 2002-10-11 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Home Theater Links
  58. 2002-10-11 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> RE: [hangout] Hardware Source
  59. 2002-10-11 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  60. 2002-10-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  61. 2002-10-11 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS.org
  62. 2002-10-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> RE: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  63. 2002-10-11 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] cd burning
  64. 2002-10-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] videoing demo
  65. 2002-10-11 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] videoing demo
  66. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] India moving to Linux
  67. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Hardware Source
  68. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  69. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  70. 2002-10-11 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] anti DRM arguments
  71. 2002-10-11 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Hardware Source
  72. 2002-10-11 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] Re: the schedule of the demo
  73. 2002-10-11 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  74. 2002-10-11 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Enterprise Linux Event - Dec 03-04, 2002 Boston Mass.
  75. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bayonne at the Free Software Business Demo
  76. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting
  77. 2002-10-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting
  78. 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [notifier-at-eps.gov: FRAUDULENT LETTERS] Your Government at work
  79. 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Re: perl modules for users
  80. 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Phone
  81. 2002-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jobs-admin-at-perl.org: [Perl Jobs] Interwoven/Perl Developer, New York City (onsite), United States, NY, New York City]
  82. 2002-10-10 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Class flyers at demo
  83. 2002-10-10 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Ammo for the War on Stupidity
  84. 2002-10-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] shm
  85. 2002-10-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Save the Libraries
  86. 2002-10-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ammo for the War on Stupidity
  87. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  88. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  89. 2002-10-14 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  90. 2002-10-14 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  91. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Business Initiative/Networking This Evening]
  92. 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Fre Software Chambers of Commerce Pages up
  93. 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Much interesting news today in the Times
  94. 2002-10-13 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: Don't forget to take the images
  95. 2002-10-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Don't forget to take the images
  96. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Perl Quiz of the Week [dha-at-panix.com]
  97. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Don't forget to take the images [casandra-at-ix.netcom.com]
  98. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS 1st Aniversity
  99. 2002-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Ari Jort article for journal
  100. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] INIT problem
  101. 2002-10-12 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] There is a lesson here somewhere...
  102. 2002-10-12 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: the schedule of the demo
  103. 2002-10-11 From: "Mahesh Chhatlani" <chhatlani-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] India moving to Linux
  104. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  105. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [root-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com: [nylxs-announce] Linux Scene Calender for Today]
  106. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS - Free Software Chamber of Commerce
  107. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS - Free Software Chamber of Commerce
  108. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [syscon-at-telusplanet.net: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried?]
  109. 2002-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [syscon-at-telusplanet.net: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried?]
  110. 2002-10-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried? [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  111. 2002-10-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [SL] interesting info. Do we have to be worried? [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  112. 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  113. 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  114. 2002-10-15 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  115. 2002-10-15 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  116. 2002-10-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  117. 2002-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  118. 2002-10-15 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  119. 2002-10-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  120. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What the hell
  121. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What the hell
  122. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What the hell
  123. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What the hell
  124. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS.NET
  125. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  126. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  127. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  128. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Here is the La Guardia Flier
  129. 2002-10-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Demo Volunteers needed this Week and Next
  130. 2002-10-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  131. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free Software Chamber of Commerce - Join us
  132. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  133. 2002-10-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  134. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Report on NYLXS.org Matter
  135. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  136. 2002-10-16 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  137. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  138. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLUG Meeting tonite
  139. 2002-10-16 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  140. 2002-10-16 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  141. 2002-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  142. 2002-10-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  143. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  144. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  145. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  146. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  147. 2002-10-16 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  148. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  149. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  150. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  151. 2002-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  152. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Kmail client question
  153. 2002-10-17 Sunny Dubey <dubeys-at-bxscience.edu> Re: [hangout] Kmail client question
  154. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Kmail client question
  155. 2002-10-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  156. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  157. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  158. 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Hangout Problem Update
  159. 2002-10-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  160. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  161. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  162. 2002-10-17 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Schedule flyer for LaGuardia Demo
  163. 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  164. 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  165. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Re: hangout problem
  166. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  167. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] quick confirmation: Bloomberg terminals run on Linux?
  168. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Publicity
  169. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Publicity
  170. 2002-10-17 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  171. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  172. 2002-10-17 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  173. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What is the hangout address?
  174. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  175. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] problem with reply-to being changed, another Kmail question
  176. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity-College Student help needed
  177. 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] problem with reply-to being changed, another Kmail question
  178. 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Nov class flyers
  179. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  180. 2002-10-17 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Hangout Problem Update
  181. 2002-10-17 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  182. 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  183. 2002-10-17 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  184. 2002-10-17 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  185. 2002-10-17 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  186. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  187. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  188. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  189. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  190. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  191. 2002-10-17 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] The Class
  192. 2002-10-17 Joe Villari <joev-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] The Class
  193. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Class
  194. 2002-10-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The DMCA - Wall Street Loves it
  195. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Good News...
  196. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyer Sunday?
  197. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal
  198. 2002-10-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  199. 2002-10-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  200. 2002-10-18 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] The Class
  201. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The Class
  202. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Journal
  203. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Journal
  204. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Marco
  205. 2002-10-18 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  206. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Demo Transportation
  207. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  208. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Demo Transportation
  209. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  210. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  211. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  212. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Call for Volunteers
  213. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  214. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  215. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  216. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FSCC and usiness advocay
  217. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Buttons
  218. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] transportation
  219. 2002-10-18 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] transportation
  220. 2002-10-18 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  221. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] transportation
  222. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] fsccfortbeDemo
  223. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] transportation
  224. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  225. 2002-10-18 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  226. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] My Conversation with Brett
  227. 2002-10-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Putting up Flyer For the Demo
  228. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Good news and great news!
  229. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] F*** Wynkoop et al
  230. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  231. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  232. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Busy Week for NYLXS
  233. 2002-10-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Good news and great news!
  234. 2002-10-19 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  235. 2002-10-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  236. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: We need your bio for the Free Software Expo
  237. 2002-10-19 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] GNU Bayonne key telephone system to be exhibited next week
  238. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: GNU Bayonne key telephone system to be exhibited next week [dyfet-at-ostel.com]
  239. 2002-10-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What day for Network Meetings?
  240. 2002-10-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Followup Action to Congressman Weiner's Meeting last month
  241. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Project Management Software
  242. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Citocorp at 12 Noon
  243. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Double Cursor/Pointer with X11 V4
  244. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Free Software Expo LaGuardia College
  245. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re:Demo
  246. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [nylug-talk] Project Management Software [bingalls-at-fit-zones.com]
  247. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Wed Oct 23 GNU/Linux Business Demo - info pages
  248. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylxs-announce] NYLXS Events for Today
  249. 2002-10-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYNMA Announcement
  250. 2002-10-20 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: palladium presentation - anyone going? (fwd)
  251. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 21 October 2002 NYLXS In-Service: Billy Donahue on Joys and Perils of Programming with C and Tcl
  252. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Dot Org Pavillion in NYC
  253. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Birds of a Feather
  254. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] JOURNAL BY THE DEMO?
  255. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com]
  256. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC]
  257. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC]
  258. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com]
  259. 2002-10-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Dot Org Pavillion in NYC [Kristin_Gallo-at-idg.com]
  260. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: postgresql (SuSE-SA:2002:038) [thomas-at-suse.de]
  261. 2002-10-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Monday 21 October 2002 NYLXS In-Service: Billy Donahue on Joys and Perils of Programming with C and Tcl
  262. 2002-10-21 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  263. 2002-10-21 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  264. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paper
  265. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  266. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  267. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  268. 2002-10-21 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  269. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  270. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: GNU/Linux within the New York City School System | Was: Re: [hangout] cablevision
  271. 2002-10-21 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: LaGuardia Still the Free Software Demo Mislabeled...
  272. 2002-10-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  273. 2002-10-21 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia Still the Free Software Demo Mislabeled...
  274. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  275. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Publicity - Attention Dimitar
  276. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  277. 2002-10-21 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Publicity
  278. 2002-10-21 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  279. 2002-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [oberdorf-at-earthlink.net: ny lxs]
  280. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tonites Meeting
  281. 2002-10-22 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: GNU/Linux within the New York City School System | Was: Re: [hangout] cablevision
  282. 2002-10-22 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [nylug-talk] 15' monitors (3 of them): free!
  283. 2002-10-22 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] the demo schedule
  284. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule
  285. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule
  286. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paper
  287. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] IRC Board Meeting on Thusday Nite 8:00PM
  288. 2002-10-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule
  289. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] the demo schedule
  290. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [nylug-talk] 15' monitors (3 of them): free!
  291. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Calendar Item for NYLXS
  292. 2002-10-22 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  293. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  294. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  295. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Fair Use
  296. 2002-10-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Publicity
  297. 2002-10-22 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule
  298. 2002-10-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] the demo schedule
  299. 2002-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Set up tonite
  300. 2002-10-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Prelimnary Journal for September issue
  301. 2002-10-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Demo Today - Expect the Press
  302. 2002-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [learn] NO PERL CLASS TODAY]
  303. 2002-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Cut Credit Card Debt - No Loan !
  304. 2002-10-23 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Demo Publicity post mortem
  305. 2002-10-23 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] CUNY and Queens Business Partners
  306. 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Recent spam
  307. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] we have some competition...
  308. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] we have some competition...
  309. 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] we have some competition...
  310. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software
  311. 2002-10-23 From: "William Brent" <wbrent-at-finepoint.com> RE: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software
  312. 2002-10-23 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded soft ware
  313. 2002-10-23 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Washington State Congressman attempts to outlaw GPL
  314. 2002-10-23 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: Mac OS X under the hood class
  315. 2002-10-23 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Re: [hangout] alert- congress tries to ban gpl in fed funded software
  316. 2002-10-24 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Congratulations to all NYLXSers!
  317. 2002-10-24 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for Ruben (Whats going on with the mail list?)
  318. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Looking for Ruben (Whats going on with the mail list?)
  319. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  320. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election [Ross.Patterson-at-catchfs.com]
  321. 2002-10-24 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Band Can't Sell Own Music on EBay
  322. 2002-10-24 From: "Ruben Safir" <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Mac OS X under the hood class
  323. 2002-10-24 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  324. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  325. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  326. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Install Feast
  327. 2002-10-24 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Free speech squeezed by copyrights?
  328. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Our Second Demo/Thanks Everyone
  329. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Band Can't Sell Own Music on EBay
  330. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Free speech squeezed by copyrights?
  331. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Members addresses
  332. 2002-10-24 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Members addresses
  333. 2002-10-24 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Non profit Potential project
  334. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Non profit Potential project
  335. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Members addresses
  336. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  337. 2002-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [ Free Software Chamber of Commerce ] Network Meeting - 12 No on in Midtown
  338. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  339. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  340. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  341. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] R&M Confference Room
  342. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  343. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  344. 2002-10-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Board Meeting Tonight on IRC
  345. 2002-10-24 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] HTPC Hardware
  346. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] [nylug-job] Merck & Co. seeks RedHat Linux Administrator
  347. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  348. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: NYC Workforce Training Provider Unit Contact Information (WTPL) [cmorris-at-doe.nyc.gov]
  349. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] dd correct for copying an iso image to hard disk?
  350. 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  351. 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  352. 2002-10-31 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  353. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  354. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  355. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  356. 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  357. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  358. 2002-10-31 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  359. 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  360. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  361. 2002-10-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] More Linux PC's
  362. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] New SuSE Linux OS to run Office 2000, other Windows apps
  363. 2002-10-31 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] New SuSE Linux OS to run Office 2000, other Windows apps
  364. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Libral Arts and Computers
  365. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] user nobody
  366. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] user nobody
  367. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] Supported Distributions [draht-at-suse.de]
  368. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] user nobody
  369. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  370. 2002-10-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  371. 2002-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  372. 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux, USB and MotherBoards
  373. 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Javits Expo
  374. 2002-10-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Javits Expo
  375. 2002-10-30 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Javits Expo
  376. 2002-10-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Javits Expo
  377. 2002-10-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Javits Expo
  378. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-talk] Nerds without CS degrees unite!]
  379. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] what are the email addresses of orgs for spam and virii?
  380. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same
  381. 2002-10-29 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same
  382. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] It was supposed to make everything look the same
  383. 2002-10-29 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux World Expo
  384. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tzedik
  385. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Windows Spam Vulnerability
  386. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Schools Project
  387. 2002-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Proticals of Ziob
  388. 2002-10-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Thurday Nite?
  389. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR for Installfest
  390. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] WE NEED EDITORS
  391. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] PR for Installfest
  392. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PR for Installfest
  393. 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo Post Mortom/Board Meeting
  394. 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Video Broadcasting and KIOSKS
  395. 2002-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  396. 2002-10-28 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  397. 2002-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  398. 2002-10-28 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  399. 2002-10-28 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  400. 2002-10-28 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  401. 2002-10-28 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  402. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Invoice for Services Rendered
  403. 2002-10-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Is Microsoft Licensing Forcing Banks to Break The Law?
  404. 2002-10-28 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] HTPC hardware
  405. 2002-10-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New NY Fair Use Front Page Design
  406. 2002-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: All Day 16 November 2002 Wynn Data Limited Class: Mac OS X Under The Hood
  407. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] looking for a tech consulting group
  408. 2002-10-25 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Linux Expo at the Javitz Center
  409. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux Expo at the Javitz Center
  410. 2002-10-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] Looking for...
  411. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  412. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  413. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  414. 2002-10-25 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  415. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Looking for...
  416. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  417. 2002-10-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: NYLXS Trade mark [humphusa-at-netscape.net]
  418. 2002-10-25 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: irc issue
  419. 2002-10-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [novalug] Congress Members Oppose GPL -- Tom Davis election
  420. 2002-10-31 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Suse 8.0 disks for installfest
  421. 2002-10-31 vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] dd correct for copying an iso image to hard disk?

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